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Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« on: 24 July, 2009, 11:01:14 PM »
Well its been confirmed after Rich Johnson all but broke the news in a rather childish Mark Millaresque tease article over on his Bleeding Cool 'gossip' page earlier today its now official. Marvel have bought the rights to Miracle Man, now of course back to his original name.

Well Marvel have always wanted a classic to rival Watchmen and what more fitting way for them to get it but to buy it and get the news out with a series of cheap stunts!

Anyway lets hope they take care of them precious goods. No more news yet though Rich Johnson says he'll add more once the news was out...we'll see huh...

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #1 on: 24 July, 2009, 11:21:53 PM »
Yeah, it's pretty terrible when comics companies put out comics people can - and want to - read.

Unless your name is Todd McFarlane, isn't this good news?  Lots of people haven't read Marvel/MiracleMan, and if nothing else, it'll be nice for modern comics audiences to see where Mark Waid got some of his better ideas that didn't involve throwing furniture at people who work for him.
Actually, it's been ripped off so much now that when the collection sees print, it'll probably be derided for being so derivative in the same way that the unreleased Nirvana studio material was described as being a bit like Bush, or how the Watchmen movie ripped off Heroes.

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #2 on: 24 July, 2009, 11:26:51 PM »
He posted on it here (although the Internet didn't break the site seems to be struggling:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/07/24/marvel-to-publish-mick-anglos-marvelman-and-they-own-it/

CBR also mention it in a live update of the panel:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22203

It is good news because it is a great story but the news is hardly going to set the world on fire. Yet. It does sound like Marvel have dropped a lot of cash on this and will exploit this property as much as they can (although if they do make new comics I hope they get some serious talent in to write it or they should keep it like Watchmen - preserved for posterity). Hell it might be the first decent film based on an Alan Moore comic!!
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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #3 on: 24 July, 2009, 11:27:19 PM »
Ooh, that's good news!  I've only read snippets of Mirac- err, MarvelMan, and later bits are also probably the biggest hole in my Moore collection.  

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #4 on: 24 July, 2009, 11:30:53 PM »
Unless your name is Todd McFarlane, isn't this good news?  Lots of people haven't read Marvel/MiracleMan, and if nothing else, it'll be nice for modern comics audiences to see where Mark Waid got some of his better ideas that didn't involve throwing furniture at people who work for him.

Also it sounds like they'll be releasing the original material first and that is something that a lot of folks haven't read. Does anyone know if it is any good?
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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #5 on: 24 July, 2009, 11:37:25 PM »
It's mildly diverting, I suppose.

A bit derivative of everything from Animal Man to Kingdom Come to Astro City, though.

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #6 on: 24 July, 2009, 11:53:43 PM »
I've only read snippets of Mirac- err, MarvelMan, and later bits are also probably the biggest hole in my Moore collection.  

Exactly what I thought. Excellent news. Any comic that's so good - even by reputation - should be available to readers.

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #7 on: 25 July, 2009, 07:07:14 AM »
Yeah, it's pretty terrible when comics companies put out comics people can - and want to - read.
Oh its not the news itself that bugs me, the more people who get to read quality material like Miracle Man the better, its the way Rich Johnson broke the news and then way Marvel drove it forward as though this was going to be a world changing event. All they've done is buy the rights to a fun character its what they plan to do with it that will be the test. Surrounded in such hype and what I'm guessing is great expense they'll have a lot of pressure to make big money off this? Its how they do that that makes me a little edgy about the news itself. Not enough info though to make a judgement about that.

I don't blame Marvel for hyping things either, they're a company they need to make their product sell. However the most success they've had in doing that in years was hyping a 5 page story in a Spidey comic that was from all reports of no artist value and yet they parade they real world sales which in the long term are meaningless. Marvel very often are all style no content. They can get it right but I'll wait and see if all this silly hype (from my perspective not theirs) is worthwhile.

Its worth noting that from the limited information available they haven't agreed with all creators to reprint the existing material, though you would guess this is surely a formality now?

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #8 on: 25 July, 2009, 09:18:18 AM »
Just saw this on the FPI blog and have to hope that it will finally allow the series to see print again. The artwork from Garry Leach and Alan Davis alone is worth the preservation, but once you get to the John Totleben issues the series becomes truly epic. Fingers crossed.

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #9 on: 25 July, 2009, 01:59:56 PM »
This from Neil Gaiman's Twitter:

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Re Marvelman: I think it's great news that Mick Anglo's creations is going to be seen again, and hopeful that my work & Bucky's will be back

And this from Moore in May this year:

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PÓM: The only other thing about your previous work is, do you keep up with what’s going on with the Marvelman Miracleman debacle?

AM: Nah. I mean, other than the fact that I was happy to do everything that I could to help Mick Anglo, who is the person who has always owned all of the rights to Marvelman, as far as I now understand it, that we never had the rights to do those stories, even though Mick really liked the stories that we did. We didn’t understand at the time that Mick Anglo was the sole owner of the rights. We were misled. So I’ve done everything that I can to clear all that up. I’ve said that, they talked about the possibility – what they want is money quickly, because Mick’s a very old man, he’s got a sick wife to look after, and they could use some dosh quite quickly.

I mean, I believe that the Todd McFarlane thing, his ridiculous claims to the character have now been dropped, so it can move on. I believe that they’re going to be reprinting some of my stuff, but I’m not sure of all the details, I’ve just said, “Yeah, go ahead,” and all the money from the first book, from the first printing of the book, should go to Mick Anglo. They’ve also said that what if there’s a possibility of some animated Marvelman cartoons, and I’ve said, again, “Don’t put me name on them, and give all the money to Mick Anglo.”

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2009/05/the-mighty-moore-marathon-part-three-of-padraigs-talk-with-alan-moore/

So it looks like they are both up for letting their work be republished. I think the wrangling might be over Gaiman's last two stories, whether he is going to finish them himself or someone else will be picked to finish it.
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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #10 on: 25 July, 2009, 05:59:08 PM »
As an occasional dipper of the toe in the superheroic world of Marvel, surely the upshot of this is that the Sentry can finally be put to bed?  He was interesting for all of five minutes when Paul Jenkins ripped Alan Moore's Supreme off lock stock and barrel, but since then has been a horrendous character whose main claim to fame is that during the World War Hulk event he did absolutely nothing at great length.

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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #11 on: 25 July, 2009, 06:48:49 PM »
As an occasional dipper of the toe in the superheroic world of Marvel, surely the upshot of this is that the Sentry can finally be put to bed?  He was interesting for all of five minutes when Paul Jenkins ripped Alan Moore's Supreme off lock stock and barrel, but since then has been a horrendous character whose main claim to fame is that during the World War Hulk event he did absolutely nothing at great length.

Well while Marvel have the rights to publish Marvel Man (as we guess we'd better get used to calling him) I hope they have the good sense to keep him out of the Marvel Universe itself and keep him in his own 'universe'. Otherwise much of the great work of Moore and Giaman's stuff in particular would be undermined.


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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #12 on: 25 July, 2009, 07:28:38 PM »
As an occasional dipper of the toe in the superheroic world of Marvel, surely the upshot of this is that the Sentry can finally be put to bed?  He was interesting for all of five minutes when Paul Jenkins ripped Alan Moore's Supreme off lock stock and barrel, but since then has been a horrendous character whose main claim to fame is that during the World War Hulk event he did absolutely nothing at great length.

Well I suspect there are problems.

Marvelman isn't innovative or ground-breaking (or necessarily that interesting) - he is just a flimsy Captain Marvel rip-off. What is interesting is the story and the fictional universe and you can'r just shoehorn that into the Marvel Universe, Earth 616 anyway, - it could obviously be slotted into the Marvel Multiverse (because, technically it is part of a wider Comics Multiverse that also includes the DC Multiverse, the 2000AD Multiverse, etc.). There are some stories left to tell around the edges of the Marvelman Universe, Gaiman has a couple left to see the light of day (one is pretty much done, the other still needs the script finishing but the art is done on what is available) but beyond that it might get a bit stupid, unless someone with some serious talent comes up with a new angle. I think the best Marvel can do is finish the stories, get a fancy reprint out and leverage the property into other media (you could get a solid trilogy of films out of it).

You could get the character into the Marvel Universe through an alternate version but I suppose if they were going to do they could have him becoming bored with having created a Utopia and goes on a multiverse-spanning jihad. He could then pop into the Marvel Universe and starts making a better world and probably squeeze The Sentry's head like an orange to demonstrate how tough he is. He eventually realises that this might not be a great idea and buggers off home again having learned important lessons ;) . It could be a bit rubbish unless they get someone impressive in (like JMS) and they'd need to move him on at the end of the story because, if The Sentry proves anything, Marvel doesn't need (or apparently want) a vastly powered being, as they've spent their time hobbling The Sentry and making him into a bit of a joke.

So yes, sort out the reprints and I'll buy one, take the character further and... well we'll see. Someone might come up with something clever but unless they do then the Moore/Gaiman Marvelman is the only one I have any interest in, and personally, I don't think they can spoil that with whatever their future plans are because I won't read it unless it is really good.
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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #13 on: 25 July, 2009, 09:34:31 PM »
Alan Moore is definitely not bald.
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Re: Miracleman... sorry Marvelman
« Reply #14 on: 25 July, 2009, 10:02:25 PM »
Alan Moore is definitely not bald.

Oh come on everyone knows its a wig (including the beard!)