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Attempts at the sample scripts
« on: 19 January, 2010, 08:08:19 PM »
I thought it might be interesting to have somewhere to bring together people's goes at the sample scripts. I know it is unwise to check them out beforehand but it might be interesting to see what people have done afterwards as a comparison. The relatively limited number of scripts available should

The scripts available in the zip file here are:

  • Judge Dredd: "Cycle of Violence" - prog 1549 by Robbie Morrison and Cliff Robinson (reference pictures)
  • Future Shock: "Holed Up" prog 1249  by Richard McTighe and Cam Smith
  • Judge Dredd: "PF" - prog 1476 by John Wagner and Arthur Ranson
  • Tharg's Terror Tales: "Sorrowhill" - prog 1399 by Al Ewing and Shaun Thomas
  • Tales of Telguuth: "The Colossal Wealth of Karn Foul-Eye" - prog 1284 by Steve Moore and Stefano Cardoselli

Unfortunately the script index on Barney doesn't seem to work but there are others over there if you nose around. Now up and working again.


Previously:



See also:



There are numerous threads in this creator forum on submissions and covering other points, so have a nose through. Some important ones:


The best advice general advice is on the submission page (and the best advice is to follow the instructions):

www.2000adonline.com/submissions

If in doubt (and you can't find a thread on this topic already), start a new thread in this area asking for advice.


Reference pictures:

There are some "Cycle of Violence" ones above but some more general reference guides for Judge Dredd can't do any harm.

Steve Cook's blog often posts production snippets and he has a colouring guide to Dredd and Anderson that also gives a decent guide to Dredd's uniform:

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.com/2011/12/dredd-specs.html
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.com/2011/12/dredd-specs-2.html

As well as Anderson:

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.com/2011/11/anderson-specs.html

Which come from one of the Judge Dredd "bibles":

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,17566.0.html

The Starscans also contain useful information:

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=covers&page=scans

Front view of characters:

http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=700
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=701
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=702
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=703
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=710

As well as cutaway technical diagrams of various bits of a Judge's kit:

http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=991
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=995
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=997
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=scans&choice=998

However, don't worry too much about the fine details (as everyone draws their eagle at a different angle or the shoulder pad a different size) but the above should help most artists avoid the more basic errors, which make those looking at the images wonder if the artist has ever read a Judge Dredd comic ;)

If anyone needs any specific reference images then start a new thread in the help forum and someone will be able to sort you out with those but please be as specific as possible as if we have to try and guess what you are after it lowers the chances of a quick and easy resolution.
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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #1 on: 19 January, 2010, 08:10:41 PM »
So I'll get the ball rolling:

"Cycle of Violence" from Johnny J:
www.comicspace.com/johnny_j/comics.php?action=gallery&comic_id=25418&bl_type=3

Anyone know of any others? If you have done one then think about bunging up somewhere like ComicSpace (which makes it easy to do, as above) or DeviantArt and bung us the link, don't worry critiques won't be provided unless you specifically ask for it. ;)
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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #2 on: 19 January, 2010, 10:25:00 PM »
I remember having a bash at Cycle of Violence, and even though there wasn't any writer credit on the script, when it got to the cadet stuff where the main character is being bullied "Robbie Morrison" popped into my head.

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #3 on: 20 February, 2010, 09:48:07 PM »
I'm having a bash at Cycle of Violence, gonna submit it to Thargy baby and see if likes it enough to throw bucks at me for doing more. Never know.

Here's page 1, started on friday afternoon, probably 7-8 hours all in, maybe a bit more:


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« Reply #4 on: 20 February, 2010, 09:51:49 PM »
Man thats fantastic work!!
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« Reply #5 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:04:08 PM »
That's great Thargy baby will be gagging on it! Looking forward to seeing you in print!
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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #6 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:11:43 PM »
I'll happily contribute to this thread (giving crits/advice), if people are willing for me to do so. PLEASE say so though as I don't want to wade in and upset anyone!

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #7 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:28:21 PM »
Here's page 1, started on friday afternoon, probably 7-8 hours all in, maybe a bit more:

That's quality work. However, I have to point out the Mk1 Lawgiver ... the current model is actually a bit of a swine to draw, but if you're serious about a gig with Tharg, you'll have to draw the bugger!

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #8 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:31:43 PM »
but wasn't cycle of violins ages ago and the kid's grown up now?
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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #9 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:44:46 PM »
but wasn't cycle of violins ages ago and the kid's grown up now?

I'd forgotten that opening sequence was a flashback. I'm a muppet.

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #10 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:50:22 PM »
However ... I do have a bit of an issue with that block of three panels at the bottom. It's difficult to know what order to read them at the best of times (vertical first and then two horizontal works; two horizontal and then vertical doesn't), but you further confuse the reading order by breaking the panel borders and drawing the reader's eye into the final frame before the penultimate.

You want the reader to follow the order of the green arrows, but your layout draws the reader in the direction of the red arrows:



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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #11 on: 20 February, 2010, 10:56:05 PM »
I absolutely agree about the last 3 panels, I'll come up with a solution. The gun shot wasn't meant to be quite so angled, more straight on, but it worked well so I kept it like that. That's the reason it bust into the wrong panel too.

I'll figure it out.

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #12 on: 20 February, 2010, 11:27:04 PM »
caveat: I haven't read the script - but, I like to try and do story telling so that you don't need the script to help it along...

Well, Jim's covered the thing that was shouting out for a change, so I'll not mention it.

Like your art - nice and clean, easy to read and understand also like the inking.

Let me draw over your pic, and explain:



Panel 1: I shortened her torso - looked a little stretched to me. (I DIDN'T add her foot, which should be visible)

Panel 2: I blacked the walls, and moved stuff around, as it existed it struck me that, compositionally, a lot of attention was being focused on that table - not having read the script, that could be exactly what we're supposed to focus on - but I'm guessing not. So I blacked the walls (making the space feel tighter - like we're in a more confined area, I moved the girl to the centre (and moved the table out of the way, though, I probably should've deleted it, it's still fighting for attention. I shifted dredd so he was no longer cropped off panel (though I suspect you'd be better redrawing him to get him to fit better).

I rejigged those bottom panels - this is against the script - so DON'T DO IT - but, for the purposes of this, I wanted to show how much easier it is to read that layout in this direction rather than the other (also: went to super closeup AFTER a mid shot, not before, gives the thing more tension...)

That any use?

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #13 on: 21 February, 2010, 12:03:50 AM »
Unfortunately the script index on Barney doesn't seem to work but there are others over there if you nose around.

Logan sent me an email about this and the index has now been fixed.

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Re: Attempts at the sample scripts
« Reply #14 on: 21 February, 2010, 12:36:58 AM »
I think PJ's changes to panel 2 should probably be laid up side by side and pinned above the drawing board of every aspiring artist!

I'll confess, I'd never have thought of something as straightforward as blacking in the walls, but it focuses the reader's eye inwards so completely that it makes me want to stand up and applaud!

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