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Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« on: 29 March, 2010, 09:08:00 AM »
With thanks to Charles Stross' always excellent blog for the links, fantasy author Jim Hines surveys nearly 250 novelists to see whether their experience bears out the things everyone knows are 'true' about selling your novel"

Part One
Part Two

It makes fascinating reading.

Also linked from Stross' blog is Tobias Buckell's 2005 survey of SF and Fantasy authors' advances, from which two interesting facts emerge:

1) Agents more than pay for themselves

2) You are likely to starve to death unless you can produce three or more novels a year

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #1 on: 29 March, 2010, 02:02:55 PM »
I think there is invaluable science to be found in that article.



Given Twilight is huge right now despite being shit, it bears out the stats provided that suggest in order to successfully break into novelling, you need to be writing young adult fantasy romances four years ago.

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #2 on: 29 March, 2010, 02:05:55 PM »
To be honest, I thought the most interesting thing was that about half the authors had no "inside" connection and made their first sale or got their first agent through the slush pile, a route which common "wisdom" holds to be worse than useless.

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #3 on: 29 March, 2010, 04:06:28 PM »
Given Twilight is huge right now despite being shit, it bears out the stats provided that suggest in order to successfully break into novelling, you need to be writing young adult fantasy romances four years ago.

Given the stats I'd go further: you need to write an urban science fantasy young adult romance (although when it comes to romance I prefer this), four years ago (although the publication date data is going to be a moving wall heavily skewed to more recent years, so start right now on your epic).

With that in mind it should be easy enough to come up with something... So I give you a story under the working title Young Gods (after the Swiss industrial band, a chapter will then have to be named "Skinflowers", in fact I wonder if you could name all the chapters after their songs?), while keeping an option open on Teen Dieties  - an 18 year girl steps "off the map" and finds herself in a strange and unfamiliar part of town, where she meets a lovely young man who she falls in love with. Unfortunately his parents disapprove and things get dangerous when it turns out they are all gods and this gets ratcheted up a notch as the Dark Gods are due to return any time (might want to throw in her heart being torn between two lads, one of which turns out to be a Dark God). Spin that bad boy out for a trilogy ending with Armageddon where the fate of the world rests in her hands.

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Oh and the twist is they aren't gods but aliens and it might just be the Good Gods (or "Oh my Gods") are the giant space bastards and the Dark Gods more akin to freedom fighters.
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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #4 on: 29 March, 2010, 04:12:16 PM »
Off you go then ;)

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #5 on: 29 March, 2010, 07:00:32 PM »
"Tween- wolf" i feel my task is done here...

 ;)

Damn I guess there's no room for a real hard hitting noir novel like my "Giant ass hotties do Las Vegas."

I'll change it to "Dragon slaying vampire dude and the giant ass hotties."

A winner! My pullitzer awaits...
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« Reply #6 on: 29 March, 2010, 07:47:32 PM »
With that in mind it should be easy enough to come up with something... So I give you a story under the working title Young Gods (after the Swiss industril band, a chapter will then have to be named "Skinflowers", in fact I wonder if you could name all the chapters after their songs?), while keeping an option open on Teen Pieties  - an 18 year girl steps "off the map"...
Maybe I'm getting "romance" mixed up with something else, but can mine be called Charlotte Touches Herself then?
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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #7 on: 29 March, 2010, 09:23:06 PM »
Vampires are bound to appeal to youth. They stay up all night, get wasted on illegal beverages, are strong, fearless(when your dead what's there left to be scared of) and have lots of non commital sex before returning home to sleep all day.

What could be better than that? ;)
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« Reply #8 on: 29 March, 2010, 09:31:49 PM »
"Teen Dagon and the fahionistas" the every day tale of life blasting horror where Teen Dagon, misunderstood and  "different" ,(ie' he stinks of fish), and bullied by Cthulhu and the cool gang of unpronouncibles at Ry'leh High finds his true vocation in the swimming pool as a God.

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #9 on: 29 March, 2010, 09:46:00 PM »
It's all emo, all this stuff, isn't it.
I see so many of these books on the shelves every time I go into a book shop.
I see James Patterson is even in on the act now, he's got a load of them out as well.Christ I can surely write one of these!  Might have to buy a few up for "research"....

Tell you what, the younger kids books are big business as well. My 7 year old daughter is big into these "Rainbow Magic" books. Theres about 100 of them that have come out in the space of about 2 or 3 years. The plot of every book is exactly the same, a fairy has had her pet/musical instrument/flower/colour/whatever stolen by a goblin and these two girls have to help them get it back by chasing the goblins around and retrieving it in some humourous manner. Its absolutely massive and the only thing that author seems to do different is create a new fairy name for the new books character, and change the "stolen thing" to something else.
Bloody hell.
I read this kind of thing and I go - I'm just stupid I am. Why can't I come up with something like this?!?!?
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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #10 on: 29 March, 2010, 09:59:16 PM »
@ Van Dom

Snorty-The Cocaine Fairy. Snorty and her homies rip it up large in the hood with Tech 9's and Mach 10's when the goblin boyz steal their stash!

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Perhaps it's a bit too modern... :(
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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #11 on: 29 March, 2010, 10:04:26 PM »
I'm nearly finished with my YA/Fantasy/Romance novel, "The Errant Adventures of Nippy Nibblebobber and His Little Pal Gorglydork". Nippy Nibblebobber and Gorglydork run amuck in the kingdom Zajizz until they accidentally rescue Princess Cockwallow from the evil Baron Uvulva and save the day. Think anyone'll buy it off me?

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #12 on: 29 March, 2010, 10:07:47 PM »
Buncha amateurs.  This is how you do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2MR2KUe_Hg

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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #13 on: 29 March, 2010, 10:12:41 PM »
I'm nearly finished with my YA/Fantasy/Romance novel, "The Errant Adventures of Nippy Nibblebobber and His Little Pal Gorglydork". Nippy Nibblebobber and Gorglydork run amuck in the kingdom Zajizz until they accidentally rescue Princess Cockwallow from the evil Baron Uvulva and save the day. Think anyone'll buy it off me?


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Re: Writers: Some 'Truths' About Selling Your Novel Examined
« Reply #14 on: 01 April, 2010, 05:13:55 PM »

2) You are likely to starve to death unless you can produce three or more novels a year


I never thought I'd be mentioning Barbara Cartland on this forum (please don't Ignore me for this!), but the Dear Old Pink one produced 664 novels over 60 years (which included two World Wars and one World Cup).

Obviously she started off with a bucket load of money and didn't have to pay any rent or get a proper job or owt like that.

Maybe formulaic productivity is the only way to make it pay..... (cf. Stephanie Meyer, JK Rowling, Robert Ludlum, Martina Cole etc etc etc) but where's the adventure? Where's the excitement in vomiting out the same story / different names over and over again?

Rant over. Hail has started outside. Perhaps I have brought on the apocalypse.