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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #45 on: 12 June, 2010, 05:02:05 PM »
So the success of the platform -- which you've never used -- is now proof of its deficiency? Really, Doggie, this is nothing more than trolling now. Come back with an argument worth the name, or the slightest indication that you know what you're talking about and we can have a discussion but this line does you no favours.

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #46 on: 13 June, 2010, 05:55:21 PM »
Bought one yesterday. One of my concerns, namely the awkwardness of transferring document files between PC and pad, was quickly oversome by getting the Documents to Go app and downloading Documents to Go Desktop to my PC. Now I just sync files between the two.

Even the chap in PC World, who did a pretty good job of selling them to me, my girlfriend and her sister, was apparently unaware of this possibility.


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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #47 on: 13 June, 2010, 08:29:21 PM »
Even the chap in PC World, who did a pretty good job of selling them to me, my girlfriend and her sister, was apparently unaware of this possibility.

I like the way you say "Even the chap in PC World" as if you were expecting any kind of technical savvy from someone who works at PC World! I once overheard someone at PC World telling a punter that an Apple laptop would be OK unless they wanted to use the internet, because Macs couldn't render HTML!

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #48 on: 14 June, 2010, 03:56:09 AM »
So the success of the platform -- which you've never used -- is now proof of its deficiency? Really, Doggie, this is nothing more than trolling now. Come back with an argument worth the name, or the slightest indication that you know what you're talking about and we can have a discussion but this line does you no favours.

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Err... that isn't what I'm saying at all.

My apologies, Jim - my arguments are pretty much old hat in the IT press.  I'm in no way saying iPads don't do their job and aren't perfect for some folk - I'm just recognising a problem which developers are currently suffering because of Apple's spurious AppStore/Dev policy - a problem which is real and serious and explains the increase in adoption of the Android platform and others.  Just because you haven't heard about them doesn't mean I'm making it all up.  Don't take my word for it - have a look on the IT news sites (such as The Register, which is pretty respectable) and find out for yourself.  Fortunately the days are gone when you can pass an opinion off as fact without it being easily spotted!

In fact, at the time of writing, here is the latest mad story on the Apple interpreted code ban which you say I know nothing about and which you appear to deny the existance of...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/11/steve_jobs_lifts_interpreted_code_ban_for_chosen_few/

I'm sorry that you interpreted my comments as trolling - it wasn't intended.  But if you can't stand the thought of hearing something you don't agree with then you should either try the ignore button, or mark the threads 'Do not disagree with anything in this thread or else'.

I'm going to leave this thread alone now - fortunately I have a life and am sick of being bullied by folk who know sod all about IT issues, about a platform I really don't care very much about, by someone who obvioudly has too much time on his hands.

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #49 on: 14 June, 2010, 12:48:02 PM »
Err... that isn't what I'm saying at all.

Your words disagree with you. Perhaps you should chose them with more care.

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Just because you haven't heard about them doesn't mean I'm making it all up.  Don't take my word for it - have a look on the IT news sites (such as The Register, which is pretty respectable) and find out for yourself.

I read widely and daily across a range of tech sites, of which only a handful (well, only MacRumors, really, and I only hang about the design forum there) could be considered pro-Apple.

As I have said on a similar thread: there is most definitely mileage in discussing whether Jobsian-control-freakery is too high a price for the unified user experience that Apple uses as one of its USPs. Nothing you have posted indicates that that discussion is one you're interested in having.

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Fortunately the days are gone when you can pass an opinion off as fact without it being easily spotted!

What? Like this one:

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When I buy a device I want to actually own the thing - All I want is to put any software I see fit on there, and to keep said software for as long as I want to.  I don't want my apps removing because some marketing drone at Apple thinks that it has too many widgets, or uses an undocumented section of the API

The implication here is that Apple can "take back" an app, like Amazon can remove content from a Kindle, and this is simply not true. If you got that from one of your trusted IT sources, then you need to be a lot less credulous in swallowing what you're being peddled. Or did you just make it up and hope no-one would notice?

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In fact, at the time of writing, here is the latest mad story on the Apple interpreted code ban which you say I know nothing about and which you appear to deny the existance of...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/11/steve_jobs_lifts_interpreted_code_ban_for_chosen_few/

First time you've brought this up, so I'd like you to provide a quotation from me denying the existence of it, or retract and apologize. Like the Flash thing, there are sound technical and business reasons for restricting the use of compilers for non-native code. There is also an undeniable element of Jobsian-control-freakery -- I'm not at all convinced that this decision was sensibly implemented and suspect that the control-freakery has overridden the more reasonable business case.

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I'm sorry that you interpreted my comments as trolling - it wasn't intended.

For the record, a lot of people seem to think when I use the term "trolling" I'm using it to denote general internet dick-waddery. I'm not. I'm using it in the very precise internet sense of someone adopting a position or a view and stating it in a manner designed to prompt a indignant, outraged or irritated response.

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But if you can't stand the thought of hearing something you don't agree with then you should either try the ignore button, or mark the threads 'Do not disagree with anything in this thread or else'.

What I can't stand is people trotting out falsehoods, intentionally or through ignorance, as if they were true. They gain credibility through repetition and I see no reason to let them pass.

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I'm going to leave this thread alone now

Transl: La la la! I've had the final word! I can't hear you! La la la!

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fortunately I have a life and am sick of being bullied by folk who know sod all about IT issues, about a platform I really don't care very much about, by someone who obvioudly has too much time on his hands.

Don't patronize me, mate -- you have no fucking clue how much I do or don't know about IT issues. And I want you to retract the suggestion that you're being bullied: you've made one statement that was substantially biased (you can't have Flash because Apple don't want you to -- this is true but overlooks the fact that it's also very, very shit on Apple platforms) and one that was demonstrably untrue (Apple can remove apps from your iPad) and I've called you on it.

As I recall saying on a similar note recently: grow a thicker skin or get a better argument.

Thanks for playing.

Jim
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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #50 on: 14 June, 2010, 01:37:54 PM »
A salutory lesson there. Jim was exposed to Gamms Radiation from the display of his broken tablet.

Don't get him angry. You won't like him when he's angry. :sick:

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #51 on: 14 June, 2010, 02:40:13 PM »
You won't like him when he's angry. :sick:

I dunno, I think he's at his most charming when his forehead veins throb and pulse threateningly...  Sets off his crimson eyes and pallid glistening skin a treat.

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #52 on: 18 June, 2010, 06:03:48 PM »
On the 'devs flocking to other platforms' angle, that's only going to happen when said platforms come anywhere near matching Apple for sales potential. Right now, the Android store is a sea of shit, compared to the App Store, which is a sea of shit, but with hundreds of luxury liners bobbing about. In other words, the state of iOS apps and games is much like that for Xbox or Windows (but with more novelty, due to the low risk).

I've written several articles on this subject, interviewing various devs. Even those who've had apps blocked due to Apple stupidity generally don't care.

On the iPad generally, one thing's pretty damn clear now: Rebellion needs to get involved. Frankly, I hope someone just shoots Clickwheel in the head and gets 2000 AD and the Meg on to Comixology, because that's where all the cool kids hang out these days, from the big guns of Marvel across to the indies.

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #53 on: 20 June, 2010, 07:07:36 AM »
Just saw tested and smiled at the china IPAD. The windows based iPad copy, slighty heavy, but built in camera,skype,media player,FLASH. No I would not get one I have an Ipad, I love it.but I would say it may be worth looking at, if you are morally against the apple stuff. Much larger memory 120gig, battery replaceable. Rather like smart phones it may be worth looking at,
Also Rebellion get on the bandwagon comixology bloody awesome app. Clickwheel put it out of it's misery.
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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #54 on: 20 June, 2010, 04:18:16 PM »
Just saw tested and smiled at the china IPAD. The windows based iPad copy, slighty heavy, but built in camera,skype,media player,FLASH. No I would not get one I have an Ipad, I love it.but I would say it may be worth looking at, if you are morally against the apple stuff. Much larger memory 120gig, battery replaceable. Rather like smart phones it may be worth looking at,
Also Rebellion get on the bandwagon comixology bloody awesome app. Clickwheel put it out of it's misery.

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I wouldnt even consider buying chinese knock off crap.Not for one second and thats all China ever does is copy copy copy everything plus the fact i am morally against Microsoft products and anything made in China.Thats what i found out when i bought an Imac.I didnt even bother to check where it was made and i had NO idea it was made in China until it was too late.
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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #55 on: 20 June, 2010, 04:42:57 PM »
I LOVE my ipad. And not because it's an iPad, but, because, when loaded with comic content, it just vanishes and all that's left is me and a pile of comics. Lock myself in a darkened room away from sunshine (both because the screen reflects light like a bastard but also because that's the best way to read comics) and it's heaven. I've read a bunch of cbrs (I feel guilty) but I've also bought a bunch of digital comics and graphic novels (Hellboy! Hellboy! Seed of Destruction is only a couple of quid and the pro, is, similarly, only a few quid) and aside from double page spreads which fairly reduce in impact, it's as good as, if not better than some ways, than print.

I've also started buying more graphic novels - I don't think I've spent as much on comics in twenty years.

BUT PLEASE 2000AD, just get on Comixology asap, it's a great reader* (and has a flash based online comic reader so you don't have to miss out if you don't have an iPad)

-pj
(*I'm hoping that, secretly, Rebellion are already talking to comixology and they're building a 2000AD specific reader that includes subscriptions -but I'm a dreamer...)

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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #56 on: 21 June, 2010, 06:35:24 AM »
Peter wolf
90% of the manufactured items in the world have china parts!!!
i am not making that up.
base elements, to fully finished items, majority of the stuff has basis in china some how.

that said,the china Ipad was cheap n ok for the price, i was offered it for about USD500 but as i say it was fully loaded windows etc, and 120gig,

shall we begin a campaign to suggest comixology to rebellion?
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Re: Ipad, who got one?
« Reply #57 on: 21 June, 2010, 07:48:55 AM »
90% of the manufactured items in the world have china parts!!!

Very true. The Foxconn suicides were widely reported as being linked to iPad production, but that particular manufacturing plant (a somewhat inadequate term for the scale of the place) is also a major supplier of components to Sony, HP and Nokia. You'll be very hard-pressed to buy consumer electronics that aren't originated, at least in part, in China.

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