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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #270 on: 03 February, 2012, 01:03:32 AM »
I've always thought Hellblazer at its best when writers took the book in directions they were comfortable with rather than aping previously successful runs on the title by someone else.  I'd written it off long ago, but your talk of Constantine as a family man actually makes me want to check it out again.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #271 on: 03 February, 2012, 06:52:12 AM »
John Smith, for reasons that escape me, isn't seen as a good fit by Vertigo editorial.

If that's the case, thank grud for it. 

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #272 on: 03 March, 2012, 09:04:14 PM »
Late to the party, as usual, but bear with me. After trying a few of DC's 'new 52' and finding them to have a 50/50 hit rate, i was a little perplexed to find myself online the other night, ordering Wonder Woman 1-6.

Im a 41 year old man. Ive never read a Wonder Woman comic in my life, and other from the tv show, have never given the character a second thought. Okay, so i picked my wife up some novelty ww pants in asda the other week and have had the tv theme running through my head ever since... but even so.

Anyway, today i read #1 of brian azzarello's reboot (waiting for 2&5 to arrive, have 3, 4&6) and- yeah, it's good. It's got that whole minimalist dialogue thing that bugs me a bit, and is guilty of reading like a pared-down film storyboard, like many comics now. It uses film grammar as opposed to doing comicky stuff, which is always annoying, and much doesnt make sense... But on the other hand, it's nicely gruesome, has an interesting structure and some winning art. Im looking forward to a (cont)
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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #273 on: 03 March, 2012, 09:12:41 PM »
(cont) read of the remaining 5 when i have them all. Which isnt what idve expected, to be honest. It does feel weird to be enthusing about wonder woman for any other reason than the obviously masturbatory ones, at my age.

Odder still, is that i find myself currently buying three regular DC titles- me, a lifelong marvel zombie who previously had only been to 'that side' in the name of vertigo. And i havent entirely given up on allstar western or resurrection man either, and may yet pick up the ones im behind on.

But wonder woman- yeah, on first impressions, not bad at all.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #274 on: 03 March, 2012, 09:21:48 PM »
Interesting to hear you voice those opinions of Wonder Woman, SBT - because it was for very similar reasons that I absolutely HATED it with a vengeance.

I'm glad you're enjoying the book, and I know plenty of other people are as well. But for me, the whole thing came off as being far below Azarello's usual quality.
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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #275 on: 03 March, 2012, 09:28:25 PM »
Yeah, i admit it could have gone either way. Usually, the style and sparse nature of the dialogue, coupled with the similarity to, as i said, a storyboard rather than a comic, would have thrown me firmly into the 'hate' camp- but oddly in this case, it didnt. Maybe because ive already committed myself to six issues, im prepared to give it time to grow on me. Or maybe i just like tall beautiful women in spangly pants, i dunno.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #276 on: 03 March, 2012, 09:39:27 PM »
I should also mention that i know azzarello by reputation only, as the only thing im aware of reading previously was a couple of volumes of 100 Bullets, borrowed from the library, which made little or no impression.

The artist was completely new to me, and i was hoping his interiors would be better than his cover for #1, which i thought wasnt particularly marvellous. Thankfully, they were, i thought.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #277 on: 03 March, 2012, 09:47:19 PM »
Azz did a good stint on Hellblazer a while back that I'd defo recommend. 100 Bullets left me a bit cold too (as did his new 'Spaceman'), but the few issues of Batman he's done are well worth a look too.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #278 on: 04 March, 2012, 12:03:43 AM »
Six months in, and I think DC's line up is pretty much the same as it was before; specifically, it's not very good.

The trappings are different, sure. Character A got to Point B by a slightly different road than before, and the costumes are different (if by different you mean terrible.) To me, that stuff is irrelevant. I couldn't care less about the continuity being different...I completely understand why DC did this, and as a business decision it's hard to fault.

I think the two major problems I've had with the reboot so far are:

A) It didn't go far enough. IMO, this story should have been about the beginning of a shared universe. Every single book should have been about the beginning (or near beginning) of that character's journey, with every book starting from scratch. Instead, we have a mishmash of timelines..with some characters being completely rebooted, some partially, and those written by Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison not being touched at all. If you're going to do this, DO IT.

B) The books aren't very good. I know, this is subjective. And it's gross over-simplification. But to me, this should have been about DC putting their best foot forward creatively, and it's been anything but that. There are far too many substandard books for a project of this magnitude. I understand the need to do what they've done, but they threw the baby out with the bathwater. Also, so many of the books are so tonally similar that one feels as if many of them are completely interchangeable. The characters in Green Arrow could be substituted into the scenarios of Hawkman, and no one would have noticed.

So what do I like? Well, not much. But there are a few books that I think are strong. It's about the same amount of their titles I liked before the reboot.

I, Vampire - To me, this is the strongest book of the bunch, though recent efforts to bring it's continuity into DC's superhero world threaten to derail the momentum. This is a tragic love story first, and monumental vampire epic second. Joshua Fialkov is one of the stronger new voices in comic book writing right now. DC would be well served to pay attention.

Batman - This isn't a flawless Batman comic by any standard, but it's the best DC has right now. Scott Snyder continues to show that he's a better writer than he is a plotter, and so individual scenes are very strong, but the overarching mystery he's creating is a little weak. Some astounding artwork by Greg Capullo brings this book into the upper echelon of DC titles.

All-Star Western - Although I prefer the more typical western approach that Gray and Palmiotti had to Jonah Hex BEFORE The reboot, this remains one of DCs stronger titles. Like with I, Vampire, the insistence of bringing Hex into the DCU is short-sighted. A solid book, but unfortunately it replaced a great one.

Batgirl - This book has been woefully inconsistent, even though it's been written by one of DC's strongest writers. Simone seems unsure about who this new Barbra Gordon really is, and what we have is basically a retread of the concepts that Bryan Miller explored last year with HIS version of of Batgirl. The loss of the pre-reboot Barbara Gordon is probably one of the most disapointing changes.

Batwoman - If we're judging purely on art, there's no real question what the best book would be. Thankfully the writing is better than expected, though I can't say that the book has quite matched the standard it set under Greg Rucka's stewardship.

Animal Man - Probably the strongest of the bunch, and with good reason. It's rare that a modern superhero book can actually scare me, but this one does it almost every month. It's a magical epic that Lemire is taking us on, and it's a non-Vertigo book that happens to be more Vertiigo-like than most of that lines current offerings.

And that's basically it, at least in terms of the books I think are strongest. My Greatest Adventure and Shade are quite good. GL, and Aquaman are readable, but not essential. And the rest range from terrible to mediocre.





 
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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #279 on: 05 March, 2012, 02:35:55 AM »
Completely agree with both your points, Evil Pants. The relaunch was half-hearted and DC didn't give it the time it needed to really be successul creatively. Factor in their generally lacklustre talent pool, particularly in the middle tolow tier books, and all this realunch has really done is bring DC's inherent flaws to the fore.

Saying that, there are a few books I'm enjoying and it's good to see Marvel taking a beating. Their reaction to DCs success has been very interesting and they've reacted quite poorly in my opinion, choosing to sacrifice a successful books consistency by releasing multiple issues in one month (how can any one artist keep up with that?!) Worst victim of this: Uncanny X-Force.

Biggest disappointment has been Action Comics. It's the DC relaunch in a microcosm: big ideas, a lot of ambition, all scuppered by being rushed and hurt by bad decision-making. DC have always had a problem with their editorial side and this is really becoming evident now. Just look at the whole Static Shock debacle.

The books I'm liking are Batman, Batman & Robin (unexpectedly, this has been really fun!), Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Wonder Woman and The Shade. I'm also liking Frankenstein and All-Star Western.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #280 on: 05 March, 2012, 08:54:10 AM »
Bloomin' heck 6 months huh. Well as for me, the big DC fan around these parts, well I have mixed feelings, but then I guess with something like this that was always going to be the case.

When you look at it in its simplest form I'm getting more DC comics now than at any point in the past. I have 16 left (sorry Aquaman but you really weren't quite there), but will be trying another 3 of the May launches, so from around 14 titles to about 18 typically it seems (assuming one of the new launches gets dropped which I'd expect). So from that perspective DC done good.

Its the finer detail that means I wonder if, for me, its been a success. There's very few DC comics I love the way I used to. Batman is a great book, I'm enjoying Animal Man and Swamp Thing, though to be honest neither  is particular new, so immersed in the feel of those old proto-Vertigo DC titles, Jonah Hex is still great but not quite as great as it was, with the new structure. A couple of others I enjoy, Batwing and Nightwing, are rather dragging out their opening arcs in a way I'm getting a bit frustrated with. Many of the rest are okay, but not much blows me away. Just about everything is closer to cancellation than a previous equivalent title.

I'm really glad DC has done this and I think they've done it about as well as could be expected. The thing is they didn't do it for me, an old skool DC fan, and that's beginning to show. No where more so than Wonder Woman, a comic that in many ways sums up how I feel. Its a fine comic, but as yet the central character doesn't feel like the character I know and love. Done well I love the character, but here, amongst all the modern writing and reinvention I don't think I've really got to grips with who the new Wonder Woman is and as such my interest is starting to drift. If I want a good Brian Azzarello comic I look to Spaceman rather than  a comic I've really enjoyed at times of the years.

That is not necessarily a bad thing. I love me superheroes, I love me shared universe comics, but I'm looking more and more at other ways to get my comic based delights. So if I stopped reading them I'd still have a load I can happily re-read and with the money I save I'd be able to collect all the Cinebooks I hanker after, or experiment with other stuff. Who knows where this will all go and I'd put money on me still reading a bunch of DC titles in a years time, but I'm really beginning to question if that will be the case.

Much like when I first collected comics, I stopped in the early 90s when various gimmicks and cross-overs, redesigns and pouched trousers pulled me away from Superhero stuff first, realising they were no longer for me. Will the same thing happen here? I stopped getting Marvel stuff an age ago, the odd mini aside, as they were driving me nuts with their perpetual crossovers, the up coming DC stuff of that ilk might do for me, who knows. I really hope DC remember with say this 'Night of the Owls' or whatever its called, that the individual series should still be read independently, or that will push me further towards a brink, just a year ago, I wasn't even contemplating.

To be honest if I made that jump and cut myself free of the big two that might not be such a bad thing... or will lead me to scrambling around on eBay in a few years time catching up???

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #281 on: 05 March, 2012, 02:36:32 PM »
I was talking about this to someone at Cardiff Comic Expo. They were saying that the continuity has been woeful with the relaunch - a real shame, if it's true, considering how much time they had to get that right...

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #282 on: 06 March, 2012, 01:12:06 PM »
Having woffled away the way I did I then read an interview with Ann Nocenti and it gets me all excited again. I really hope her Green Arrow is going to be as good as she makes it sound, even if the art is a bit mah.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #283 on: 06 March, 2012, 01:20:07 PM »
I was talking about this to someone at Cardiff Comic Expo. They were saying that the continuity has been woeful with the relaunch - a real shame, if it's true, considering how much time they had to get that right...

I'd be surprised if they even had six months between deciding to reboot and actually doing it.  The one thing you can't deny about DC is that they're much more seat of their pants operation than Marvel when it comes to their yearly crossovers.

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Re: DC to relaunch with 52 #1's
« Reply #284 on: 06 March, 2012, 02:27:50 PM »
Yeah it was all done very quick, at least from the creatives perspective. Snyder said he didn't know the script he wrote for Batman #1 was going to be anything other than Batman #712 or whatever and the news of the relaunch was a big surprise to him. When he heard about it the script had just been sent off to Capullo and he only ended up changing one line of dialogue to 'fit' the new continuity, apparently. It was also this 'last-minute' revamp that Capullo says he was unsure how to draw some of the characters and made Dick Grayson and Tim much younger than he should have.

Sloppy work on the part of DC editorial. It's particularly evident when you look at some of the titles that didn't have a strong vision from either creator, like Green Arrow, Blue Beetle or Static Shock. They had so little time to get it right and you can really tell.