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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #15 on: 18 August, 2011, 04:47:47 PM »
Asterix apropos, Tordle?
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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #16 on: 18 August, 2011, 04:49:36 PM »
Asterix apropos, Tordle?

PM Scooty's execution in the flashback in Savage.  A clear steal from the Tony'n'Dubya show.

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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #17 on: 18 August, 2011, 07:13:07 PM »
I'm enjoying the prog at the moment, Dredd is great - I don't mind slow!
I always enjoy Savage and Sin Dex does it's thing to entertain.
I have reservations about the art on the 3riller - I don't think that sci-fi design is Steve Yeowell's strong point and a story like this lives and dies by making the robots and action scenes dramatic. Imagine this script drawn by McCarthy - it would lift it onto an entirely different level.
Zombo is entertaining and funny but I still think it just over-does things a bit too much - it feels forced to me.

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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #18 on: 19 August, 2011, 05:36:34 PM »
Is this Spoiler Progs forum on death rattle? as only few reviews, and most of those "My prog not arrived, I should destory the world!"

Yes I will try and make time for a proper prog review, although my prog deliveries from the newsagent have been... erratic so I'm often well behind.

Anyway for now, two thoughts on Savage:

  • Pat seems to have everything the wrong way round - the Norts would be more likley to be based in Formby (they'd have probably welcomed them with open arms), as I doubt the people of Liverpool would have stood for Nort HQ being in the Liver Building ;) Oh and also I doubt you'd try and sneak someone off to Ireland from the beach at Formby as it is too open - it'd have made for a better invasion landing area for the Hammerstein robots as you are only a short jaunt from Liverpool and all the road and rail links there (although I'd have liked the idea of the Hammersteins landing on Crosby beach and getting distracted by all of Gormley's Iron Men). Instead you'd probably want to swing a small boat into the Alt where you could sneak people aboard quite easily (the Alt being part of my zombie apocalypse escape plan - steal one of the boats there and chug over to the Isle of Mann).
  • "depleted uranium bombs"? I'm not really sure there is such a thing - it isn't very radioactive (the depleted refers to the lower percentage of 235U, which is the key isotope for fission) so wouldn't be used in a bomb and their military use comes from it being incredibly dense, so it is better than lead for being used in the tips of bullets and missiles when you are trying to take out an armoured or hard target. The only use of DU in a bomb would possibly be in the tip of a bunker busting "guided bomb" but you'd tend not to call them "depleted uranium bombs." Googling it turns up only a few examples used in a rather loose (and inflammatory?) manner and know from an authoritative source (science or the military). Equally, while it is vile (of effective) stuff that I feel should be banned, as it stands its use wouldn't eligible in a war crimes tribunal. So has this ever been explained before in Savage? Yes, I know this is bordering on the flintlocks thread (but I am experienced in the use and handling of radioactive material, particularly uranium, so it did catch my eye) is just Pat is usually spot on with his research so I suspect he is getting at... something, I'm just not sure what it is.

Oh and:

And if I'm being picky I suppose I don't care much for the flat colouring on 3rillers.

The 3riller is good stuff, very clearly told and a good model for the type of stories this slot can handle (beginning, middle, end).  I don't like to use words like this, but while the underlying art is grand, the colouring job is simply appalling.  B&W would have been infinitely preferable to this ugly mess. 

Norwichristmas took a ponderous nosedive after a good opening and I really dislike Yeowell's art being coloured in.

Now I am a fan of Steve Yeowell's work but I do prefer it with a heavier line in B&W (Zenith vs Red Seas, although I still love what he is doing in the latter) or with a richer colouring job (so I do think his coloured art does work - see Devlin Waugh and Tyranny Rex: Comeback as especially fine examples - D'Israeli and Len O'Grady, pre-moire, on the crayons there). The rather limited palette here does give it a bit of an old school feel, which might the intention here (it has a bit of a Maniac 5-vibe), but it just looks unfinished - like someone added the flats and forgot to come back and do the rest of it. Not a deal-breaker (that might come with the twist ending - if it is his brother in the super-werewolf) but I am enjoying this one more than the other two and I think getting one of the many colouring droids in to ride shotgun on this could have really made Steve Yeowell's linework shine.
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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #19 on: 19 August, 2011, 06:36:31 PM »
Now I am a fan of Steve Yeowell's work but I do prefer it with a heavier line in B&W (Zenith vs Red Seas, although I still love what he is doing in the latter) or with a richer colouring job (so I do think his coloured art does work - see Devlin Waugh and Tyranny Rex: Comeback as especially fine examples - D'Israeli and Len O'Grady, pre-moire, on the crayons there). The rather limited palette here does give it a bit of an old school feel, which might the intention here (it has a bit of a Maniac 5-vibe), but it just looks unfinished - like someone added the flats and forgot to come back and do the rest of it. Not a deal-breaker (that might come with the twist ending - if it is his brother in the super-werewolf) but I am enjoying this one more than the other two and I think getting one of the many colouring droids in to ride shotgun on this could have really made Steve Yeowell's linework shine.

I may be the lone voice of dissension here, but I really like the colours on this, far more than I've enjoyed seeing Yeowell's work coloured by others in the past. I really enjoy the apparent simplicity of it, the limited palette to my eye being a perfect match for the linework.

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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #20 on: 19 August, 2011, 06:46:58 PM »
The colouring harks back to the 60's a little like Steve Yeowell's art does and I think it quite suits his work. You don't want it to distract from the beautifully expressive lines but sometimes I think his lineart needs a little help to give a sense of mass or contrast which some simple colours provide.

I am loving Savage - it's gritty and beautifully drawn.

I didn't get Zombo initially but eventually it clicked and I started laughing. It's either that or go mad. :)

Dredd is always pretty decent and I am enjoying the build up. I also noticed the comforting hand. It's an amazing character which can still surprise me after so many years.

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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #21 on: 19 August, 2011, 08:32:40 PM »
I didn't get Zombo initially but eventually it clicked and I started laughing. It's either that or go mad. :)

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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #22 on: 19 August, 2011, 09:05:38 PM »
and did Joe Dredd actually put a comforting hand on Hennesey's shoulder?  WTDrokk?

I also noticed the comforting hand. It's an amazing character which can still surprise me after so many years.

Isn't this the best thing about Wagner's depiction of Dredd? Such a subtle moment speaks volumes about his character - people who think Dredd's a one dimensional "hard cop" miss these lovely details that, for a long term reader, speak volumes about his inner thoughts and development as a character.

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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #23 on: 20 August, 2011, 11:06:34 AM »
Super prog cover! Contents match it especially 3thrillers.   
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Re: Prog 1747: Off the Leash
« Reply #24 on: 20 August, 2011, 11:19:30 AM »
This Prog confirms in my humble opinion why we have some of the best Writer/Artists in the World!

 Love Steve Yoewells work on Wolves and Alec Worleys Mecha induced storyline. Zombo was blackly comic as always but it was Sinister Dexter that had me guffawing out loud. The car design by Anthony Williams was outrageously superb and the story seems very CyberPunk influenced so a double Dragon strike as far as I'm concerned.

Fronted with a Clint Langely Cover Prog 1747 for me was something special.
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