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ElliotJA

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Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« on: 20 January, 2012, 12:05:04 PM »
Now I love Miller's Batman: Year One, but I honestly have to say that I will not be buying his latest work, Holy Terror, because the black-and-white thinking and outright demonisation of Muslims in it offends me.

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #1 on: 20 January, 2012, 12:49:56 PM »
It will never sully my bookshelf.

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #2 on: 20 January, 2012, 12:55:36 PM »
How do you know that it demonizes ALL Muslims and not just the extremists if you didn't read it?

I bought it simply because it's Frank Miller...even if it's a train wreck (haven't read it yet!)...it fascinates me what Miller has been doing the last few years.

I loved the mess that was ' The Dark Knight Strikes Again'. And his 'All Star Batman and Robin' was one of the best clusterf*cks I've read in a long time.



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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #3 on: 20 January, 2012, 01:06:27 PM »
I've read it.  It's fecking vile.  The phrase 'product of a diseased mind' kept forcing itself to the front of my thoughts.  Some of the imagery is clever and striking, everything else stinks beyond description.  But obviously everyone should make up their own mind (as long as they agree with me).

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #4 on: 20 January, 2012, 01:12:54 PM »
Look Up What The Roman Catholic Church Has
To Say About The Golden Compass?

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #5 on: 20 January, 2012, 01:45:45 PM »
Wow, ElliotJA, you don't shy away from thorny topics, do you?

You've been registered for a week, and the threads you've started have included this (which, by the way, isn't new), an allegation of anti-semitism levelled at 2000AD's launch editor, the difficult issue of inter-company continuity and whether Judge Anderson is "sexy".

Are you a very angry person? I think you should have a chat with someone about fluffy kittens.

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #6 on: 20 January, 2012, 01:47:51 PM »
.. and learn what capital letters are for.  ;)
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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #7 on: 20 January, 2012, 02:16:46 PM »
About 62 million people in the UK aren't buying it, What does that tell you about it? eh? eh?
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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #8 on: 20 January, 2012, 04:01:16 PM »
Ive not read it and i doubt i ever will, so i cant really comment. If i want a comic by an " strongly opinionated" artist, for my sins, i usually go to John Byrne.
See his sequel of sorts to Next Men is out next month,  ;)

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #9 on: 20 January, 2012, 04:15:50 PM »
Wow, ElliotJA, you don't shy away from thorny topics, do you?

 :D One of main reasons I enjoy this forum is that generally you can bring up anything and get a civilised conversation about it. I personally don't agree one bit that Pat Mills has an "anti-semitic" bone in his body, but if ElliotJA does, or is unsure if there was a serious anti-semetic slant to Mr. Mills' work, he should be free to discuss it.

As for me buying Holy Terror - ignorant views or not, I'm not a Frank Miller fan so you can count me out!

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #10 on: 20 January, 2012, 05:31:39 PM »
I bought it.

(Ducks)

Now hear me out.

I try to separate the content of a work from the way that that work is executed. So if there's an argument in a work that I disagree with (like I disagree with Frank Miller on things like religion, politics, the colour of the sky, the pros and cons of puppies, et al) but is particularly well-executed, I can still appreciate it.

Holy Terror is not such an argument. It's an incoherent rant disguised as a comic book. Bt it's also not quite as hateful as people are making out. It's about a crazy person, fighting other crazy people. Ideology motivates both of them, but because our "hero" isn't to be taken seriously, his opinions regarding his opponents aren't either.

There are more than a few beautiful pages, for those of us who loved Sin City (nobody draws rain like Frank Miller). But it's painfully clear that at some point, he either a) lost interest, or b) lost interest, and so you have plenty of pages that in any other book would be deemed as unsuitable for publication. When he was doing this for DC, he put some effort into it, and those pages are quite lovely. But about half-way through (around the same time that he claims that he "decided" that it was no longer a Batman story), the quality of the pages starts to deteriorate noticeably, and by the end the pages look like the "rejected sketches" pages at the back of a graphic novel.

It's a work that isn't so much hateful as it is both intellectually and artistically lazy. And for a guy that's brought us the greatness that Miller has, that's a real shame. I don't care is someone disagrees with me....I just want them to disagree with me WELL.

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #11 on: 20 January, 2012, 06:25:21 PM »
I haven't read this, although I have read a lot about it.

I have a lot of time for Frank Miller (loved ASBAR), but I also have a lot of time for Muslims. Not extremists, obviously, but then again any extremist is a whack job, be they Muslim, Christian or Tellytubby.

The book just sounds horribly misinformed, and is by all accounts a serious effort that reads like a parody. I would like to read it, but I don't want to pay any decent amount for it, as I have a feeling I'm going to want to burn it afterwards.

Hopefully i will come accross a copy one day on the cheap.
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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #12 on: 20 January, 2012, 08:20:08 PM »
About 62 million people in the UK aren't buying it, What does that tell you about it? eh? eh?

That could go for every comic on sale here. Statistics can be used for any argument  ;)

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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #13 on: 20 January, 2012, 09:16:45 PM »
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Re: Frank Miller's Holy Terror....anyone else not buying this?
« Reply #14 on: 20 January, 2012, 10:45:28 PM »
Well... I, um, acquired a copy tonight.

It really is as awful as some people have said. Some of the art is mighty fine, but the quality is pretty scattershot throughout. The dialogue is often abysmally bad, especially at the end with some supposed Al Quaida bigshot making a speech that had me wincing as I read it.

The whole thing reads like a novice comic book by someone who gets all their information from Fox News. If it was a UK comic it would have been sponsored by the BNP. A totally inaccurate representation of terrorism that's not even fun to read in a "hey - it's shite!" way.

I am happy that I didn't put any money they way of Miller or the publishers. Thank you, internet, although I now need to wash my eyeballs.
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