Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 

Author Topic: Are You Mental?  (Read 1223 times)

The Legendary Shark

  • Member
  • Battle Hardened War Robot
  • ****
  • Posts: 3610
  • Tip: Sharks only attack you if you're wet...
    • View Profile
    • The Sharkpool
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #75 on: 24 January, 2012, 01:33:04 PM »
Being mental, I'm exposed to "silly platitudes or half-arsed advice" all the time so I really just skip over that stuff. It's good to know, though, that you've all spotted this. Makes me feel kinda' optimistic that the taboo is, if not broken, at least under pressure and that folks are starting to be far more informed and tactful (is that the right word? Maybe empathetic would be better?) in their approach to talking to people with mental issues.

I don't mind the odd platitude or snippet of half-arsed advice because, if nothing else, it does tell me who's worth talking to about it and who isn't.

I was kinda' worried that this thread might prove contentious (more worried that I'd be ostracised, if I'm honest, but that was my bad - I'm sorry to have doubted you) but please, don't think that I can't survive the odd buffoonish comment. It's water off a gronk's back :)

And I also have to say, thanks to you all for being so supportive and understanding about this thread. It has, in the main, given me a great deal of heart and optimism to read your comments.

A heartfelt thank you.
~~~^~~~~~~~


briantm

  • Member
  • Page Numbering Droid
  • **
  • Posts: 107
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #76 on: 24 January, 2012, 02:53:04 PM »
Hi Shark,

I've dealt with some mental health issues... depression for a few years in my teens, nothing as bad as how bad it felt at the time but the experience offers me some minor understanding, or if not that, at least empathy for those who have dealt with or continue to deal with worse.

I also took a fair amount of drugs for a few years, culminating in about two days of severe hallucinations and two weeks of hearing voices.  And yeah, this is very different again to what you get, but in the early stages it was very real... senses of dread - someone's definitely coming up the stairs -severe paranoia, extrapolating every sound into an interconnected story of something outside that's coming in - voices in background noise - distant music that's not really there.  Wasn't so bad in the latter half of it because I had done research and knew it was drug induced and knew there was a good chance it would just go away.  At one stage I was hiding in the garden shed with a big kitchen knife so Bret Ewins story resonated a bit, even though nothing happened with me.

I worked in a newspaper printing press at the time and made the mistake of telling a few people I was hearing voices - especially in the hum and drone of the press. Word spread to the printers who hid in the press towers and called my name as I passed :) wankers.

(btw, I'm not suggesting that anyone elses problems are drug induced)

 

Anyway, the following isn't "half-arsed advice"... it's just a suggestion, and not one that is supposed to help anything...

You like writing comics... do you think you could write a comic about your experiences in dealing with all this?
Have a read of this post calling for more writers to deal with contemporary issues in comics.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,34896.msg647160.html#msg647160

It could be something that could help with mental health awareness.


The Legendary Shark

  • Member
  • Battle Hardened War Robot
  • ****
  • Posts: 3610
  • Tip: Sharks only attack you if you're wet...
    • View Profile
    • The Sharkpool
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #77 on: 24 January, 2012, 04:40:23 PM »
Not a bad idea, but it would be a very boring comic if I based it on myself.
~~~^~~~~~~~


briantm

  • Member
  • Page Numbering Droid
  • **
  • Posts: 107
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #78 on: 24 January, 2012, 04:53:30 PM »
Maybe not for other people going through the same sort of thing.

Autobio comics are more about emotional resonance than any sort of action.

Dark Bat King

  • Member
  • Prog Stacking Droid
  • ***
  • Posts: 547
    • View Profile
    • Play Dredd
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #79 on: 24 January, 2012, 05:31:04 PM »
With good writing this would be a great idea. It doesn't need to be autobiographical, the writer would just need to use their experiences and feelings as inspiration.  the situations can be altered radically and still fit.

TordelBack

  • Member
  • CALL-ME-KENNETH!
  • *****
  • Posts: 13212
  • Thunder Chops is dragged off, gnashing...
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #80 on: 24 January, 2012, 07:04:37 PM »
Not specifically mental-illness related, but Spiral Cage,  Al Davison's autiobigraphy of a person with spina bifida and viral fatigue, remains one of my favourite comics.  I read it again at the weekend as (a very disruptive) part of my reshelving project, and it really is as good as I remembered. 

Somewhat more apposite is Evan Dorkin's Dork issue 7 (?), where he agonisingly chronicles his ongoing nervous breakdown, literally turning to the reader in the middle of a humour comic, and saying "Well..." - one of the most moving things I've ever read, and certainly one of the best single issues of a comic ever. 

Joe Matt's struggle* with a bizarre porn addiction in That Poor Bastard is also incredibly engaging, as is Eddie Campbell's midlife crisis and innumerable frankly insane tics in The Fate of the Artist

So there's certainly a place for comics that directly explore personal problems.


*More of a 'wallowing in' than a 'struggle with', actually...

Roger Godpleton

  • Member
  • Bionic Fingers
  • *****
  • Posts: 6834
  • Welcome to you're "Doom"!
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #81 on: 24 January, 2012, 07:08:36 PM »
Might as well confess that I had some funny business last September and that counselling was super effective.

Also, that's kinda why I came back from my self-imposed absence so if anyone is mean to me then that makes you a Mental-ist.
BEEF-SQUATCH!

Dog Deever

  • Member
  • Evil Cyborg
  • ****
  • Posts: 2126
  • FULL MENTAL
    • View Profile
    • If you like music, DON'T click here...
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #82 on: 04 March, 2012, 10:32:38 PM »
So... what if the person who's mean to you is ALSO mental, Roger?
Just a little rough an' tumble, Judge man!                                                                             I'm too dumb and too mean to be afraid!

Dog Deever

  • Member
  • Evil Cyborg
  • ****
  • Posts: 2126
  • FULL MENTAL
    • View Profile
    • If you like music, DON'T click here...
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #83 on: 05 March, 2012, 11:57:31 AM »
Well meaning platitudes from people who are utterly ignorant- the usual crap 'pull your socks up', 'snap out of it' 'you need to help yourself' blah blah blah. Utter horseshit spouted by the ignorant and dull-witted, I don't want to hear it, because nothing is more likely to make me want to stab you in the face tbh.

Keep it to yourself, cos depression isn't necessarily sitting around all emo and feeling sorry for yourself- very often there is a large amount of mounting anger and frustration. There are actual biological and chemical reasons and symptoms involved in it and there is simply nothing that you can do but take the pills, try to keep social contact and hope that the medication stabilises the chemical imbalance in your body.

I've seen loads of guys in prison who are having mental health problems which have led them to incidents like Mr Ewins- hell, I was a couple of confrontations away from a serious assault myself.

So, unless people know what they are talking about- ie, they work in the field, have experienced it or have lived alongside a sufferer- they really should just shut the fuck up about it.

Shark- trawl around 'the depression forums'- what a fucking laugh that is. I never fail to have a laugh at other peoples misery and mentalness.
« Last Edit: 05 March, 2012, 12:01:17 PM by Dog Deever »
Just a little rough an' tumble, Judge man!                                                                             I'm too dumb and too mean to be afraid!

fonky

  • Member
  • Posting Machine
  • ***
  • Posts: 1019
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #84 on: 05 March, 2012, 12:15:38 PM »
There is nothing so funny as other people's unhappiness. I think Samuel Beckett said something along those lines. One man's tragedy is another man's comedy.

I think most people have experienced it or lived aside someone who's suffered with it. It's a hard thing for most people to talk about and if someone has difficulties in articulating their suffering I don't think telling them to shut the fuck up is going to be helpful.

victim of changes

the 'artist' formerly known as Slips

  • Member
  • Sub Basement Sewer Unit
  • *
  • Posts: 71
  • Procrastination in binary form....
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #85 on: 05 March, 2012, 12:52:02 PM »
Mental health issues run in my family.  So I can sympathise a lot with whats been said here.

My father was a depressive alchoholic gambler till his death, he replaced his overwhelming unhappiness with addiction.  In actuality he was rather successful, a high level job, wife of over 30 years, 3 relatively happy children, golf, drink, horses.  Depression doesnt stop you doing anything.  He just didnt know how to handle it, so drank or gambled the problem away.  In Scotland being in a bar (to a man of his generation) wasnt seen as a problem, particularly if you have a high paying day job. 

Next generation, my brother is handicapped and also suffers from some mental health issues.  He's a capable lad, outgoing, charming and altogether trusting.  Maybe too trusting, Ill get to that later.  Born with a problem down his left hand side, the his brain and his left dont match up quite right, coupled with a mental age of somewhere around 12-14.  He's never really had it easy.  But he's managed to get jobs and try hard at them.  The most shocking thing is that normal people (and I use this in the loosest sense) are never sure how to take him.  Put it this way, he follows his local football team home and away or did at least until an incident.  He travels with the worst football coach the team has, full of hooligans and casuals, but they treat him like he's their brother.  He knows them all and they all look after him. 

Recently he has gone down hill with his health.  He worked for a massive supermarket, pushing trolleys and packing bags.  That sort of thing.  Nothing taxing but it brought in some money for him.  Anyway, at work one of the managers (not a shop floor person or a till operator or even a security guard), started to bully him.  Used words like disabled and spastic to him.  Thats hard for most of us to take, but a naive man with the brain of a 12 year old?  It sent my brother into depression and self abuse (scratching, blood letting, scarrification).  Now he has to deal with all the fallout medical conditions and the like.  Yes I have sent the supermarket a solicitors letter, Ill see how it works out. 

I myself have suffered somewhat with what they called "reactive" depression, manifesting itself as rage, anger and hatred, mostly at myself.  It took about 6 months to shake it and I still have times of dark moments, but its no where near as bad as it was.  Even after that short time, it took a year of therapy and a mindfullness course to address.  Even now I still do breathing exercises and cycle and run almost every day to keep it in check.  Exercise is a great healer, especially outside.  Am I saying this on a comics forum?   

Any one who thinks they suffer from this or similar, go and see your doctor.  Most health authorities run courses like Mindfulness and depression is a big thing.  Dont suffer in silence and alone, go and see someone, dont leave it to late.  People would miss you, if you ever went. 

Yer 'Serious' Slips     
"They tried and failed, all of them?"
"Oh, no." she shook her head "They tried and died"
Mostly Sarcastic & flippant

Dog Deever

  • Member
  • Evil Cyborg
  • ****
  • Posts: 2126
  • FULL MENTAL
    • View Profile
    • If you like music, DON'T click here...
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #86 on: 05 March, 2012, 01:09:40 PM »
...I don't think telling them to shut the fuck up is going to be helpful.

shut the fuck up
Just a little rough an' tumble, Judge man!                                                                             I'm too dumb and too mean to be afraid!

fonky

  • Member
  • Posting Machine
  • ***
  • Posts: 1019
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #87 on: 05 March, 2012, 01:40:21 PM »
Do it yourself. You raised the issue.

Like most families there has been a history of mental illness in ours. My own depression started when I was young and just lost my first job. I had nothing to do and not any money and started going into pubs and boozing. It took me years to make the connection between my poor mental health and alcohol dependency. By the time I'd decided to finally give up the booze most of the damage had been done and all my relationships had been wrecked.

Alcohol is a main factor in lots of mental health problems.
victim of changes

Dog Deever

  • Member
  • Evil Cyborg
  • ****
  • Posts: 2126
  • FULL MENTAL
    • View Profile
    • If you like music, DON'T click here...
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #88 on: 05 March, 2012, 03:18:29 PM »
try reading my post properly before you start getting fired in, then maybe I won't get pissy
Just a little rough an' tumble, Judge man!                                                                             I'm too dumb and too mean to be afraid!

fonky

  • Member
  • Posting Machine
  • ***
  • Posts: 1019
    • View Profile
Re: Are You Mental?
« Reply #89 on: 05 March, 2012, 03:47:06 PM »
unless people know what they are talking about- ie, they work in the field, have experienced it or have lived alongside a sufferer- they really should just shut the fuck up about it.

Shark- trawl around 'the depression forums'- what a fucking laugh that is. I never fail to have a laugh at other peoples misery and mentalness.

What?
victim of changes