Is this It For Ghostbusters Two....

[richerthanyou]

I'm not sure why people seem to be assuming that the movie won't be funny because of the people in it.

I'm no expert on film making but I would imagine that there is some kind of a script. And written into this script will be jokes. Jokes written by someone who has an intended target audience who the jokes will be aimed at. And call me crazy but I think that these jokes will be aimed a completely different crowd to those who Bridesmaids were written for.

Just because someone makes a few films that you dislike does not make them a bad actor/actress. After titanic came out no one would have guessed that Leonardo Di Caprio was a good actor, and yet all these years later here we are.

All I'm saying is that it's just a film. It's made to entertain you. And for all you know it could be funny. Who knows, maybe it will be aimed at the Bridesmaids crowd. Wouldn't that be funny "Oh no, someone took my favorite childhood movie and changed it completely so that it's written for the female demographic!"

I don't have an structured argument here. It's just a long winded way of me saying chill the f*** out. If it sucks, the first 2 films will still be just as good as they always were. Nothing can change that. So just re-watch them and be happy.

[JamesC]

You mean the first film will still be good. Ghostbusters 2 is cack!

[TordelBack]

Ghostbusters 2 is cack!

Utter cack indeed. Which is interesting in the context of the present discussion, since it featured the exact same funny and notably male cast as the sainted original.

[I, Cosh]

He didn't say they'd both still be objectively good, but "just as good."

Bit surprised at the Ghostbusters 2 hate. It's maybe not as good as the first but it's hardly a Starship Troopers 2 and Vigo's a much better villain than Zool or whatever.

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

I'm rather intrigued by this. It's good idea that they've got ordinary looking women, not supermodels as the main characters so it will be the story and the interaction between the leads that we concentrate on. You can't help feeling that Hollywood adds the glammed up female sidekick/Assassin/whatever dressed in cod feminists disguise since she 'kicks ass' just like the men in tight bum hugging trousers or less.

Transformers leered lecherously at Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon Whiteley so perhaps this female Ghostbuster is an attempt to redress the balance a bit. After all feminism was supposed to vanquish sexism making it- aha, a ghost but clearly they underestimated the biology that shaped men's views or worse since they believed in equality denied it. Biology, cruel as it is is never fair or equitable and men's minds do appear to be wired differently from the female being more aggressive and analytical. Men still dominate societies institutions despite decades worth of legislation to make the job place 'fair' so you can understand why women would feel a little unhappy about what they believe to be institutional sexism, which the argue is still holding women back in a male dominated  system. 

Perhaps Ghostbuster might be a wry comment how far have women got in society. A 'where have we got to' check and also how far do we have to go to get true equality something cynics about human nature like me believe to be impossible. Women have become  Politicians, Business leaders and leading actors in Movies like GhostBusters but still despite all this a female leader tends to receive more media attention about what they wear rather than their policies. The supposedly contained ghost of sexism and the male dominated society with it's inevitable prejudices are still around seemingly impervious to change or progress. So who you gonna call? Insert quote here.

[I, Cosh]

It's not biology but ingrained patterns of learned (both consciously and unconsciously) behaviour which should, can and does change.

I don't think anyone is saying that people are the same, rather that they should be treated the same and afforded the same opportunities. Legislation forces change to be observed, but only living with the effects of that change shifts attitudes along generational lines.

Basically, just because things are difficult and take time doesn't mean we should continue to endorse social structures and ideas which serve to enslave half the people we profess to love. Apologies to the married boarders!

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

Your words are optimistic Cosh but I fear there is something rotten in human nature that will undermine all attempts at progress. You assume that everyone finds your inclusiveness right or desirable and surely the reaction to the all female cast spells the polar opposite. Men and it is mostly men appear to be resentful of this Film because it has an all female cast. Hardly an endorsement of an attempt at equality if this is the reaction.

As for generational change you could argue that attitudes have changed over the years but have they really? There may be less open racism and overt sexism than in the past but is just hidden away better? The people of this Nation aren't exactly falling over with joy to let in thousands of desperate refugees from Syria and the Internet is so awash with porn I bump into 'risque stuff' even when I'm on some comic websites. Perhaps football hooliganism is a better proof of your assumption. Hooliganism was rampant in the 1980's and early 1990's but then the Authorities got tough and started jailing hooligans plus after the Bradford stadium fire and other football related incidents clubs began to see fans as an asset [to be exploited of course] rather than as a problem.   

But I'm a cynic and I don't believe any legislation can fundamentally change the human condition. We're mostly rotten IMHO but perhaps that's just me!

[IndigoPrime]

Some people have a weird kind of ingrained sexism. All-women leads? WHY NO MEN? Only male leads? *silence* Token women in 'must be all things to everyone and also absurdly strong' role? YOU GOT ONE WOMAN! ANY MORE AND THEY WOULD TAKE OVER!

[JOE SOAP]

I'll be satisfied with a fun film about people bustin' some ghosts.

[TordelBack]

Your words are optimistic Cosh but I fear there is something rotten in human nature that will undermine all attempts at progress.

Not even hardly. People are nasty small cowardly lazy creatures it's true, but at the same time we are cursed with a reflective consciousness and a complexity of relationships that insist that we can and will be better.  Look no further than Ireland last year, where 62% (that's 1.2 million people) voted in a direct plebiscite to write full marriage equality into our hideously backward Constitution.  It's a legislative change that grew out of a change in attitude, which in turn further reinforces and magnifies that change. That is an almost unimaginable thing to me, who grew up at a time when to be called gay was the worst insult imaginable, a time when there was no divorce, contraceptives had to be prescribed; my mother was forced to leave her job when she got married, and her subsequent job when she had me. The attitudes aren't hidden, they've become a minority. People and their laws do change, and usually for the better.

That said, the attitude to refugees, the bald xenophobia of it, and its political exploitation, terrifies me. But we'll get through that too.

[ThryllSeekyr]

Ghostbusters 2 is cack!

Utter cack indeed. Which is interesting in the context of the present discussion, since it featured the exact same funny and notably male cast as the sainted original.

I've been thinking about that...without actually know why the second film bombed and have now come to the conclusion that it was mostly the same as the first, but with new villain.....Vigo...with some misguided creep in supporting role...who I remember, but he was the original Dragon-Slayer and Cookie from Ally MacBeal and apart from animated the Statue of Liberty as a even bigger patriotic gesture it was just more of the same.

I was reading in their wiki, that one of the comic adaption of this was crossed over with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle and then thought that might have worked, if they did that instead. I think both the sequel and the very first TMNT film were made close to the same time. Still I like to see this done with the assistance of todays tech.

Slimer looks really out of place by todays' standards. Given that hungry green ghosts have a place.

[The Enigmatic Dr X]

What's the problem? I hear it likes the girls too.

[ThryllSeekyr]

I've ben busy creating a roster of rookies and specialist soldiers based on the cast of the first Ghostbusters film on X-Com Two and who knows, I may even do one for their female replacements in my attitude that they should have upgraded their tech moved on from spooks to aliens. Replacing the Ecto-One  & their HQ with a flying fortress.

Who wants to sign up and let me add you to the roster?

[James Dilworth]

With publicity like this how can they possibly fail?

[COMMANDO FORCES]

I'll say it before Goaty does. That's more publicity than Dredd got!