What the **** is this??

[TordelBack]

STID is staggeringly, gobsmackingly poor, not least because it is completely oblivious to tone. To try to equate the Carol Marcus underwear scene with TOS' Orion Slave Girls or snog-of-the-week, or Kirk's ludicrous[spoiler] death and resurrection with Spock's,[/spoiler] just makes me want to bang my head off the wall: you have missed the point so badly.  Like Prof Bear I have watched STV:TFF of my own free will on many occasions, and laughed at the many stupidities, but STID is on an entirely different level. Nothing makes sense, nothing is funny, no-one is interesting or even consistent, and there are apparently no stakes or consequences: for example, the [spoiler]deaths of half his crew and the destruction of San Francisco at the end doesn't seem to distract anyone from Kirk's 'victory'.[/spoiler]

[Tiplodocus]

then I have to mention Blues Brothers 2000

Doctor X will be along in a minute to defend it.

You've got me confused with someone else. I've not even seen it.

Maybe it was Buttonman.

And I am sorry if I have mortally offended you by confusing you with Buttonman.

[Arkwright99]

This will doubtless get me branded as an infidel among some quarters but I don't think The Empire Strikes Back is as good as the original Star Wars movie (and by original I don't mean the version that's now called 'A New Hope'!). My father took me to see TESB at the Leicester Square Odeon in 1980 when it opened and I was really geared up to see it because I loved Star Wars so much but by the time the end credits rolled I just had this immense feeling of disappointment. It may have said 'Star Wars' on the tin but that sure as hell wasn't what I had just watched. I know 'everyone' says TESB is the best of the original trilogy but 35-something years later that initial impression still colours my (non)appreciation of the film. I just don't see whatever it is that everyone else (apparently) sees in it.

[Big_Dave]

This will doubtless get me branded as an infidel among some quarters but I don't think The Empire Strikes Back is as good as the original Star Wars movie (and by original I don't mean the version that's now called 'A New Hope'!). My father took me to see TESB at the Leicester Square Odeon in 1980 when it opened and I was really geared up to see it because I loved Star Wars so much but by the time the end credits rolled I just had this immense feeling of disappointment. It may have said 'Star Wars' on the tin but that sure as hell wasn't what I had just watched. I know 'everyone' says TESB is the best of the original trilogy but 35-something years later that initial impression still colours my (non)appreciation of the film. I just don't see whatever it is that everyone else (apparently) sees in it.

i like it but i know
what you mean

empire is probably better made
but star wars is a much better film

[richerthanyou]

Judge Dredd.

Everything was going well until he took the damn helmet off....