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Title: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 September, 2011, 11:51:16 pm
it will be 12 months next Monday,

With a new fan poster I created, with Jock style of Dredd, been email Jock the poster first, then got his reply "Ha, thats brilliant goaty. Cheers!" :-)

(http://i.imgur.com/h9Hh0.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 September, 2011, 12:32:02 am
Send it to Danny Cannon and Stallone too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: ED GRIMREAPER on 07 September, 2011, 02:42:14 pm
Very cool :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SKD on 07 September, 2011, 05:15:10 pm
 12 months, that's almost a year! Great poster Goaty :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Really kicks ass! :D

 Stew.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 07 September, 2011, 05:19:39 pm
outstanding i hate that shit house film lol :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Judge Palmer on 09 September, 2011, 04:50:36 pm
it will be 12 months next Monday,

With a new fan poster I created, with Jock style of Dredd, been email Jock the poster first, then got his reply "Ha, thats brilliant goaty. Cheers!" :-)

(http://i.imgur.com/h9Hh0.jpg)

Loving the poster Goaty, so good I thought I would post it up again  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2011, 05:20:33 pm
Cool poster!

I know this film isn't out yet, but I already hope it gets a sequel. I would really like to see Lance Henriksen as Dredd though. He has a booming voice but isn't in a lot of good movies these days. Perhaps if it was set when dredd is much older and meaner, it would justify using a different actor.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 09 September, 2011, 08:46:48 pm
Cool poster!

I know this film isn't out yet, but I already hope it gets a sequel. I would really like to see Lance Henriksen as Dredd though. He has a booming voice but isn't in a lot of good movies these days. Perhaps if it was set when dredd is much older and meaner, it would justify using a different actor.

Don't you want to see how Karl's Dredd works first? I've seen it, it's not bad at all.. I too am hoping for a sequel :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 September, 2011, 01:42:32 am
Yeah, I want to see how Karl Urban's dredd is, and I think/hope it will be cool. But if there were to be a sequel, how many dredd movies are there gonna be? Different actors every time I say.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2011, 01:51:16 am
3 films have been tentatively planned.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 10 September, 2011, 04:53:54 am
3 films have been tentatively planned.

Allon Reich, one of Dredd's producers, is on record in an interview with Variety  magazine, wherein he stated they were aiming for a potential "three-picture" franchise, and also, Andrew MacDonald, another of Dredd's producers has stated that writer Alex Garland already had a number of ideas for sequels (if they happen), taken together, it certainly sounds like the Dredd production team are probably already thinking seriously about potential sequel storylines, my vote is still on Judge Death in either the second or third film, and probably a Block War in the second, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, roll on 21/9/12...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 10 September, 2011, 11:56:26 am
A different actor every time? So everyone can angst and whine about it every single bloody time? Seriously? Yeah, no thanks. I know I know I know, what's a forum for but to angst and whine, you say. Fine. *grumps* Just putting forth my tuppenny.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's the norm to operate under a trilogy 'contract' these days, ie, actors agreeing to return should there be more and so on. Read that somewhere, or saw an interview, or both. Might even have been here. Doesn't really guarantee sequels.

I was reading up about box office and finance etc on one of the comic sites and it's quite frightening how well a film has to do to get a sequel. Makes it even more amazing that there was a Serenity movie.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 September, 2011, 07:29:39 pm
Well if anyone interesting, as the new Dredd's director, his first film (well he did many tv programmes!) called Vantage Point, it is on Five at 8.05pm tonight, it not bad, but well action.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 11 September, 2011, 08:25:13 pm
Well I hope a sequel follows. The Spiderman reboot already has a sequel penned apparently.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 September, 2011, 08:46:51 pm
Well if anyone interesting, as the new Dredd's director, his first film (well he did many tv programmes!) called Vantage Point, it is on Five at 8.05pm tonight, it not bad, but well action.


His first film is really Omagh, although a feature film produced for TV, is much better.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 12 September, 2011, 10:45:09 am
20 elite Indonesian cops work their way up a 30 floor drug factory controlled by a crime lord who's monitoring events on cctv. Carnage ensues. This looks looks like fun.

The Raid (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51147)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 12 September, 2011, 01:23:04 pm
20 elite Indonesian cops work their way up a 30 floor drug factory controlled by a crime lord who's monitoring events on cctv. Carnage ensues. This looks looks like fun.

The Raid (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51147)

Yeah I caught that trailer. It looks very Elite Squad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-rUfBTQ1g

The director of which I think is doing the new Robocop. I think maybe the producers of Dredd may have seen Elite Squad too, which could have influenced the direction they're going with the movie.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 12 September, 2011, 05:33:40 pm
20 elite Indonesian cops work their way up a 30 floor drug factory controlled by a crime lord who's monitoring events on cctv. Carnage ensues. This looks looks like fun.

The Raid (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51147)
Hmmmmm, coincidences happen but has someone been a bit naughty here.I remember reading about how Tarantino got the plot for Reservour Dogs from some Hong Kong flick -well at the end of the day everybody borrows ideas don't they
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 12 September, 2011, 05:35:50 pm
CraveNoir you really should look at the movie and tv thread once in a while, as you'd see that was mentioned a few days ago  :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 September, 2011, 05:56:08 pm
I don't see why either camp should feel the need to rip off either side especially when both where in production round about the same time.


Having said that Attack the Block has beaten them to the use of the same conceptual setting.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 12 September, 2011, 06:00:33 pm
CraveNoir you really should look at the movie and tv thread once in a while, as you'd see that was mentioned a few days ago  :o

:) Normally I do a search, but it's disabled!  :-[
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 12 September, 2011, 06:12:57 pm
Bah, that's nothing. I remember an old stallone film from around 1995, of which this 'dredd' is CLEARLY a rip off.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 September, 2011, 02:22:33 pm
I know it odd subject to bring up in this topic, as I am on break in Newquay all week enjoy the sun and strong winds!
As it was 8 hours train to there last Sunday, I was watch dvds, one is Star Trek (still brilliant film!) which I hadnt see in while. And can see that Karl Urban as McCoy, as watch him talks and acting with imagine the Judge Helmet on him, that a Dredd there! Looking forward to Dredd in a year!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 September, 2011, 02:28:05 pm
And can see that Karl Urban as McCoy, as watch him talks and acting with imagine the Judge Helmet on him, that a Dredd there! Looking forward to Dredd in a year!


True, it's possible, he does have Dredd-traits but we'll have to wait and see...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Glenn Broadway on 15 September, 2011, 12:12:49 pm
Re: The Raid - I read the comment from The Sherman Kid but I'm a bit confused about who might have been naughty. The Raid looks good - is the suggestion that it is copying something, or that Dredd is copying it or something?

Thanks, Glenn.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 16 September, 2011, 09:52:22 am
Re: The Raid - I read the comment from The Sherman Kid but I'm a bit confused about who might have been naughty. The Raid looks good - is the suggestion that it is copying something, or that Dredd is copying it or something?

Thanks, Glenn.
I have read the Dredd script I have seen the Raid trailer -I will say no more.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MarsHottentot on 26 September, 2011, 03:46:02 pm
Scale will be key here!  Besides, if The Raid does well (which seems to be a forgone conclusion) and Dredd feels anything like it that will end up as a part of the critical short hand; certainly lazy, but ultimately beneficial.  As to whether or not they are really that much alike, I doubt it - the sensibility is very different; I don't expect to see much in the way of street martial arts in Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 29 September, 2011, 05:57:55 am
I was watching Death Wish 3 the other day (awesome film) and it got me thinking, I think Dredd would quite suite the 70s action Grindhouse feel. It could justify having countless instalments too!

It was this scene that really did it for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFY5xMih3fo
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 01 October, 2011, 04:20:49 am
I was watching Death Wish 3 the other day (awesome film) and it got me thinking, I think Dredd would quite suite the 70s action Grindhouse feel. It could justify having countless instalments too!

 Death Race 2000 comes to mind for that. ;)  John Carpenter's Assault On Precinct 13 does too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2011, 12:40:46 pm
Have a look at the car from the new Total Recall Film. The United Federation of Britain? Great we're the bad guys in Cinema again! Have to admit Dredd's trucks aren't as cool looking as this but they are different Films after all.

http://youtu.be/SBQmBY_ZF3c
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 05 October, 2011, 01:00:55 am
Also, I'm pretty sure it's the norm to operate under a trilogy 'contract' these days, ie, actors agreeing to return should there be more and so on. Read that somewhere, or saw an interview, or both. Might even have been here. Doesn't really guarantee sequels.

Indeed. Though if I recall correctly Chris Evans broke the record with a nine movie deal for Cap.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 05 October, 2011, 01:02:17 am
Or maybe it was six. In either case it was a larger deal than I've ever heard of.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 07 October, 2011, 03:24:42 pm
11 months to go, no Teaser trailer or more photos? Mmmmm....
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 07 October, 2011, 05:25:17 pm
Patience dear Goaty.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 07 October, 2011, 06:12:48 pm
Slightly worrying news from the rumour mill!

Please, not again!!!!! >:(


http://collider.com/dredd-director-editing-problems/119348/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 07 October, 2011, 07:07:20 pm
Hm.. Well..  :-X
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 07 October, 2011, 07:11:56 pm
Directors Cut anyone  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 07 October, 2011, 08:07:14 pm
At least there's the knowledge that for every Supernova there's a Superman II!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 07 October, 2011, 08:12:37 pm
Shit, that doesn't sound good. Could turn out to be a load of fuss over nothing, though - the situation could be more amicable than the article suggests.

Got to say, I was always a little dubious over the choice of Travis as director.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2011, 08:42:19 pm
Shit, that doesn't sound good. Could turn out to be a load of fuss over nothing, though - the situation could be more amicable than the article suggests.


Doubt it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 07 October, 2011, 08:58:16 pm
Thinking it over now I've calmed down from the initial flip out - and it was a doozy, palpitations and deer-in-headlights - I'm not going to panic since I think more of Garland than Travis. Wish there were no tensions, but if this is for real, then I'd prefer the control landing in Garland's lap. With the crew behind him, I'm sure he'll direct fine.

*will be upbeat no matter what*

Hate the bad press though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 07 October, 2011, 09:16:00 pm
Well it in Dark Horizons as producers wasn't happy with director's vision.

I guess it was the helmets too big?

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 07 October, 2011, 09:29:42 pm
At least there's the knowledge that for every Supernova there's a Superman II!

 .....as well as The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Despite all the craziness during production and post-production, it was well-recieved critically.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 07 October, 2011, 09:31:21 pm
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22037/-dredd-director-forced-off-production (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22037/-dredd-director-forced-off-production)

But it was maybe a good choice? As I means there too many shit films, and how can they let it out like that?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2011, 09:52:21 pm
.....as well as The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Despite all the craziness during production and post-production, it was well-recieved critically.


Yeah but the director didn't get fucked off it and it was entirely Gilliam's film from start to finish. For this to happen on a film is a pretty huge deal and not at all common. It happened on the '95 film too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 07 October, 2011, 10:25:12 pm
This is terrible news for the movie, sadly. The '95 movie has already damaged the property in the eyes of the general public and this is just more of the same. Going to be a real uphill battle to get people into theaters to see it with this tag around its neck. Fuck.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 07 October, 2011, 10:34:23 pm
At least there's the knowledge that for every Supernova there's a Superman II!

The sad part being Superman II would have been a better movie with Donner in charge.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 07 October, 2011, 10:39:44 pm
Genuinely gutted at this news. Been following this production like a hawk and have been talking it up to anyone who'll listen, confident that with the level of talent involved, the end product would be something impressive that would surprise a lot of people.

While I'm still pretty confident that Dredd 2012 wont be an absolute travesty like the Stallone version (this time they at least had a finished, solid script) the echoes of '95 are hard to ignore.

Hope the whistleblowers get slung out on their arse, though. It's monumentally unprofessional to leak something like this to the press. Feel bad for the producers. I often have to work under ndas and wouldn't dream of breaching them in a million years.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2011, 10:41:41 pm
This type of thing can end careers, don't know who's in the wrong, if anyone really is or the context of the footage dispute but it's fairly up-in-the-air now as to how the film will turn-out.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2011, 10:45:26 pm
Hope the whistleblowers get slung out on their arse, though. It's monumentally unprofessional to leak something like this to the press. Feel bad for the producers.

It's human nature and who knows maybe they too got fucked over. I wouldn't sweat it too much, it's a miracle any film turns out good considering the amount of stars that have to align.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 07 October, 2011, 11:21:05 pm
At least it wasn't me this time  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2011, 11:34:47 pm
Time to spill the beans...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 07 October, 2011, 11:44:58 pm
That post-hypnotic suggestion you planted worked then, Michael?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 08 October, 2011, 01:05:51 am
Uh oh.  Hey, but maybe it is better the writer has more control?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 08 October, 2011, 01:24:18 am
Writers write. Directors direct.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:51:46 am
Time to bring in Uwe Boll.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Dreddzilla on 08 October, 2011, 01:54:20 am
Slightly worrying news from the rumour mill!

Please, not again!!!!! >:(


http://collider.com/dredd-director-editing-problems/119348/
Let's hope this will be the only major setback.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 08 October, 2011, 01:57:32 am
This is disappointing. :/ I wonder if it has anything to do with the late release date? People on here made some valid aguements for that, which I happened to agree with, but you have to wonder...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:57:38 am
If there is truth to Garland actively seeking co-director credit with the possibility of reshoots, Dredd is in a fucked-up state at the moment.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Dreddzilla on 08 October, 2011, 02:07:38 am
If there is truth to Garland actively seeking co-director credit with the possibility of reshoots, Dredd is in a fucked-up state at the moment.
How bad was the movie that the producers decided to kick Pete Travis off of it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 08 October, 2011, 02:16:18 am
If there is truth to Garland actively seeking co-director credit with the possibility of reshoots, Dredd is in a fucked-up state at the moment.

Good point. I'm trying to avoid the whole knee-jerk reaction thing but I have a horrible feeling that ego is the main driver behind this. It may even be for a good reason but it still worries me.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 08 October, 2011, 03:42:33 am
Writers write. Directors direct.

Well, yes, but people can write and direct a film. This way, the vision is now clear and there shouldn't be any more confusion and people not seeing eye to eye.

Still though, the fact that the director could have screwed the film up so badly that they kicked him out of the editing room is quite worrying. I am still hopeful though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 08:51:30 am
Is this another publicity ploy? Like with the first DREDD still there was a lot of neg- reaction. It got everyone talking then POW! Empire appears and all bodes well.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Rex The Runt on 08 October, 2011, 09:06:36 am
Maybe the execs saw this forum and figured all the fans railing about tyre thickness and shoulder pads and figured the director totally muffed it.

Hopefully we'll get a comic relief oaf and a codpiece again!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 08 October, 2011, 09:20:04 am
I think you overestimate our importance greatly.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 08 October, 2011, 09:24:52 am
sounds like another Halo miss to me

get in....back of the net
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 08 October, 2011, 09:45:43 am
Oh ffs, just heard about this. I'm totally gutted. I just want the Dredd property to have the respect it deserves. I NEED this film to be good...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 October, 2011, 09:58:01 am
The thing is, there's a lot more at stake here than just the success of a film. A good dredd film that performs well could guarantee further films based on 2000ad characters, more revenue for Rebellion and ensure the long-term survival of 2000ad as a comic.

If it crashes and burns, we can wave goodbye to all that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 08 October, 2011, 10:24:59 am
Curious to know what the creative differences actually are

(http://27.media.tumblr.com/HP9kjxCUnpg9da2n6w7ZaoONo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 08 October, 2011, 10:27:39 am
Cheers Radiator, that's what I was trying to say but I was too cheesed off when I was writing it. I feel so lucky that we've been given a second chance, it'll be devistating if it goes wrong...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 08 October, 2011, 10:43:30 am
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/119/1198972p1.html
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 October, 2011, 10:49:19 am
Well this is hardly good news but I believe the Producers of Bladerunner threw out Ridley Scott due to 'creative differences.' Not what we wanted to hear though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 11:20:44 am
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/119/1198972p1.html

What the Hell does 'titular judge' mean in this article? Does it mean Urban's got man boobs?


 :-*
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 08 October, 2011, 11:31:53 am
The character's name is in the title.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 11:48:29 am
Thanks Steven l'm now enlightened.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 12:10:38 pm
Considering the older report of the writer, Garland, being present everyday on set wasn't a sign of good relations.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 08 October, 2011, 12:21:45 pm
This news doesn't make me concerned for the production. (And bear in mind I've expressed no views on any other aspect of it!)

It was always Garland, Reich and Macdonald's project. They've consistently stated their aim for the film to be a violent hard R-rated film that's true to the character. It's not like this is studio intervention. It's been their vision from the start.

There were some indications of... frustrations while shooting, especially after the Xmas break, so whatever the concerns might be, they were being addressed then. Garland, Reich and Macdonald were on set, and in spite of the hyperbole on news sites, and reading between the lines, it looks like Travis' services were no longer required after principal photography wrapped in February (maybe March. I know the second unit carried on for a bit longer). That's nearly eight months ago, with another 11 to come.

If they think it'll make the film truer to what they set out to do then I hope they do go ahead with some reshoots as clearly they didn't get some of what they wanted, and that's a surprise as Travis has good form.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 October, 2011, 12:35:39 pm
Some sort of falling out has occurred on the DREDD Film for whatever reason and none of us [except maybe Michaelvk ] were on the Film's set so your guess is as good as mine why this has happened.  :(

If there are to be re-shoots I hope it's in England. Leavesden Studio is not too far away so if their looking extras I'm available. Ugly, drunken inhabitants of MC1 would be my speciality though Useless Thug Henchmen I could manage as well. ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 12:39:12 pm
Makes sense CN. Let's consider classics like Blade Runner and Apocalypse Now had major problems creatively, but turned out perfect. In some cases the movie making trauma spawned books and dvd extras pulling in more revenue after movie release.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 October, 2011, 12:42:46 pm
Quote
It's not like this is studio intervention. It's been their vision from the start.

Yes, good point.

In a lot of ways this is very different to the circumstances of the '95 film shoot. The problems with the Stallone vehicle were many - not least that the whole production was rushed, and they didn't have a solid script locked down - hence all the last-minute changes to the film's story - the tacked-on Hershey romance, Fergee surviving etc. I'm pretty sure that this is nothing like that, from the sounds of it the producers clearly didn't think that Travis was doing the material justice.

Perhaps it was Garland, Macdonald and Reich having such a clear vision of what they want the film to be is at the heart of the problem? Travis wanted to bring his own ideas into the mix and that lead to a falling out?

No matter how you dress it up, though, this is bad news.

I was hoping Dredd would be 2012's District 9. Really hope that it doesn't turn out to be 2012's Conan the Barbarian...

Hopefully we'll get an official statement/denial from the producers to clear up this mess, but I'm not holding my breath...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 October, 2011, 12:52:22 pm
No statements. I suspect the Films Producers will not want to wash their dirty linen in Public. It will be allowed to fade and be forgotten till after the Film comes out. I assume Peter Travis signed a non disclosure agreement before he made the Film so it will be All Quiet on the DREDD front.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 October, 2011, 01:00:57 pm
Surely they need to do something, though. It's been nothing but bad press from day one for this film.

As I said, I feel gutted for the producers - they seem really genuine in their attempt to make a worthwhile Dredd film, and their efforts are just being met with scorn all across the internet.

Here's hoping for a kick-ass trailer, and soon.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:07:17 pm
It was always Garland, Reich and Macdonald's project. They've consistently stated their aim for the film to be a violent hard R-rated film that's true to the character. It's not like this is studio intervention. It's been their vision from the start.


but that doesn't address the nature of the current problems, Travis still 'directed' the film so it will be mostly his decisions on how it was shot that now exist and if the rumours of re-shoots are true, Garland seeking co-directing credit may hint at how extensive they need to be. Asking for a share of the credit is something that really is not called for and dangerous if the material is all mostly there. You don't hire a director, sit on his back, and expect him to fuck off after the shoot. If you want it made your way, do it yourself.

No matter what way it's spun, it's not good for the film and don't be surprised if it ends up, maybe not crap, but disjointed.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 October, 2011, 01:10:48 pm
It now seems rather telling that Travis was not quoted at all in the Empire magazine feature...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:13:15 pm
I was hoping Dredd would be 2012's District 9.


I never expected that much of it, Dredd as a film/concept would always be less of a surprise than D9. A Dredd film can be a great Dredd but massive cultural impact is out of it's hands.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:15:46 pm
It now seems rather telling that Travis was not quoted at all in the Empire magazine feature...

...or even before. I'm not taking sides but there is the possibility it's not Travis but more the fault of the other side. Truth will out...eventually.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 08 October, 2011, 01:17:17 pm
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/119/1198972p1.html

What the Hell does 'titular judge' mean in this article? Does it mean Urban's got man boobs?


 :-*

I think they meant titillating.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 01:27:48 pm
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/119/1198972p1.html

What the Hell does 'titular judge' mean in this article? Does it mean Urban's got man boobs?


 :-*
Hey if this all goes tits up, excuse the pun...maybe they could use all the crap out takes and
and make 'Carry on Dredd' instead ;-)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:31:21 pm
To me the rumors seem to have an anti-Garland slant so it may be some disgruntled sources leaking this. I assume Travis is still under contract to deliver the film so I'd say he's rather pissed off, not to say he's the source. This also doesn't bode well for sequels if this is the kind of influence Garland & Co have over production, why would any director worth their salt sign up to that?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 October, 2011, 01:36:24 pm
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This also doesn't bode well for sequels if this is the kind of influence Garland & Co have over production, why would any director worth their salt sign up to that?

Frankly the idea of them even having to cross that bridge seems unlikely at this point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Noisybast on 08 October, 2011, 01:41:14 pm
I'm not sure how valid the claims that Travis hasn't been pushed aside will turn out to be.
"Keeping up with progress via the Internet"? I'm doing that!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 01:56:08 pm
As the director, if you're not in the edit-suite, you're not on the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 October, 2011, 02:11:41 pm
I think it's a bad sign that the Director they hired to direct the Film is then cut out of the editing room. Your Director has his own image of the Film he's been commissioned to shoot while on the other side the writer and Producers have THEIR own version of the Movie. That's the problem.

The Producers tend to have a monetary view of the Production ie:Box office receipts while the writer or Director may have more Artistic goals set. You can see that some sort of conflict is inevitable but usually they can sort something out but it seems this has ended in the Nuclear option-Fire the Director.

Either Peter Travis didn't understand the world of Judge Dredd at all, something I find hard to believe since he doesn't strike me as someone who'd just do the first Film offered to him and think of the Pay check or they really had totally different views of the material to begin with. How come it took them so long to figure out they weren't 'right' for each other? Either some very poor communications were taking place or they really didn't get on and that does not bode well for the DREDD Film. 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MattJW on 08 October, 2011, 03:10:40 pm
But, creative differences or not, we have heard lots of good things about this Dredd film. The footage is in the can and it just needs to be pieced together. It's not like the director was fired halfway through, with someone else coming in to carry on shooting, a la Superman II (still a good film) and The Wolf Man.

As already noted, Blade Runner was tinkered with by the studio but I love the theatrical cut.

As long as Travis's work has created good scenes and visuals, things should be alright, providing the producers etc cut it in such a way that the movie retains artistic merit.

There is always the chance that a good director will come in to film a few bits and pieces to add to the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 08 October, 2011, 03:29:35 pm
Oh dear.

Is this a case of a director trying to fix a bad script or producers trying to fix a bad director?  Or a bit of both?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 08 October, 2011, 05:56:26 pm
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It's not like this is studio intervention. It's been their vision from the start.

I was hoping Dredd would be 2012's District 9. Really hope that it doesn't turn out to be 2012's Conan the Barbarian[/i]...


 Well, I actually very much liked this year's Conan The Barbarian. Maybe not a "great" film, but not the abomination it was made out to be, either. I feel certain a director's or extended cut will make more justice to it. The film felt like an 80's Marvel comic of Savage Sword of Conan written by Roy Thomas or Michael Fleischer. That's how the film worked for me.

 So, anyway, I, personally, could think of worse for Dredd than to turn out like CTB(2011).
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 06:10:52 pm
So, anyway, I, personally, could think of worse for Dredd than to turn out like CTB(2011).


There's optimism for ya.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 08 October, 2011, 06:28:11 pm
I still feel that the more control Alex Garland has the better the film will turn out. He has a good track record and is clearly eager to make a good film.

Pete Travis' previous films are shit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 08 October, 2011, 06:33:10 pm
This is always a bad sign, especially if they end up doing reshoots, but there's a bit of hope. It usually means the direstor hasn't covered all the "marketable points" they want - like a comedy sidekick, a love interest, and a heart warming message. That would mean there is actually a good film to be had from what was shot. We'll just have to wait for the bland theatrical cut to fail, then get a rushed DVD, then finally a "director's cut". Either way, it does't look like they expect a good box office, and are trying to "fix" the film.

- C
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 October, 2011, 06:34:31 pm
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I still feel that the more control Alex Garland has the better the film will turn out. He has a good track record and is clearly eager to make a good film.

Pete Travis' previous films are shit.

Agreed. I'd be a damn sight more worried if it were Garland, Macdonald and Reich (who between them have created some of my favourite films) getting sidelined.

I haven't seen anything Travis has worked on previously (except for the episodes of Cold Feet he directed), so can't comment on his work, though a lot of people seem to really hate Vantage Point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 06:36:03 pm
Pete Travis' previous films are shit.


Omagh is not a shit film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 08 October, 2011, 06:38:41 pm


Omagh is not a shit film.
[/quote]

OK, granted, I haven't seen that one, but Vantage Point and Endgame are awful. So considering his best film is a tv movie (according to IMDb) I stand by my previous point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 06:41:07 pm
This is always a bad sign, especially if they end up doing reshoots, but there's a bit of hope. It usually means the direstor hasn't covered all the "marketable points" they want - like a comedy sidekick, a love interest, and a heart warming message.

That doesn't apply to this film and the director doesn't 'cover' those points, the script does which would be Garland's job. The problems are probably the style and tone of what Travis was shooting in accordance with the script and how he intended for it to cut but that was what he was hired to do.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 06:44:53 pm
OK, granted, I haven't seen that one, but Vantage Point and Endgame are awful. So considering his best film is a tv movie (according to IMDb) I stand by my previous point.


Not really, TV movie or not it's only a matter of budget that separates them -it got a cinema release internationally- Omagh is a better feature script to work from than the others so maybe the problems are down to Garland?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 08:33:42 pm
Really enjoyed Vantage Point,...Travis handles high octane action really well. Hope they let him complete his job and vision on DREDD.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 October, 2011, 08:52:14 pm
According to some online Wiki reports Pete Travis originally wanted to be a Social worker. Not the best man perhaps to shoot a Movie about a violent Authority figure then. His other Films [Vantage Point,End Game] are Political thrillers with some underlying conspiracy at their heart.

 Pete Travis seems to be more a real world, Politically motivated Film maker rather than someone who would take to Militarized Science Fiction. You could argue that Judge Dredd is a Fascist and therefore has some sort of political backdrop to the story ie: Authority v's Freedom but  Politics isn't the first thing that springs to mind when you think about old stony face.

 A Film version of America would have been more to his liking. Perhaps DNA and Pete Travis really didn't understand one and other and it was just that their schedules happened to coincide.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 09:09:11 pm
According to some online Wiki reports Pete Travis originally wanted to be a Social worker. Not the best man perhaps to shoot a Movie about a violent Authority figure then.

We've all had different roles in our lives, they don't all define us.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 October, 2011, 09:17:05 pm
Amen to That Mr. Soap.

Heads up to the Star Trek reboot on the box, Urban nails Bones,...shame about Pegg though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 08 October, 2011, 09:23:14 pm
Don't Panic!Don't Panic! (Watch Dad Army for guidance)
There is a LONG time before the release date, so plenty of space to correct what is required.Garland says he grew up with Dredd ,so frankly I have far more faith in his view and the other producers than I do of Pete Travis.There is a passion from them to get this right  ,which was apparent from the start in their interviews, so I don't think they will make the mistake of making a disjointed film.Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 October, 2011, 09:27:40 pm
It all depends on what Travis' contract says. Was he required to stick around for post-prod or solely hired for the shoot?

As for there being a long time before it's released, it all depends on how any reshoots conflict with Urban's schedule if he's needed elsewhere like he is on Star Trek next year.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 08 October, 2011, 10:02:46 pm
Don't Panic!Don't Panic! (Watch Dad Army for guidance)
There is a LONG time before the release date, so plenty of space to correct what is required.Garland says he grew up with Dredd ,so frankly I have far more faith in his view and the other producers than I do of Pete Travis.There is a passion from them to get this right  ,which was apparent from the start in their interviews, so I don't think they will make the mistake of making a disjointed film.Fingers crossed

Agreed
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 08 October, 2011, 11:04:59 pm
This is always a bad sign, especially if they end up doing reshoots, but there's a bit of hope. It usually means the direstor hasn't covered all the "marketable points" they want - like a comedy sidekick, a love interest, and a heart warming message. That would mean there is actually a good film to be had from what was shot. We'll just have to wait for the bland theatrical cut to fail, then get a rushed DVD, then finally a "director's cut". Either way, it does't look like they expect a good box office, and are trying to "fix" the film.

- C

If there would be reshoots, I'd know about it, especially if it came down here. Haven't heard anything about any reshoots.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 08 October, 2011, 11:27:03 pm
This is always a bad sign, especially if they end up doing reshoots, but there's a bit of hope. It usually means the direstor hasn't covered all the "marketable points" they want - like a comedy sidekick, a love interest, and a heart warming message. That would mean there is actually a good film to be had from what was shot. We'll just have to wait for the bland theatrical cut to fail, then get a rushed DVD, then finally a "director's cut". Either way, it does't look like they expect a good box office, and are trying to "fix" the film.

- C

If there would be reshoots, I'd know about it, especially if it came down here. Haven't heard anything about any reshoots.

Probably way too early to even think about them yet. No doubt actors' schedules need to be looked at.

So curious to know what went wrong when they started looking at the movie put together. I know looking at dailies there's no real way to judge how the movie's going to look.

Was it the performances? Not enough intensity to the action scenes? The tone the producers wanted not coming through properly?

I didn't think much of Vantage Point myself, but it was more down to script stuff than Travis' abilities. He seems more than capable of dealing with the action elements.

I would hope they'll all get back on the same page and either bring Travis back to finish what he started or at the very least bring someone else in as a directing consultant to steady the ship. As good a writer as Garland is and as clearly enthusiastic as he is about Dredd, I get bad chills thinking about leaving this tidy-up to someone with no directorial experience. Even seasoned professionals would tell you how unpleasant it is to have to try address creative differences after a movie's wrapped shooting.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 09 October, 2011, 11:29:59 am
If there's going to be re-shoots I demand a place as an extra.

I'm ready for my close up Mr/Mrs-insert name of director here-

and my lines;-

"Drokk!"

"Aaaarghh!"

Ultimately there's nothing any of us can do about it. Hollywood isn't going to be worried about a few nervous types on a forum.

Travis has probably fallen out with the money men and they say what goes cos making films is a business not art as so many europeans wrongly think, which is why the US still has a film industry and we don't.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 09 October, 2011, 11:39:24 am
Pete is a very soft spoken nice bloke, and is no doubt is very good at what he does. However somehow it strikes me that he was there because they technically needed a director, because the producers were so passionate about the project. Now this, at least in my experience in SA, is unique. Usually the producers I've seen just hum and har about the money being spent.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 October, 2011, 12:20:53 pm

You're right Mick, Travis was hired as a technical craftsman, tell the crew how to set up, when to go, gather the required footage. His contract may not have strictly required him to be there for the edit, if it did he was only fulfilling his obligation while Garland & Co. are pushing for something other.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 09 October, 2011, 12:40:44 pm
So you're saying it might not be in Travis' contract to do post edit? So this hullaballoo could be absolutely nothing - simply some people not in the know, who noticed Travis wasn't around, and decided it was DRAMA! and took it to the press?

That's quite reassuring.

I don't know much about the film world and always assumed the director was involved in everything. Never knew he could be just asked to shoot and not put together. That could also explain earlier lack of talk from him re Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 09 October, 2011, 01:34:29 pm
Why would they then announce it in such a way that it sounds like Pete Travis has been thrown off the Project because he wasn't seeing eye to eye with the writer or Producers?

I guess any publicity is better than none but it seems a bit too weird to hire a Director purely to shoot the Film and then cut him out of the post production stage.

 I'm sure there's far more going on behind the scenes than we know. Let's hope this will all blow over and everyone connected with the Film get's too work on the DREDD post production stage with gusto and gumpf! Soon, perhaps early next year will see the first Trailer coming along.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 09 October, 2011, 02:18:03 pm

Travis has probably fallen out with the money men and they say what goes cos making films is a business not art as so many europeans wrongly think, which is why the US still has a film industry and we don't.

Nonsense. It's both those things. In regards to cinema, you can't have one without the other.

And Europe doesn't have a film industry like the US because one is a country and the other is a continent. France has a rather lively and profitable film industry, for example. Britain (in my opinion) has made the mistake of attempting to replicate the US system and they can't for a multitude of reasons, like money, size, locations, funding, distribution (though Britain, relative to the US, probably has more talent in terms of writers, directors, actors etc!)

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 09 October, 2011, 02:40:09 pm

Travis has probably fallen out with the money men and they say what goes cos making films is a business not art as so many europeans wrongly think, which is why the US still has a film industry and we don't.

Nonsense. It's both those things. In regards to cinema, you can't have one without the other.

And Europe doesn't have a film industry like the US because one is a country and the other is a continent. France has a rather lively and profitable film industry, for example. Britain (in my opinion) has made the mistake of attempting to replicate the US system and they can't for a multitude of reasons, like money, size, locations, funding, distribution (though Britain, relative to the US, probably has more talent in terms of writers, directors, actors etc!)

Art is money. Or at least has become so now. France may indeed have a lively film industry but even with the best will and I like many French films, can't keep pace with the Fordism of Hollywood.  Britain did once have a film industry but alas it is now just handmaiden to the US of A.(as in so many other things).

After that I still hope the Dredd film does well and is as faithful as it can be to the source. Whoever directs/edits it I wish them all the best.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 09 October, 2011, 03:27:11 pm
Hmm. Well I don't think it's as clear-cut as saying 'art is money'. One requires the other and vice versa. It's a symbiotic relationship more than a parasitic one; Art and commerce make for interesting bedfellows. People would still make art even without money (though obviously there'd be a lot less of it!). Hell, just look at all the musicians in the world!  ;)

I think Hollywood is probably less stable now than it's ever been. It's all gone boom-or-bust, and it's getting to the point where a single film/investment can take down an entire studio if it doesn't succeed. I think there are often two or three parallel film 'industries' in any country which sometimes crossover. You have mainstream, Hollywood-type films, "independent" film and actual independent/underground film!

As for Dredd: this is not good news. Someone has clearly fucked up here and they have to come in and do damage control with editing/re-shoots. This will also mean the film is going to carry around a 'stink' when it comes to publicity, as people are going to be more interested in the backroom machinations than the film itself. It's more than likely going to be mentioned in every review/article on the film.

If they do have to do re-shoots, I recommend having Dredd shave!  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 09 October, 2011, 03:34:37 pm
This will also mean the film is going to carry around a 'stink' when it comes to publicity, as people are going to be more interested in the backroom machinations than the film itself. It's more than likely going to be mentioned in every review/article on the film.

This is a good point.. It might make any reference to the film start with "the troubled.."
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 09 October, 2011, 04:02:40 pm
I have more faith in Alex Garland and the producers on this particular project than I do in Pete Travis even though I respect him as a director.

Vantage point didn't blow me away, But I put that down more to the nature of that script and the multiple viewpoints than anything else. The action scenes were quite good.

Andrew MacDonald and Alex Garland obviously have knowledge of the way Judge Dredd should be portrayed and I get the impression that they are seriously aiming to build a franchise on the strength of the first film. So I'm sure for them it has to be true to the comic and therefore unwatered down.

Having read Garlands script for Dredd and not hearing word one on the subject from Travis, I'm still confident that the film will work..


Bring on the re-shoots if that's what it'll take.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 09 October, 2011, 05:18:21 pm
I have more faith in Alex Garland and the producers on this particular project than I do in Pete Travis even though I respect him as a director.

Fair enough. But it's these same producers who made the decisions that led to this situation. If Travis wasn't right for the project, they shouldn't have hired him in the first place. To let it get to this stage in the process and shake things up to this degree kind of shows that the producers are the ones at fault here more than anyone else. They don't have control of the film that they've invested millions into.

Saying that, Garland may indeed be the right man to take over. Maybe he'll seek some directorial advice from his ol' buddy Danny Boyle. :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 October, 2011, 05:43:50 pm
According to some online Wiki reports Pete Travis originally wanted to be a Social worker. Not the best man perhaps to shoot a Movie about a violent Authority figure then.
Holy shit! I originally wanted to be a cosmonaut. Does that make my object modelling rubbish?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 09 October, 2011, 06:41:34 pm
Just because Pete Travis has now gone- doesnt mean to say that what he worked on was rubbish (quality wise)
If Alex and Andrew were on set everyday, then if Pete was turning in something not up to par he wouldn't have lasted the shoot- let alone up until now. I doubt its the footage thats the problem.

What it could mean is something someone touched upon a page or so back- Pete may be working the edit to be one sort of movie, whereas Alex may want something more from it- it might just be a difference of pace, for instance. Pete may have wanted a bit more depth, Alex may be wanting a more full on Bourne.

Its a surprise- and certainly opens up the event to lots of speculation. ....




Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 09 October, 2011, 06:47:17 pm
If anything it's got people talking again..

..waaaaaiiiit a sec..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 09 October, 2011, 07:10:21 pm
They should have a shoot out ala War Games Prog 51 and see who wins.   ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 09 October, 2011, 07:25:47 pm
It could all be part of some elaborate conspiracy by the Film makers to get everyone gossiping about the Film but I doubt it. They've had a severe difference of opinion. What can we do to influence that -zilch. Whoever is going to get the Final edit of the Film has it tough enough already.

I assume we'll know if it's a very serious falling out when some Law suit is filed in Court.  I hope relationships didn't get that bad between all the creators involved.

The Law, ironically might eventually decide whats going to happen in the end.



Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 09 October, 2011, 09:12:48 pm
Has anyone thought the because DREDD is going to be so fucking arsom that Garland want co producer in the credits.






V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 09 October, 2011, 09:46:32 pm
Has anyone thought the because DREDD is going to be so fucking arsom that Garland want co producer in the credits.






V

No. But I do now. But that's because I'm a "the glass is half -what? " kind of a goblin. Chances are it will be ultra-arsom.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: brendan1 on 09 October, 2011, 09:59:58 pm
This is really terrible news. Usually this type of "Director removed from edit" results in a hideous, bloody cinematic abortion that nobody wants to take parental responsibility for.

I fear the worst. Mind you, having read the script, I was never "fearing the best".

Oh please, just give me a great Dredd movie that makes LOTS of money for all concerned, esp Rebellion.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 09 October, 2011, 10:06:58 pm
Has anyone thought the because DREDD is going to be so fucking arsom that Garland want co producer in the credits.






V

From my understanding he is co-producer..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 09 October, 2011, 10:18:55 pm
Has anyone thought the because DREDD is going to be so fucking arsom that Garland want co producer in the credits.

From my understanding he is co-producer..
GAAAHHHH. I meant co-director.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 October, 2011, 10:24:35 pm

I fear the worst. Mind you, having read the script, I was never "fearing the best".

Oh please, just give me a great Dredd movie that makes LOTS of money for all concerned, esp Rebellion.

I thought the script was pretty spot on.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 09 October, 2011, 10:38:33 pm
It could all be part of some elaborate conspiracy by the Film makers to get everyone gossiping about the Film but I doubt it. They've had a severe difference of opinion. What can we do to influence that -zilch. Whoever is going to get the Final edit of the Film has it tough enough already.

I assume we'll know if it's a very serious falling out when some Law suit is filed in Court.  I hope relationships didn't get that bad between all the creators involved.

The Law, ironically might eventually decide whats going to happen in the end.

This is NOT what anyone wants as publicity for their movie...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 09 October, 2011, 11:44:08 pm
So last week my home IP# gets banned for some reason and then THIS happens.

Coincidence?

Or Sc*j*?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 10 October, 2011, 09:26:02 am
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Has anyone thought the because DREDD is going to be so fucking arsom that Garland want co producer in the credits.

Lots of films look like they're going to be fucking arsom. Somehow, though, on none of them do you see writers and others trying to attach their names to them as co-director.

Seriously, there's no way - despite some utter bollocks-spouting attempts here - that you can spin this into looking like anything other than a Very bad Thing for the film's prospects.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 10 October, 2011, 09:28:58 am
Still you have to find a silver lining somewhere otherwise you may as well write it off now.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 October, 2011, 09:29:50 am
Anyone knows what Sc*j*'s comments on it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 10 October, 2011, 09:36:59 am
Anyone knows what Sc*j*'s comments on it?

He's crowing about it on the scojo-destroyed wasteland that is alt.comics.2000ad. Naturally, it's all the fault of the script, and the producers should have used a proper Dredd script (i.e. his) instead.

I'm also fairly sure he's 'bleedcool' on the comments section of the Bleeding Cool story on this.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 October, 2011, 09:56:04 am
Over on gallifreybase, after spamming the movie threads for months with his photoshop abominations, he's now taking a somewhat gleeful approach to this turn of events.

Sadly, such is his impact, that talk of the mooted Rogue Trooper movie immediately turned into a discussion about how soon the thread would get clogged with bad photshoppery and discussions about helmets.

He haunts the prog thread, in his usual manner and is 'the face of fandom' it seems to the site's tens of thousands of users.

Equally sadly, over there putting endless photoshops up is fine, slagging him off is not. Many times people have been modded for having a go, while he continues ever onward.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 10 October, 2011, 10:38:08 am
Chin up! Only eleven months until we find out for sure. ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Meathook on 10 October, 2011, 10:39:19 am
Mein Gott! It's Alan Smithee all over again.................Drokk!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 10 October, 2011, 10:52:13 am
God, I'm really depressed about this.

After staying resolutely optimistic about this film throughout all the naysaying about the helmet, shoulder pads, Lawnmaster shots, Justice Department vans and everything else, I've finally admitted to myself; It's going to be shit isn't it?

Again.

For fuck's sake, can't we Dredd fans catch a break?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 October, 2011, 11:06:45 am
(http://i.imgur.com/kWSRO.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 10 October, 2011, 11:15:18 am
Cool piccy Goaty

Oh! These negative waves!

Think of how beautiful and great and arsom the film might be. It's not a fatal blow like they've run out of dosh or the distributors have gone belly up.

None of us know yet unless someone has gone to the future and seen it.

It may indeed be three Tigers versus one Sherman but the Shermans ultimately won.

This positivity is brought to you by the cosmic overmind maahnnn*



*Cosmic overmind does not guarantee no movie suck.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 10 October, 2011, 11:40:43 am
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Has anyone thought the because DREDD is going to be so fucking arsom that Garland want co producer in the credits.

Lots of films look like they're going to be fucking arsom. Somehow, though, on none of them do you see writers and others trying to attach their names to them as co-director.

Seriously, there's no way - despite some utter bollocks-spouting attempts here - that you can spin this into looking like anything other than a Very bad Thing for the film's prospects.

Gone With the Wind,
Blade Runner,
Brazil,
Apocalypse Now,
American History X

All had problems during production/ post production,  but  turned out to be great films. The list goes on and on, its sometimes just part of the process.

I'm not going to make  up my mind until I see some solid evidence i.e a trailer...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 10 October, 2011, 12:08:09 pm


I'm not going to make  up my mind until I see some solid evidence i.e a trailer...

Hey! We'll have less if that logical, reasoned and common sense approach around here, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 10 October, 2011, 12:18:31 pm


I'm not going to make  up my mind until I see some solid evidence i.e a trailer...

Hey! We'll have less if that logical, reasoned and common sense approach around here, thank you very much!

We're all doomed I tell you! DOOOOOOOOMED!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 10 October, 2011, 12:23:12 pm


I'm not going to make  up my mind until I see some solid evidence i.e a trailer...

Hey! We'll have less if that logical, reasoned and common sense approach around here, thank you very much!

We're all doomed I tell you! DOOOOOOOOMED!!!
That's more like it!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 October, 2011, 12:31:12 pm
Interesting to note that Empire have still yet to report the news...

Are they deliberately avoiding it as to not piss off Macdonald and co (who they seem to be on good terms with) or to save face following their big exclusive?

Or are they waiting on an official response from the producers, put out something proper rather than just rehash some rumours? I'm keeping my eyes on the site in any case...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 10 October, 2011, 12:43:49 pm


I'm not going to make  up my mind until I see some solid evidence i.e a trailer...

Hey! We'll have less if that logical, reasoned and common sense approach around here, thank you very much!

But he forgot to mention Star Wars (none of the cast understood the script, and the early special effects were a disaster), Jaws (the robot shark didn't work, and shooting went months over-schedule), Aliens (Cameron and his British crew developed a strong relationship of mutual loathing) and The Godfather (the studio came close several times to firing Coppolla off the movie).

There is also a far larger and considerably more ignominious list of films that parted company with their directors well into production, and suffered accordingly.

Which is Dredd? I guess we'll find out next year, but my point was that it's fairly idiotic to try and spin what's happened as a Good Thing, when it's quite clearly not.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 10 October, 2011, 12:51:53 pm
Interesting to note that Empire have still yet to report the news...

Are they deliberately avoiding it as to not piss off Macdonald and co (who they seem to be on good terms with) or to save face following their big exclusive?

Or are they waiting on an official response from the producers, put out something proper rather than just rehash some rumours? I'm keeping my eyes on the site in any case...

The LA Times Hollywood section seems to have been the first reputable source to run the story.

In journalistic terms, LA Times > Empire.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/10/director-drama-heats-up-on-dredd.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/10/director-drama-heats-up-on-dredd.html)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 10 October, 2011, 12:55:22 pm
I think it's now pretty clear as to why the film has such a late release date.

I never did believe the official line of 'waiting for the right time to release'... that's all well and good but to wait almost 18 months after the film finished shooting is taking the piss.

As I said at the time, if a studio is putting back the release date of a film 9 times outta 10 it's because they are not happy with what they have got and re shoots/re writes are required to 'fix' it.

No studio shelves a film when it could be out there making money. Especially with the ever increasing fall out with 3D, leaving the Dredd release date until late next year could further decrease the films popularity in the cinema.

This film needs released as soon as possible, fix what needs to be fixed and get it out there.

Lets hope they do manage to fix it and it doesn't go straight to DVD.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 10 October, 2011, 01:06:42 pm
maybe Garland didn't like the more near future take of Travis and wanted more flying cars put in. The extra time is needed in FX to spice it up a bit..
we can hope :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 October, 2011, 01:25:58 pm
There will be no flying Cars in this DREDD movie. Too expensive and it's the early DREDD when Justice Department has just been established so it's not to far from where we are today. Bikes, Cars will be firmly grounded.

Grounded appears to be the fate of the Movie at this moment but let's try to look on the bright side.

 They've recognized there is a problem that has led to the departure of Pete Travis. We have no idea what that problem is or was but better to find out now rather than 2 weeks before the Films release date.

That gives the Producers and Alex Garland according to some press releases just less than a year to do whatever they believe is necessary to make the Film work or make it more faithful to their idea of what DREDD is about. If it's re shoots then that's how it has to be.

Pretty depressing when it seemed to be going so well and looked very impressive from the few stills we've seen from the set. Let's hope like other Movies that seem to go all pear shaped [Casablanca was one such Film] that something worthwhile comes out of this unhappy time. 

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 10 October, 2011, 01:28:45 pm
There will be no flying Cars in this DREDD movie. Too expensive and it's the early DREDD when Justice Department has just been established so it's not to far from where we are today. Bikes, Cars will be firmly grounded.
That was kinda the point ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 10 October, 2011, 01:28:57 pm

I guess we'll find out next year, but my point was that it's fairly idiotic to try and spin what's happened as a Good Thing, when it's quite clearly not.
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Don't think anybody is really saying it's a good thing ,just trying to take some crumbs of comfort and any signs of hope whilst possibly watching our dreams being nuked.The producers are quality and if anybody can turn this around ,they can.I believe...!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 October, 2011, 02:17:03 pm
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The LA Times Hollywood section seems to have been the first reputable source to run the story.

In journalistic terms, LA Times > Empire.

Not really sure what point you're making - I was merely pointing out that it seemed curious that Empire (probably the biggest UK movie news site out there, and one with unique links to Dredd) have yet to mention this news story and speculating why that might be.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 October, 2011, 02:18:46 pm
Not really sure what point you're making - I was merely pointing out that it seemed curious that Empire (probably the biggest UK movie news site out there, and one with unique links to Dredd) have yet to mention this news story and speculating why that might be.

Maybe in next mag? Or everythings that happens last few days was just a rumour, no Fact?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 02:21:53 pm
maybe Garland didn't like the more near future take of Travis and wanted more flying cars put in. The extra time is needed in FX to spice it up a bit..
we can hope :)


No, all the major aesthetic decisions would have been made in pre-production and part of Garland's intentions for the look.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 02:23:26 pm
I was merely pointing out that it seemed curious that Empire (probably the biggest UK movie news site out there, and one with unique links to Dredd) have yet to mention this news story and speculating why that might be.


I don't think Empire matters a jot at this point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 10 October, 2011, 04:44:45 pm
From one of the stories on the Dredd movie:

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In related news, The LA Times also reveal that Jim Sheridan requested his name be removed from the credits of flop horror Dream House. The Oscar-nominated director reportedly approached the Directors Guild of America this summer, as he was so displeased with the Daniel Craig-starring thriller. The studio, Morgan Creek, released their own edit of the film following reshoots. The film opened to poor reviews, following a baffling promo campaign which included a spoiler-filled trailer. It opens in the UK this November.

Maybe Alex Garland can put his name on the director credit for that one instead (or as well)...

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 10 October, 2011, 06:25:33 pm
It seems terribly unfair to start laying blame or start badmouthing any of the people involved when all we have is a very vague report. It may be a reputable paper, but it's still vague and uncollaborated.

Once we get a statement from the folks concerned or any form of confirmation then giddyup, fire and brimstone, but until then, we really don't have a clue who to tar and feather, do we? Intelligent guessing is still guessing.

I like Garland's work. There's intelligence and humour in his scripts (and no, I haven't seen the leaked Dredd script and don't want to) so in my opinion, this alleged situation, if true, could be so much worse than him landing the directorship.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 10 October, 2011, 07:50:57 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/10/director-drama-heats-up-on-dredd.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/10/director-drama-heats-up-on-dredd.html)

There's the link to the LA times article. Mentioning films like Prince of Persia and G.I. Joe as recent examples where this happened. And using a pic from the 1995 film to boot :-X
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 October, 2011, 08:03:26 pm
They seem as almost as dissapointed at said events as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 10 October, 2011, 08:15:03 pm
I'd not put toooo much weight on the article.. Considering they also refer to it as a remake of the 95 movie..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 08:15:15 pm
This was always Garland's vehicle, Travis was only brought in as a technical director to facilitate Garland with footage gathering. If the rumours are true, maybe those 'boundaries' became blurred as Travis realised he may get shafted, for whatever reasons. If it fails, a lot of the blame should lie with Garland. The 'leak' feels as though it was deliberately released to provoke and no official statement has come forth.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 October, 2011, 08:20:44 pm
This was always Garland's vehicle, Travis was only brought in as a technical director to facilitate Garland with footage gathering. If the rumours are true, maybe those 'boundaries' became blurred as Travis realised he may get shafted, for whatever reasons. If it fails, a lot of the blame should lie with Garland. The 'leak' feels as though it was deliberately released to provoke and no official statement has come forth.

Interesting, as most of your posts on this thread just blame on Garland? You dont like him?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 08:25:27 pm
Interesting, as most of your posts on this thread just blame on Garland? You dont like him?


I don't know him or care much but if the rumours of seeking a co-directing credit are true, he's pretty much an ego-maniac, especially if he only sought for his director to act like a stooge thorugh the shoot and post-prod.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SKD on 10 October, 2011, 08:33:28 pm

I don't know him or care much but if the rumours of seeking a co-directing credit are true, he's pretty much an ego-maniac, especially if he only sought for his director to act like a stooge thorugh the shoot and post-prod.

 I think the magic word there is 'rumours'.

 Stew.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 08:40:37 pm
I think the magic word there is 'rumours'.

 Stew.

and if you read my previous post I think you'll find I emphasised that in the first place.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 10 October, 2011, 09:06:54 pm
Interesting, as most of your posts on this thread just blame on Garland? You dont like him?


I don't know him or care much but if the rumours of seeking a co-directing credit are true, he's pretty much an ego-maniac, especially if he only sought for his director to act like a stooge thorugh the shoot and post-prod.

The updated statement on the link says specifically that Garland is NOT seeking a co-director credit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 09:26:11 pm
I don't think he would legally be allowed to claim it even if he did want it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 09:28:29 pm
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 October, 2011, 09:31:31 pm
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."

Then it still ok! :) relax everyone! No panic!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 10 October, 2011, 09:32:00 pm
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."
What do you think? Damage control or the truth?
I can buy it to a certain degree and maybe Alex is still involved in a reduced capacity and that was the plan all along.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 10 October, 2011, 09:33:57 pm
I kept the faith from the start and will keep doing until the date of the release and proof will then be in the pudding.
At least it got us nuts sounding off and gave us something to feed on.






V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 09:36:12 pm
It doesn't reveal anything but Alex & DNA are the driving force behind this film, final cut is theirs since they are producing it, not Pete's. If Pete had a co-producer credit on the film it would be different. Producers hold the power.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 10 October, 2011, 09:36:49 pm
I suppose it's not much different than being a producer on a TV show and hiring directors to helm your episodes. Work-for-hire, do your job and then let the people in charge do what they want with what you've shot. Very much how it happens here on FG, for example but wasn't aware it happens on features that much.

I think I'm more confused by the joint statement than anything else I've read so far. Hard to tell if it's just a saving face damage limitation or whether it is as they say. I take some heart from it if that's the arrangement they made between themselves though.

In saying that though it's a shame this sorry affair was made public in the first place. Nobody cares about clarifications after the headlines come out...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 10 October, 2011, 09:47:47 pm
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."
What do you think? Damage control or the truth?
I can buy it to a certain degree and maybe Alex is still involved in a reduced capacity and that was the plan all along.

I'm thinking the traditional stanzas of film-making are shifting constantly. It's been a lot about pastiches since the 60's. Now , maybe the environment with Dredd is a new NEW approach. With minds like Garland AND Travis wanting to experiment with the medium and finding Dredd the perfect property on which to do so. It's low budget, the company men are seeing what the like going into their pockets and the rest is up to the creative team at their loss. It's very much in the same vein as 2000ad itself. We've got the likes of Vaughn, who self-produced Kick Ass having the same independent attitude. Even with all the post public viewing and intake remarks from people who stick by the big bucks marketeers philosophy, there's no denying there're a definite group of Idealist Realist film makers out there who want a go at showing a new vision of the medium they love. No harm in that. The only downside is another shit self indulgent film pandering to the a; corporative mega-glyphs. Or b; the creative team and their ideologies.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 October, 2011, 09:48:50 pm
 So we got all riled up for nowt?  What a palarva.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 09:51:26 pm
I suppose it's not much different than being a producer on a TV show and hiring directors to helm your episodes. Work-for-hire, do your job and then let the people in charge do what they want with what you've shot. Very much how it happens here on FG, for example but wasn't aware it happens on features that much.




It happens more than you think. Usually with big directors like Cameron, Spielberg, Nolan et al. they are co-producers and have contributed money to their productions which allows them more power over the outcome. Producers rule Hollywood and the films you see brought to screen are the ones producers have interest in seeing out there with their name on it but they have no interest in acutally slogging it out for 12 hours a day on a set with the grunts. Producers are morepowerful than directors and can have the ego to match, some consider themselves artists too. Bruckheimer & Simpson were the epitome of this grand-standing.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 10 October, 2011, 09:53:35 pm
I suppose it's not much different than being a producer on a TV show and hiring directors to helm your episodes. Work-for-hire, do your job and then let the people in charge do what they want with what you've shot. Very much how it happens here on FG, for example but wasn't aware it happens on features that much.




It happens more than you think. Usually with big directors like Cameron, Spielberg, Nolan et al. they are co-producers and have contributed money to their productions which allows them more power over the outcome. Producers rule Hollywood and the films you see brought to screen are the ones producers have interest in seeing out there with their name on it but they have no interest in acutally slogging it out for 12 hours a day on a set with the grunts. Producers are morepowerful than directors and can have the ego to match, some consider themselves artists too. Bruckheimer & Simpson were the epitome of this grand-standing.

Its what could be said is happening with The Walking Dead and the entire backlog of ABC's stuff.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 October, 2011, 09:54:40 pm
I think the real statement is plain to see:

Quote
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when tits released next year."

 :D

SBT








Note: I am JOKING. I'm sure all is fine!

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 October, 2011, 10:03:37 pm
"Help its all gone tits"?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 10:05:09 pm
Its what could be said is happening with The Walking Dead and the entire backlog of ABC's stuff.


It's always been that way in telly.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 October, 2011, 10:05:47 pm
"Help its all gone tits"?

 :thumbsup:

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 October, 2011, 10:09:49 pm
Use a different colour than black next time.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 10 October, 2011, 10:12:12 pm
I, for one, am thoroughly relieved and reassured. Going to take that joint statement at face value, because frankly, it sounds totally plausible and that hint of annoyance at the end with the 'respectfully' rings very true.

And that 'very proud of this film' just makes me very happy. I'm going to love this movie, I'm confident.

Read this article today about scientists discovering that a too optimistic brain is actually a faulty brain, but you know what? If my brain is faulty, I like it this way. Much better than sinking in dooooooooom.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SKD on 10 October, 2011, 10:15:26 pm
I think the magic word there is 'rumours'.

 Stew.

and if you read my previous post I think you'll find I emphasised that in the first place.

 Sorry Joe, I was just reiterating the 'rumour' aspect of your statement. It was a rumour after all, that Garland was after a co-director credit. As you pointed out, there had been no official statement to either confirm or deny the stories. The rumour mill had gone into overdrive and there were people on the net writing this film off, because the director may have been excluded from part of the film making process. Now i'm not too savvy with how films are made, I don't know what sort of effect this would have on the finished movie (bad or good) Or the effect the negative conjecture would have on ticket sales in eleven months time. What I do know is, come opening weekend, I'll be there with my bucket of popcorn hoping for the best and wanting to be entertained.

 Stew.

P.S. Fuck. The world has turned and 16 new replies and a statement in the time it's took me to compose my post. I'll change the tense to past n post anyway.     
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 October, 2011, 10:19:07 pm
Use a different colour than black next time.

Time for new eyes, Joe. The old ones are wearing out.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 October, 2011, 10:29:56 pm
I still have a couple of doubts ("Well, they would say that" did cross my mind), but the joint statement does go some way towards easing my worries.

I have spent the last few days wondering why - with so many extremely talented and experienced people on board for this movie and the evident confidence they appear to have in the end product - things could have been allowed to deteriorate to the level implied by the LA Times article.

Also may explain why Empire didn't run the 'story'.

Faith partially restored.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 10 October, 2011, 11:17:30 pm
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."


Well, thank fuck for that!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 10 October, 2011, 11:18:40 pm
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint statement that read, "During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties.  From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film.  This situation has been misinterpreted.  To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit.  We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."


Well, thank fuck for that!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 10 October, 2011, 11:22:36 pm
Makes you wonder why someone would spread such a malicious rumour though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 October, 2011, 11:52:17 pm
This is a relief.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 11 October, 2011, 03:43:12 am
I know it's a bit late to be discussing good people to play dredd, but just throught Nick Nolte. He's got the chin, he's got the voice. Damn, I really wish he was now. Still, Urban looks good.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 11 October, 2011, 08:49:26 am
Update, 12:23 pm. Monday: Travis and Garland released a joint

share the love.... ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 09:13:26 am
I know it's a bit late to be discussing good people to play dredd, but just throught Nick Nolte. He's got the chin, he's got the voice. Damn, I really wish he was now. Still, Urban looks good.


but he doesn't have the youth/health to run around a hot film set in a leather suit and helmet for 12 hours a day for a few months.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 09:27:31 am
Finally on Empireonline;

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

Judge Dredd Director Denies Firing
Pete Travis is still the law

Rumblings started coming from the LA Times last week that director Pete Travis was facing some issues in the Judge Dredd editing room and had been "asked to step aside". The news was leapt upon with glee by the fanboys who are perversely desparate for the film to fail, but Travis and screenwriter Alex Garland have now released a joint statement scotching the reports of Dredd's demise. Nothing to see here, peeps. Move along.

Anonymous LA Times sources "close to the production" had reported that there were tensions and "creative disagreements" between the producers and executives in charge of rescuing Joe Dredd from the ignominy of the Stallone film. According to the story, writer/producer Garland (28 Days Later, Sunshine) was running post-production alone, and seeking a co-director credit for his efforts. Potential reshoots were also mentioned, with a question mark over who'd man the cameras for them.

But, say Travis and Garland now, "During all stages of the filmmaking, Dredd has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties. From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film. This situation has been misinterpreted. To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit. We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when it's released next year."

The truth, or damage limitation? Are Travis and Garland the Reynolds and Costner of the 21st Century, or are they really the best of pals being misrepresented? We'll keep you updated on the drama.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 11 October, 2011, 09:35:55 am
Finally on Empireonline;

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

The news was leapt upon with glee by the fanboys who are perversely desparate for the film to fail, but Travis and screenwriter Alex Garland have now released a joint statement scotching the reports of Dredd's demise.


I don't understand this part, is a fan boy just a fan? Why would they think fans are desperate for the film to fail?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 11 October, 2011, 09:45:47 am
Well, my mind has officially been put to rest. I wonder who started these rumours in the first place though...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 11 October, 2011, 09:46:45 am
Finally on Empireonline;

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

The news was leapt upon with glee by the fanboys who are perversely desparate for the film to fail, but Travis and screenwriter Alex Garland have now released a joint statement scotching the reports of Dredd's demise.


I don't understand this part, is a fan boy just a fan? Why would they think fans are desperate for the film to fail?
I think there are one or two out there not vacating the board here.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 09:51:08 am
Well, my mind has officially been put to rest. I wonder who started these rumours in the first place though...

Does the media think Scojo leader of the 2000AD fans?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 11 October, 2011, 09:51:38 am
Finally on Empireonline;

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

The news was leapt upon with glee by the fanboys who are perversely desparate for the film to fail, but Travis and screenwriter Alex Garland have now released a joint statement scotching the reports of Dredd's demise.


I don't understand this part, is a fan boy just a fan? Why would they think fans are desperate for the film to fail?
I think there are one or two out there not vacating the board here.

I think this might just be Sc*j*'s single handed idiotic hate campaign. He's on every frigging movie website on the internet under different names slagging the film off to all and sundry.

The fucking tool.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 10:03:14 am
Notice one of his posts;

I love JD as much as the next fan - and we've got that crappy film coming out next year (can't wait hee hee) - but I know 100 percent what is wrong with Judge Dredd

WHAT THE W**KER!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 11 October, 2011, 10:05:02 am
its unfortunate if Empire are seeing that cunt as the voice of fandom. Can we petition them to show them it aint so.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 October, 2011, 10:10:08 am
Can you put up a link to his stuff as I can't find it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 10:11:23 am
Can you put up a link to his stuff as I can't find it.

http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/5238611/scojo_suggestion_judge_dredd_should_be_killed_off (http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/5238611/scojo_suggestion_judge_dredd_should_be_killed_off)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 11 October, 2011, 10:18:17 am
I'm liking that you used freak search :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 October, 2011, 10:19:51 am
Dear God, it's quite sad really.
Now that's what you get with care in the community!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 10:28:40 am
Found his reply on the news of Director Forced off;

If this is genuine - major (if shocking) news

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22037/-dredd-director-forced-off-production

This means the film is in major trouble. Huge creative differences similar to the 1995 film.

"Those in charge of the production apparently "did not see eye-to-eye on footage Travis was delivering".

I'm not going to gloat because I love Judge Dredd but it's people making a film with no clear vision. It's sad. I wish Rebellion had never allowed Garland's bland screenplay to have been used. Talk about uninspired. I guess the problems with the film do stem back to the screenplay and Travis wanting to stick to it or to change it and DNA and Rebellion not sure if his approach is right.

Whatever the reason the film will most likely be crappy and underperform at the box office. It's a great pity because a proper Judge Dredd film - one that embraces the material and is not embarrassed by it (and it's clear DNA Films is embarrassed by the comic character hence the changes to the uniform, removing the word Judge from the title) could be incredibl

 . Sadly, Dredd is not going to be incredible. It may not even end up being mediocre.

Rebellion should have given my screenplays a chance. They were more faithful in spirit than Garland's generic Die Hard in a MC-1 block storyline. Jock emailed me not that long ago, we had a chat, and I reckon he would have been happy to have storyboarded a section of it (for a moderate fee, of course) had Rebellion given my screenplays a chance. Anyway, never mind. It wasn't to be. But it's sad to see another Judge Dredd film being ruined by people with no clear vision. Ultimately it comes down to that - a clear vision. Without that clear vision the film will end up a mess. And that seems to the case with Dredd 2012.

:(

scojo
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 October, 2011, 10:30:19 am
Good on Empire for not reporting this until they actually HAD something to report. They've gone up in my estimations. Sad though how every two-bit blog that regurgitated the original rumours exaggerated it yet further.

Does kinda make you wonder why the producers didn't deny the story when the LA Times asked for a comment, though...

It's worth remembering that a movie set is a place of work, and as such there are bound to be all the usual office politics and petty disputes, sounds to me like this is one such situation that got a bit out of hand and became blown out of proportion. As others have said, it sounds like this 'story' was 'leaked' by a disgruntled crew member who has their own axe to grind.

A few years ago, my girlfriend worked on the set of an animated film which had a similar budget to Dredd. The film was made in similarly unorthodox fashion - apparently the director wasn't on-set all of the time, and often essentially directed the it from abroad, tracking progress at the set online. Needless to say, there were those among the crew who had gripes about this, leading to a senior crew member shooting his mouth off in the press. It caused a bit of a stink, but at the end of the day, the film turned out to be great and showed no signs of being a 'troubled' production.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 11 October, 2011, 10:39:13 am
it sounds like this 'story' was 'leaked' by a disgruntled crew member who has their own axe to grind.

Erm, that sounds like someone we know...




Just kidding Michael  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 11:41:06 am
It's sad that someone like that!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 11 October, 2011, 11:44:48 am


Does kinda make you wonder why the producers didn't deny the story when the LA Times asked for a comment, though...



It was basically just a day or so, you know, despite how it seemed like forever to us who were on tenterhooks.

And frankly, once a rumour's out, no amount of denial can really shut it down. As we're seeing now. And the darker the rumour, the more staying power it seems to have.

The leakers don't even have to have malicious intent. Some people get a kick out of thinking they're in the know, even if they're fringe at best, and the thought of being 'sourced' on an major paper probably gave them happy times. Asses.

To be perfectly honest, I don't even care anymore about how good it is. I think I'm all anxioused out. Just the fact I can look forward to seeing a Dredd on the big screen next year is the happy I'm determined to cling to for dear life.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 11 October, 2011, 11:48:19 am
it sounds like this 'story' was 'leaked' by a disgruntled crew member who has their own axe to grind.

Erm, that sounds like someone we know...




Just kidding Michael  :lol:

Psh..   ::)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 October, 2011, 11:54:25 am
I saw this comment over on Slashfilm - I pretty agree with this guy's take on the situation.

Quote
My totally unfounded guess at what's happening:
This is Producer/Screenwriter Garland's baby, and he hired Pete Travis to shoot it since he hadn't directed a movie before. He wrote the script, he's the shot caller in the editing room.
There, not so complex right?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 October, 2011, 12:00:14 pm
Radiator - Fantastic Mr Fox?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 11 October, 2011, 12:04:37 pm
I saw this comment over on Slashfilm - I pretty agree with this guy's take on the situation.

Quote
My totally unfounded guess at what's happening:
This is Producer/Screenwriter Garland's baby, and he hired Pete Travis to shoot it since he hadn't directed a movie before. He wrote the script, he's the shot caller in the editing room.
There, not so complex right?

+1 on that one..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 11 October, 2011, 12:09:11 pm
Rebellion should have given my screenplays a chance. They were more faithful in spirit than Garland's generic Die Hard in a MC-1 block storyline. Jock emailed me not that long ago, we had a chat, and I reckon he would have been happy to have storyboarded a section of it (for a moderate fee, of course) had Rebellion given my screenplays a chance. Anyway, never mind. It wasn't to be. But it's sad to see another Judge Dredd film being ruined by people with no clear vision. Ultimately it comes down to that - a clear vision. Without that clear vision the film will end up a mess. And that seems to the case with Dredd 2012.

:(

scojo

I'd like to read that script of his. Anyone have a copy ?

- C
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 October, 2011, 12:21:48 pm
I saw this comment over on Slashfilm - I pretty agree with this guy's take on the situation.

Quote
My totally unfounded guess at what's happening:
This is Producer/Screenwriter Garland's baby, and he hired Pete Travis to shoot it since he hadn't directed a movie before. He wrote the script, he's the shot caller in the editing room.
There, not so complex right?

+1 on that one..



That sounds about right to me. I'm just happy there's somebody on the project that  has a clear vision of how the movie should be made.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 11 October, 2011, 12:28:53 pm
I saw this comment over on Slashfilm - I pretty agree with this guy's take on the situation.

Quote
My totally unfounded guess at what's happening:
This is Producer/Screenwriter Garland's baby, and he hired Pete Travis to shoot it since he hadn't directed a movie before. He wrote the script, he's the shot caller in the editing room.
There, not so complex right?

+1 on that one..



That sounds about right to me. I'm just happy there's somebody on the project that  has a clear vision of how the movie should be made.

+2 and ditto.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 11 October, 2011, 12:53:03 pm
Rebellion should have given my screenplays a chance. They were more faithful in spirit than Garland's generic Die Hard in a MC-1 block storyline. Jock emailed me not that long ago, we had a chat, and I reckon he would have been happy to have storyboarded a section of it (for a moderate fee, of course) had Rebellion given my screenplays a chance. Anyway, never mind. It wasn't to be. But it's sad to see another Judge Dredd film being ruined by people with no clear vision. Ultimately it comes down to that - a clear vision. Without that clear vision the film will end up a mess. And that seems to the case with Dredd 2012.

:(

scojo

I'd like to read that script of his. Anyone have a copy ?

- C

It's the 'had a chat with Jock' bit that gets me... 'happy to storyboard'... etc.....
I'd really like to hear Jocks take on that chat.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 11 October, 2011, 01:20:39 pm
Buddy - 'Jock' is just the name of one of his many imaginary friends, also the name of his pet hamster -Which one he was talking to remains unclear at this time.......
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 October, 2011, 01:28:39 pm
I tweeted a link to reply #213 to Jock and his reply was
Quote
mental
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 01:30:12 pm
I tweeted a link to reply #213 to Jock and his reply was
Quote
mental

Love that! Like when US Commander reply to German Commander "Nuts!"
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: johnnystress on 11 October, 2011, 01:50:08 pm
has this been posted?

Here is the official statement from the Alex garland and Pete Travis - "During all stages of the filmmaking, Dredd has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties. From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film. This situation has been misinterpreted. To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit. We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next yea
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 02:03:07 pm
Oh for god sake, Scojo or Scott Nestel is Dreddhead123 making a comment in Empireonline report today!

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 02:16:55 pm
http://www.empireonline.com/Forum/tm.asp?m=3215267&mpage=1&key=&NID=0#3217220 (http://www.empireonline.com/Forum/tm.asp?m=3215267&mpage=1&key=&NID=0#3217220)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 11 October, 2011, 02:17:52 pm
Oh for god sake, Scojo or Scott Nestel is Dreddhead123 making a comment in Empireonline report today!

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

Ha Ha! Nice going Goaty and James! You showed that loser who the real fans are.

I'm going to sign up and stick it to him as well.

Let's have a Sc*j* watch. If anyone spots any of his demented burblings on a website, let us know on here and we can all sign up and out him as the raving lunatic that he is.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 11 October, 2011, 02:29:29 pm
We should have some kind of agreed username, and prewritten text that we automatically just post in reply to his bollocks, whenever he pops up somewhere, along with an explanation of why this is necessary.

But written in such a way so as not to open this board up for accusations of cyberbullying.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 11 October, 2011, 02:42:54 pm
We should have some kind of agreed username, and prewritten text that we automatically just post in reply to his bollocks, whenever he pops up somewhere, along with an explanation of why this is necessary.

But written in such a way so as not to open this board up for accusations of cyberbullying.

SBT

Yes, I suppose we need to be careful of that.

I get so annoyed with him though. He keeps regurgetating the same old crap over and over again and he's so prolific that not only is he seemingly viewed as 'The Voice of Dredd Fans', he's also negatively colouring the opinion of casual punters about the new film.

Maybe, instead of drawing attention to him, we should just flood sites that he frequents with reasonable comments. At least then he'll look like he's in the minority.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 11 October, 2011, 03:14:19 pm
Bloody nora.. I did a bit of googling, and this individual has been around for quite a bit.. Found stuff going back to him being a toss way back in 2004.. Apparently he smells like cabbage. I found that entertaining.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 11 October, 2011, 03:58:38 pm
I tweeted a link to reply #213 to Jock and his reply was
Quote
mental

Yes... he really is.

I used to think he was just... you know.... mental in a kinda 'he's mental' kinda way.

But it's clear now he really is mental.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 11 October, 2011, 04:31:35 pm
(http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/features/interviews/2005/grant/mental.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 October, 2011, 04:52:22 pm
We should have some kind of agreed username, and prewritten text that we automatically just post in reply to his bollocks, whenever he pops up somewhere, along with an explanation of why this is necessary.

But written in such a way so as not to open this board up for accusations of cyberbullying.

SBT



Let's unite to form the SCOJO TERROR DEFENSE team - or STD for short.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 11 October, 2011, 04:54:26 pm
Well I've always been approaching the movie like any good Irishman should: Assume it's going to be pants, lowering any expectation whatsoever so I can't be disappointed with what I get. (Mind you, I tried that approach with Conan and it didn't help.)

This update from Garland and Travis isn't going to do anything to change my thinking. Still think it's just damage-control in the end. Of all the movies that get made every single year that no doubt have blazing disagreements between producers, screenwriters, directors and actors most of those stories don't leak out to the public without elements of truth attached.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 05:06:26 pm
in Darkhorizons; http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22055/denial-issued-over-dredd-controversy (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22055/denial-issued-over-dredd-controversy)

On Friday came the news via The LA Times that suggested that director Pete Travis looked to have been removed from the production of "Dredd" during the midst of post-production due to a disagreement with the producers.

At the time writer/producer Alex Garland reportedly had stepped in as his replacement. Today though, Travis and Garland have issued a joint official statement to 24 Frames:

"During all stages of the filmmaking, 'Dredd' has been a collaboration between a number of dedicated creative parties. From the outset we decided on an unorthodox collaboration to make the film. This situation has been misinterpreted.

To set the record straight, Pete was not fired and remains a central part of the collaboration, and Alex is not seeking a co-director credit. We are all extremely proud of the film we have made, and respectfully suggest that it is judged on viewing when its released next year."

A fairly blatant attempt at spin with the details kept decidedly vague and not flat out denying the claim but rather saying some of its details were misinterpreted or over exaggerated, which is a fair enough claim.

No doubt a more prepared and detailed statement explaining events will be forthcoming during publicity rounds closer to the film's release. "Dredd" remains on target for a September 21st 2012 release in North America.


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 11 October, 2011, 05:22:34 pm
OK, I think I am beginning to get an idea why people think the 'fan boys' want it to fail. By the sounds of things this scojo is a real bastard. Can he not just be band from the forums if enough people don't like him?

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 11 October, 2011, 05:33:14 pm
By the sounds of things it's borderline a beating up around the back of the next comic convention, let alone being banned..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 11 October, 2011, 05:52:07 pm
Oh for god sake, Scojo or Scott Nestel is Dreddhead123 making a comment in Empireonline report today!

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

Ha Ha! Nice going Goaty and James! You showed that loser who the real fans are.

I'm going to sign up and stick it to him as well.

Let's have a Sc*j* watch. If anyone spots any of his demented burblings on a website, let us know on here and we can all sign up and out him as the raving lunatic that he is.


Anyone so inclined might want to noise him up on the Bleeding Cool comments section, where he's posting as 'bleedcool'.  He does get around.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?47942-Judge-Dredd-Filmmakers-Release-Official-Statement-So-What-s-Going-On (http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?47942-Judge-Dredd-Filmmakers-Release-Official-Statement-So-What-s-Going-On)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 11 October, 2011, 06:01:03 pm
If an individual is particularly unpleasant, mentally unstable and damaging to 2000AD and it's fans, do they win the Krill Tro Scojo Award?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 06:39:54 pm
You just want every reward Pete.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 06:51:44 pm
I saw this comment over on Slashfilm - I pretty agree with this guy's take on the situation.

Quote
My totally unfounded guess at what's happening:
This is Producer/Screenwriter Garland's baby, and he hired Pete Travis to shoot it since he hadn't directed a movie before. He wrote the script, he's the shot caller in the editing room.
There, not so complex right?


As I've written on this thread previously a producer credit can usurp a director credit, unless of course Travis had a co-producer credit himself ala Nolan, Cameron, Spielberg et al. If you have nothing to do with the financing/producing of the film, you generally have little in the way of final say in the edit unless it's a very gracious studio which is rare. The production was well under way with Garland and DNA as they were the progenitors of the project, everything was organized, the shoot schedule script etc. but they lack a technical a director to facilitate the shoot which is why Travis was brought in.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 October, 2011, 07:12:38 pm
Yeah - it's why Duncan Jones turned down the opportunity to direct - he's a big fan of 2000ad, and had a very specific vision of how he wanted to do a Dredd movie, visually and script-wise - which as you say had by that point already been set in stone by DNA.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 October, 2011, 07:40:17 pm
If an individual is particularly unpleasant, mentally unstable and damaging to 2000AD and it's fans, do they win the Krill Tro Scojo Award?

I think you'd have to go some to equal him.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 11 October, 2011, 08:38:57 pm
Man, i'm quite annoyed about this now. Was looking for news to see if anything new had come up, and there are so many news websites just writing the film off as a flop already. A trailer hasn't even been released yet!

If the film does turn out good, all this won't really matter, but it's still annoying to see.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 11 October, 2011, 08:44:25 pm
It's amazing how one person can cause so much shit and how people get suckered into him.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 11 October, 2011, 08:44:45 pm
Man, i'm quite annoyed about this now. Was looking for news to see if anything new had come up, and there are so many news websites just writing the film off as a flop already. A trailer hasn't even been released yet!

If the film does turn out good, all this won't really matter, but it's still annoying to see.


Unfortunately, you get one headline with every movie. Either it's positive or it's negative and that one headline can have horrific repercussions for the final product, regardless of how well it turns out.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 11 October, 2011, 08:46:37 pm
There's about 12 months till release. A decent teaser or trailer will assuage a lot of fears.

It was a pity that so many blogs/sites jumped on speculating about rumours without any facts/confirmations from the offical people involved. That co-director stuff was pure nonsense. Fair play to Empire for sticking to the facts, in this case.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 October, 2011, 08:48:33 pm
There's about 12 months till release. A decent teaser or trailer will assuage a lot of fears.

11 Months. Chill out everyone, it will be okay!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 11 October, 2011, 08:49:52 pm
People love bad news. How many main tabloid headlines are good for the soul. Shit sells I'm afraid.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 11 October, 2011, 09:10:07 pm
Shit sells I'm afraid.


Which explains how 10000BC made so much money..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 09:23:11 pm
Then Jimp Stallone '95 should've made billions.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 October, 2011, 09:58:11 pm
I don't think the majority of the cinema going public frequent sites like Aintitcool or Bleedingcool or listen to trolls who post on such sites as if they did films such as Captain America or Thor which were panned and ridiculed on these sites wouldn't of enjoyed the box office success they had.

A cool trailer and good reviews will have much more impact than gossip and conjecture from a few internet trolls and fuckwits like Scojo.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 10:02:56 pm
I don't think the majority of the cinema going public frequent sites like Aintitcool or Bleedingcool or listen to trolls who post on such sites


No, but the majority of the demographic Dredd is aimed at do.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 October, 2011, 10:13:51 pm
I don't think the majority of the cinema going public frequent sites like Aintitcool or Bleedingcool or listen to trolls who post on such sites


No, but the majority of the demographic Dredd is aimed at do.

So that's about 0.5% of the potential cinema audience?

Seriously, if anyone's influenced by the internet in their decision making process than they need their heads tested and there's little hope for humanity!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 11 October, 2011, 10:18:22 pm
I don't think the majority of the cinema going public frequent sites like Aintitcool or Bleedingcool or listen to trolls who post on such sites as if they did films such as Captain America or Thor which were panned and ridiculed on these sites wouldn't of enjoyed the box office success they had.

A cool trailer and good reviews will have much more impact than gossip and conjecture from a few internet trolls and fuckwits like Scojo.

Yep that's true but as they're the only people discussing subjects like these, that's all the general public gets to hear so it's the same result. Thor and Captain America weren't universally panned leading up to their releases though. Anything I read seemed 50-50 in regards to pre-publicity. They had enough good word-of-mouth which the trailers reinforced.

Plus, they didn't have to deal with "creative disagreements" rumors breaking out almost a year before the release.

The reviews are going to have to knock Dredd out of the park. If not, every review is going to focus on this recent rumor...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 11 October, 2011, 10:21:01 pm
I don't think the majority of the cinema going public frequent sites like Aintitcool or Bleedingcool or listen to trolls who post on such sites


No, but the majority of the demographic Dredd is aimed at do.

So that's about 0.5% of the potential cinema audience?

Seriously, if anyone's influenced by the internet in their decision making process than they need their heads tested and there's little hope for humanity!

Of course people are influenced by the internet. Rottentomatoes, anyone? I sure as fuck use it before I go see a movie. Not saying it'll stop me seeing a movie I think looks interesting but it'll certainly prepare me a bit.

Also, there's no point talking about tiny percentages of the general public and their cinema-going habits. Dredd's only going to appeal to a tiny percentage of that public, even if it's fucking fantastic.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 10:21:35 pm
Potential cinema audience? If you take the extreme end being an Avatar style mass audience where nuclear families en masse will see it and the other being a Red State non-entity that'll attract a few die-hards. I'd say Dredd will be sliding at least some distance closer to the latter so yes that demographic will be more important than the general audience.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 10:22:44 pm
It's those sites that've contributed greatly to a small film like Drive being a genre success.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 11 October, 2011, 10:25:20 pm
I am pretty sure Empire will stay supportive of this movie during it's build up, so that's a good thing. They have a lot of readers and I generally agree with their reviews.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 10:26:10 pm
That's mainly because it's a British mag, no point shitting on your own doorstep.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 October, 2011, 10:35:04 pm
I don't think the majority of the cinema going public frequent sites like Aintitcool or Bleedingcool or listen to trolls who post on such sites


No, but the majority of the demographic Dredd is aimed at do.

So that's about 0.5% of the potential cinema audience?

Seriously, if anyone's influenced by the internet in their decision making process than they need their heads tested and there's little hope for humanity!

Of course people are influenced by the internet. Rottentomatoes, anyone? I sure as fuck use it before I go see a movie. Not saying it'll stop me seeing a movie I think looks interesting but it'll certainly prepare me a bit.

Also, there's no point talking about tiny percentages of the general public and their cinema-going habits. Dredd's only going to appeal to a tiny percentage of that public, even if it's fucking fantastic.

And that's why I said a good review will have more impact. Rotten tomatoes just compiles all the reviews from critics and makes an average percentage to create an overal figure.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 October, 2011, 10:38:51 pm
And you obviously weren't reading Aintitcool during pre-production of Thor or Captain America because the responce from leaked photos (sound familiar?) were universally derided by the resident trolls.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 October, 2011, 10:50:23 pm
Potential cinema audience? If you take the extreme end being an Avatar style mass audience where nuclear families en masse will see it and the other being a Red State non-entity that'll attract a few die-hards. I'd say Dredd will be sliding at least some distance closer to the latter so yes that demographic will be more important than the general audience.



Dredd has far more in common with other action fare like the Lionsgate movie Expendables- that did very respectable box office,  than a niche movie like Red State in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 11:15:13 pm
It has more in common with the new Ghost Rider flick -looking pretty good- than most other stuff and that is hardcore comic genre audience.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 11:18:01 pm
Dredd has far more in common with other action fare like the Lionsgate movie Expendables- that did very respectable box office,  than a niche movie like Red State in my opinion.

My point was it is closer to cult than mass audience and cults congregate in unholy quorum on such sites.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 11 October, 2011, 11:22:31 pm
I think this film will attract enough initial cinema goers to be a success. You've got some respected names (garland, urban), sexy woman (Headey and Thirlby) an already established die-hard fan base (2000ad), action fans in general will probably check it out (especially if it's a R), empire and bleeding cool seem very supportive so you have their readers too, and we're still yet to have a trailer.

And as long as it is good, it will probably receive more praise when taking into account rumours of troubled production and the previous dredd film. ( I'm basing that last bit on the reviews of predators which was higher then they should have been mostly due to the fact it was compared to the more recent previous instalments like the AVP fiascos and predator 2)

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 11 October, 2011, 11:53:53 pm
Oh for god sake, Scojo or Scott Nestel is Dreddhead123 making a comment in Empireonline report today!

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32186)

Ha Ha! Nice going Goaty and James! You showed that loser who the real fans are.

I'm going to sign up and stick it to him as well.

Let's have a Sc*j* watch. If anyone spots any of his demented burblings on a website, let us know on here and we can all sign up and out him as the raving lunatic that he is.


Anyone so inclined might want to noise him up on the Bleeding Cool comments section, where he's posting as 'bleedcool'.  He does get around.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?47942-Judge-Dredd-Filmmakers-Release-Official-Statement-So-What-s-Going-On (http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?47942-Judge-Dredd-Filmmakers-Release-Official-Statement-So-What-s-Going-On)

He's just admitted who he is on the Empire thread.

"ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

"Apparently he thought they should have chosen his screenplay over the guy who did 28 Days Later, Sunshine, Never Let Me Go etc... ah, the internet."

Well I'm happy to put it to the test. If anyone can name a good site where you can host screenplays, tell me. I'll host the two screenplays I wrote and people can read them."
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 October, 2011, 11:58:55 pm
He never hides himself well, you can usually guess on the first post.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 12 October, 2011, 02:34:01 am
I think this film will attract enough initial cinema goers to be a success. You've got some respected names (garland, urban), sexy woman (Headey and Thirlby) an already established die-hard fan base (2000ad), action fans in general will probably check it out (especially if it's a R), empire and bleeding cool seem very supportive so you have their readers too, and we're still yet to have a trailer.

And as long as it is good, it will probably receive more praise when taking into account rumours of troubled production and the previous dredd film. ( I'm basing that last bit on the reviews of predators which was higher then they should have been mostly due to the fact it was compared to the more recent previous instalments like the AVP fiascos and predator 2)

 I just hope Dredd doesn't fall prey to the type misconception on the part of the media(and audience) that very much plagued Conan The Barbarian, by being percieved as a remake.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 October, 2011, 08:49:49 am
I just hope Dredd doesn't fall prey to the type misconception on the part of the media(and audience) that very much plagued Conan The Barbarian, by being percieved as a remake.


What plagued Conan was that it was a bad film. No one cared about misconceptions.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 12 October, 2011, 09:36:42 am
I agree that it's more action flick fare than Ghost Rider/ Conan, so yeah, definitely more attractive to a wider audience.

Also, all the women I know are going for Urban alone, the deal sweetened by the kickass women characters. You're thinking a handful of women in my circle, true, but these women have their own women circles and if you ever heard them talk, you'd know why I'm confident. They went to Priest, and even after seeing it, buying the dvd... Nuff said.

And he won a lot of Trekkers over with his McCoy, and they're quite numerous and supportive. Can't discount their turnout. Since I'm quite a lover of Trek myself, I'm not just talking out my arse.

And there's Garland. Would you go see a film just based on the writer/producer/director/insertnameofchoiceinwhatevercapacity? I do. I'd go see Tintin even if the only name I recognised was Steven Moffat.

In short, I just think there's more reasons to be hopeful than not.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 October, 2011, 10:07:24 am
Found Scojo in Dredd 2012 Imdb as My_Name_Is_Top_Secret;

one of his reply on "Worse than Conan"; Can guess Net Geek is himself as well! ARSEHOLE!

Well the positive view is:

Don't judge a book by its cover (or a film by its poster). What I mean is, the film is still in post production, no actual footage has been released. Who knows, even if the film needs reshooting or re-editing the action could be great. Have faith.

The negative view is:

These people are utterly clueless. The screenplay - WHICH WAS LEAKED! (who leaked it?) - wasn't that great and nothing we've seen suggests the finished film will be good. And all the bad press at the moment is the kiss of death for the film's box office chances.

And the alternate view is:

I think Net Geek's two Judge Dredd screenplays were much better than Garland's effort and should have been considered.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 October, 2011, 10:12:11 am
Found Scojo in Dredd 2012 Imdb as My_Name_Is_Top_Secret;


I think Net Geek's two Judge Dredd screenplays were much better than Garland's effort and should have been considered. [/b]

I thought the leaked script was pretty good, don't know why he keeps going on about that. And considering they surely know it had been leaked, and there were still some spelling errors in it, it's probably going to change a bit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 October, 2011, 10:12:32 am
At the end of the day no one has a clue how it will do at the box office. Even if it gets great reviews across the board it could still flop, sadly. Quality is by no means an indication of how well a movie will perform - hence the likes of Pirates of the Caribbean making a shitload of money. Even positive early buzz is no indication of success - just ask the makers of Kick-Ass and Scott Pilgrim.

My guess would be the same as Michael VKs - it will do Ok, but not great at the box office, but will do quite well on DVD/home formats. I imagine that it will build up a cult audience over time, perhaps enough to warrant a sequel, perhaps not.

I do agree that it's going to be marketed more as a hardcore, balls-out action film than a superhero or Sci-fi one - probably pitching to the same audience as the aforementioned The Expendables and the likes of Gamer, 300, The Transporter, Crank etc. In that respect tweaking the subject matter to near-future rather than overtly sci-fi makes a lot of sense.

Though 3D has become a bit of a dirty word, it's a feature of Dredd that may help the film's prospects. From what I've heard, they've done some pretty cool things with the 3D (building new camera rigs, shooting in 3D rather than doing a shoddy post-convert) and it could really help if it builds a rep as a 3D experience that's actually worth going to see.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 12 October, 2011, 10:30:14 am
You're kidding, surely? I don't think Karl Urban's starred in a hit film yet. (And that's starred - i.e. him as the lead actor playing the lead character, so no Star Trek, Red or Lord of the Rings.)  Doom, Pathfinder and Priest (although he was second fiddle in that) were all attempts to launch him as an action star, and all of them were flops.

On the basis of available evidence so far, he's pretty solid in second banana parts (his McCoy was good - although you could have taken that character out the film and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to anything) and he makes a great villain (Red, Bourne Supremacy and maybe Chronicles of Riddick) but he's yet to prove he can open a film on his own, as lead actor.

The logic that Trekkers are going to go and see Dredd because he played McCoy doesn't hold up. They didn't go and see Chris Pine in the big budget flop Unstoppable - and he's only Captain friggin' Kirk,  - so why would this work for the guy who plays McCoy?

And all these women fans of his, who still couldn't make his other starring vehicles a success  - they're going to go and see him in a film where his face is covered up the entire time?

I like Karl Urban - I do - but it's a big jump to assume he's going to be an major audience draw.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 October, 2011, 10:34:23 am
You're kidding, surely? I don't think Karl Urban's starred in a hit film yet. (And that's starred - i.e. him as the lead actor playing the lead character, so no Star Trek, Red or Lord of the Rings.)  Doom, Pathfinder and Priest (although he was second fiddle in that) were all attempts to launch him as an action star, and all of them were flops.

On the basis of available evidence so far, he's pretty solid in second banana parts (his McCoy was good - although you could have taken that character out the film and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to anything) and he makes a great villain (Red, Bourne Supremacy and maybe Chronicles of Riddick) but he's yet to prove he can open a film on his own, as lead actor.

The logic that Trekkers are going to go and see Dredd because he played McCoy doesn't hold up. They didn't go and see Chris Pine in the big budget flop Unstoppable - and he's only Captain friggin' Kirk,  - so why would this work for the guy who plays McCoy?

And all these women fans of his, who still couldn't make his other starring vehicles a success  - they're going to go and see him in a film where his face is covered up the entire time?

I like Karl Urban - I do - but it's a big jump to assume he's going to be an major audience draw.

Well he was really good in Out of the Blue.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 12 October, 2011, 10:44:34 am
I thought he was great in Bourne Supremacy
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: GordonR on 12 October, 2011, 10:50:42 am
Well he was really good in Out of the Blue.

You mean the film that - according to imdb - made $728 at the US box office?

The issue isn't whether he's good, it's whether he's got box office appeal as a lead actor, and will bring people to the Dredd movie.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 12 October, 2011, 11:12:19 am
Which on is he?

http://www.ootb.org.uk/ (http://www.ootb.org.uk/)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 October, 2011, 11:13:19 am
Which on is he?

http://www.ootb.org.uk/ (http://www.ootb.org.uk/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Blue_(2006_film) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Blue_(2006_film))
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 12 October, 2011, 11:14:09 am
I'm just saying Urban has his own appeal, and yes, even with his face covered up they are going. Some are wailing and rending their clothes over it, but they are still going.

As for Trekkers, even those who hated nuTrek were mostly won over by his McCoy, and liked him over even Captain friggin' Kirk himself. Myself, I thought Chris Pine did a fantastic job. Very impressed.

No, I'm not saying he will draw the masses in and make Dredd a success, although good for him - and us -  if it does; I'm just saying Dredd will appeal to a wider audience than die-hard fanboys who haunt the net/comic fans/ sword and sorcery fans/ sci-fi fans. Dredd doesn't appear niche or cult - comic Dredd, yes, but not this film Dredd.

I actually liked Pathfinder and Doom and Riddick (which is getting a sequel and he will be back for it), all could be better but still, far from terrible fare. Priest, not so much, at all, which was a shame because the imagery was, as mentioned by others before, pretty good post apocalyptic Dreddesque. The scriptwriter needs a good spanking.

All in all, I'm saying we have a good cast, a good scriptwriter, a good director even if only hired for his technical skills, and a strong assurance that they care for Dredd - and a film that should appeal to a wide audience rather than niche. Frankly, optimism makes more sense than this pervading sense of doom that's colouring some opinions now.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 12 October, 2011, 11:24:48 am
You're kidding, surely? I don't think Karl Urban's starred in a hit film yet. (And that's starred - i.e. him as the lead actor playing the lead character, so no Star Trek, Red or Lord of the Rings.)  Doom, Pathfinder and Priest (although he was second fiddle in that) were all attempts to launch him as an action star, and all of them were flops.

On the basis of available evidence so far, he's pretty solid in second banana parts (his McCoy was good - although you could have taken that character out the film and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to anything) and he makes a great villain (Red, Bourne Supremacy and maybe Chronicles of Riddick) but he's yet to prove he can open a film on his own, as lead actor.

The logic that Trekkers are going to go and see Dredd because he played McCoy doesn't hold up. They didn't go and see Chris Pine in the big budget flop Unstoppable - and he's only Captain friggin' Kirk,  - so why would this work for the guy who plays McCoy?

And all these women fans of his, who still couldn't make his other starring vehicles a success  - they're going to go and see him in a film where his face is covered up the entire time?

I like Karl Urban - I do - but it's a big jump to assume he's going to be an major audience draw.



Glass half full much?


The only real thing any of us can hope for in the way of the film doing well enough to deserve a sequel is for it to be entertaining. There are too many factors that make no rational sense when it comes to box office takings, so as long as it's good, it will find an audience somewhere. Remember Dredd is known and loved outside of America, and many films today are made hits by their performance in foreign territories. The beauty of it being so low budget is that it could easily do that.

At this point no one can  tell what will happen, but I find it pointless throwing in the towel and giving up at such an early stage, because a success definitely doesnt come from such defeatest talk. The more people like sc*j* do that without seeing the finished product, the more likely it is that lazy journalists will pick up on  a negative buzz.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 12 October, 2011, 11:32:09 am
Speaking as Joe Bloggs movie goer here, I reckon with the impending 18 mark to the rating, it's got cult film written all over it.. You won't be taking your whole family to see it, unless you want the missus to throw up in her popcorn bucket (though, that said, women these days..).. So having a bloke like Karl won't really sway the box office much. He's reasonably well known enough to get the numbers, but not big enough to be too hurt by modest box office sales. Again, this one will find it's home in the dvd and bluray sales..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 12 October, 2011, 11:57:17 am
You're kidding, surely? I don't think Karl Urban's starred in a hit film yet.

The only real thing any of us can hope for in the way of the film doing well enough to deserve a sequel is for it to be entertaining. There are too many factors that make no rational sense when it comes to box office takings, so as long as it's good, it will find an audience somewhere. Remember Dredd is known and loved outside of America, and many films today are made hits by their performance in foreign territories. The beauty of it being so low budget is that it could easily do that.

At this point no one can  tell what will happen, but I find it pointless throwing in the towel and giving up at such an early stage, because a success definitely doesnt come from such defeatest talk. The more people like sc*j* do that without seeing the finished product, the more likely it is that lazy journalists will pick up on  a negative buzz.

Well put. This is what I was trying to say and failing to do so.

Some big movies with big names and budgets have done badly, all expectations and net buzz and critics meaning sweet FA. It's in no way predictable. Smurfs and Cowboys and Aliens come to mind.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 October, 2011, 12:55:42 pm
If you've nothing to say, don't say anything especially if you have to resort to quoting the likes of him.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 October, 2011, 12:57:58 pm
Okay, Dredd like this, wouldnt be blockbuster, but can be sleeper hit, if PR campaign would kept it good... as 2000Ad start it books out in USA last week?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 October, 2011, 01:01:32 pm
Okay, Dredd like this, wouldnt be blockbuster, but can be sleeper hit, if PR campaign would kept it good... as 2000Ad start it books out in USA last week?

As wiki says; Typically the sleeper hit relies instead on positive "word of mouth" as well as the publicity generated by awards and good reviews.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mudcrab on 12 October, 2011, 01:56:40 pm
Smurfs and Cowboys and Aliens...

 :lol: Now there's a sequel I'd like to see.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 12 October, 2011, 02:02:08 pm
*g* So would I.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 12 October, 2011, 07:04:33 pm
I just hope Dredd doesn't fall prey to the type misconception on the part of the media(and audience) that very much plagued Conan The Barbarian, by being percieved as a remake.


What plagued Conan was that it was a bad film. No one cared about misconceptions.

 We can discuss several possible reasons why the film failed at the box office. Still, there have been other films that have gotten worse receptions by critics than Conan did, such as Underworld:Evolution, and were commercially successful. Just saying.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Cactus on 13 October, 2011, 12:00:22 am
The LA Times Hollywood section seems to have been the first reputable source to run the story.

In journalistic terms, LA Times > Empire.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/10/director-drama-heats-up-on-dredd.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/10/director-drama-heats-up-on-dredd.html)

I haven't caught up with the last ten pages yet but I just wanted to say that describing Dredd as a "remake" of the Stallone film (as the LA Times does) is probably more damaging, at least to the general public.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 13 October, 2011, 07:15:28 am
It shows how dubiously informed internet journalism is. LA Times peaking this example.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 13 October, 2011, 01:15:10 pm
Here's a question for you types that actually work on films.

You get the chance to work on a property that you know and love.

Do you read the whole script and get it spoilered for you or can you work in blinkered isolation just reading the bits that are relevant to what you work* on but not spoiling the whole thing for you?

*if it's anything like wehere I work, then this can be done but almost always leads to problems later on as people that work in silos miss out on contributing to the bigger picture?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Meathook on 13 October, 2011, 01:59:03 pm
Working for the Yankee Dollar not the GBP!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 13 October, 2011, 08:34:37 pm
Relieved. Even if it's not entirely true.

I think a great way to distract from this debacle would be to release some mind-blowing cool movie imagery. But that's just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 13 October, 2011, 08:46:34 pm
Relieved. Even if it's not entirely true.

I think a great way to distract from this debacle would be to release some mind-blowing cool movie imagery. But that's just my humble opinion.

yeah, they should have released some cool new pics with the joint statement.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 October, 2011, 08:49:27 pm
Sounds like if any latest photos still exclusive to Empire?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 15 October, 2011, 12:45:07 pm
Back to the waiting game for us boarders.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 15 October, 2011, 05:24:21 pm
Back to the waiting game for us boarders.
At least it kept us busy for a week or so.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SKD on 15 October, 2011, 08:24:59 pm
Back to the waiting game for us boarders.
At least it kept us busy for a week or so.




V

 Yep, now back in the box till someone gets the pokey stick out again.

 Stew. :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 18 October, 2011, 12:42:38 am
You're kidding, surely? I don't think Karl Urban's starred in a hit film yet. (And that's starred - i.e. him as the lead actor playing the lead character, so no Star Trek, Red or Lord of the Rings.)  Doom, Pathfinder and Priest (although he was second fiddle in that) were all attempts to launch him as an action star, and all of them were flops.

On the basis of available evidence so far, he's pretty solid in second banana parts (his McCoy was good - although you could have taken that character out the film and it wouldn't have made the slightest difference to anything) and he makes a great villain (Red, Bourne Supremacy and maybe Chronicles of Riddick) but he's yet to prove he can open a film on his own, as lead actor.

The logic that Trekkers are going to go and see Dredd because he played McCoy doesn't hold up. They didn't go and see Chris Pine in the big budget flop Unstoppable - and he's only Captain friggin' Kirk,  - so why would this work for the guy who plays McCoy?

And all these women fans of his, who still couldn't make his other starring vehicles a success  - they're going to go and see him in a film where his face is covered up the entire time?

I like Karl Urban - I do - but it's a big jump to assume he's going to be an major audience draw.



Glass half full much?


The only real thing any of us can hope for in the way of the film doing well enough to deserve a sequel is for it to be entertaining. There are too many factors that make no rational sense when it comes to box office takings, so as long as it's good, it will find an audience somewhere. Remember Dredd is known and loved outside of America, and many films today are made hits by their performance in foreign territories. The beauty of it being so low budget is that it could easily do that.

At this point no one can  tell what will happen, but I find it pointless throwing in the towel and giving up at such an early stage, because a success definitely doesnt come from such defeatest talk. The more people like sc*j* do that without seeing the finished product, the more likely it is that lazy journalists will pick up on  a negative buzz.



Thing is in all respects he should be playing alongside Mega-City One. So more of a supporting role.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mister Pops on 18 October, 2011, 02:39:21 am
I think an interesting point has been raised here. This movie isn't just relying on how well Dredd can be adapted to the big screen on a limited budget, it's also relying on how well Urban can carry a leading role. I enjoyed him as McCoy and he did a good turn in Lord of the Rings. This forum will no doubt put his upcoming performance through a wringer of intense scrutiny. I look forward to it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 31 October, 2011, 05:07:01 pm
Anthony Dod Mantle (cinematographer) talks a small bit about shooting Dredd around the 4:30 mark in the video below:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXtL9a-WEUw
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 November, 2011, 11:02:20 am
Oh lovely, as Total Film got new feature about 50 Performances that ruined movies, guess what? Stallone as Judge Dredd is there!

But like this;

The Performance: What should have been the meanest mofo of Mega City One is reduced to a cuddly kids cartoon character in the hands of Stallone. He even takes his helmet off – pretty much the biggest Dredd no-no there is.

How It Could've Been Rescued: By revealing at the end of the movie that Stallone’s Dredd was actually an imposter - and he's about to get the shit kicked out of him by the real Dredd.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-performances-that-ruined-movies/sylvester-stallone-judge-dredd-1995 (http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-performances-that-ruined-movies/sylvester-stallone-judge-dredd-1995)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 02 November, 2011, 05:18:55 pm
A little word from the man himself, John Wagner... taken from Laura Sneddon's rather good series of articles 'Comic Studies' on CBR, the whole things worth a read and there's a lot more from Wagner about 2000AD and Dredd etc.! || http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35243 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35243)

On Dredd ::
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Wagner was unable to say much about the upcoming new Dredd film, explaining, "the trouble about this is, I've signed a non-disclosure. I would tell you a lot, but I'm never sure what I'm allowed to say." After some thought, he added, "I think the story is better. I wish, perhaps, that the budget had been a little greater. I'm going up to see the final cut next week and I'm hoping that they've corrected some of the problems that existed in the first cut. I can't really say more than that, but in terms of the plot, the structure of the story, it's much more representative of Dredd as he is"

Hmmm... so it appears Wagner also had problems with the first cut...

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Asked whether Wagner dreams of retiring, the creator responded with a laugh, "I would like to! I would like to retire, but at the moment I can't afford to. I'm still enjoying it, but things take longer. I've done so many Dredds now, what do I do that's new? Yes, I'd like to quit, but I probably won't."

On the Button Man film ::
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"I hope to be dead when they have to decide [ho Dredd's story ends]," Wagner deadpanned. "When we started the comic, our idea in the way of DC Thompson's comics, [was] that no character should feature permanently...but it was the IPC way, if you've got a winner, keep it going. So when Dredd was created, I never envisioned there would be a problem with the year on year aging. And in actual fact, in terms of writing, I prefer it that way, because much of the character development [that] has come in Dredd has been through his aging and through his maturing as he's getting near retirement, I suppose. It won't happen in my lifetime."

Asked about the possibility of a Button Man film, Wagner responded, "Well, Button Man has been optioned to DreamWorks for 4 or 5 years now, and they've had trouble getting the script. I think they have difficulty getting out of the Hollywood cliché machine. The good thing about Spielberg is that he won't accept that, he's kept it on, he's determined to get something that reflects the darkness of the book and I'm glad of that, but I think this may be the last renewal. But there are several other people who want to run it. In fact, DNA, the people who are doing the Judge Dredd film, would like to do Button Man as well. Eventually it will come, when we get the right script."
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 November, 2011, 08:25:13 am
John Wagner didn't actually say he had a problem with the early cut he saw, he just said he hoped they'd corrected some of the problems in the early rough cut, well almost every rough cut has problems, that's why the editing process lasts for several months on average, and it takes time to iron those problems out and settle on a final cut that pleases the production team... the most encouraging thing about John Wagner's comments are that he's going up to see "the final cut" next week, meaning NO RESHOOTS (sorry Michaelvk), which by extension means those (completely unsubstantiated) media reports last month of less-than-thrilling footage being turned in are clearly inaccurate, I'm pretty excited now I know the footage shot is just fine and that the post-production is pretty much done, wonder if this means we'll get a teaser trailer by Christmas...!? 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 03 November, 2011, 09:24:26 am
It's also good he clearly still has a voice in the process. I doubt he saw 95 Dredd before it was released. If he is being shown rough cuts to comment on we should hopefully end up with something fine tuned to be very Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 November, 2011, 09:31:28 am
I'm pretty excited now I know the footage shot is just fine and that the post-production is pretty much done,


'Final Cut' doesn't mean post-production is done. It just means, the assembly cut has been tuned to a point where the film content is fully structured/edited and the story/acting is full and complete. There could still be a good few months of FX work on certain shots to be done on the plus mixing and scoring.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 November, 2011, 11:53:39 pm
'nother Domhnall Gleeson snippet in print:



CLICK: If we can talk about Dredd for a minute – you shot earlier this year for a 2012 release. Can you talk about your character in that at all? I couldn’t find much about it at all!
DG: Yea, I’m not sure if I’m allowed to say anything, I think I signed some stuff! I only did two weeks on Dredd – it’s not a huge role but I feel in some way he could represent the troubled heart of that kind of world. This awful society where Dredd’s a figure of hope is really interesting. So I was really proud of working on this. I love Alex Garland [screenwriter on Dredd] as well. So my character is very important actually. Also I’ve got mad makeup and things.



Not this Dredd...


CLICK: And do you get to do any action?
DG: No not action stuff. I got to be dragged around and tortured a little bit basically but that’s about it. I had a ball on it because the cinematographer was Anthony Dod Mantle [28 Days Later, 127 Hours] who is just gifted.

CLICK: I understand the film is shot in 3D – what was that process like on set – as an actor and possibly a future filmmaker?
DG: Yea I think 3D is really integral to how we’re telling this story, it’s actually really important in terms of the nature of the story – I think it will become clear when it comes out. And also because you’ve not just got a guy who know how to use 3D but you’ve got Anthony Dod Mantle in doing it. And the scope of his movies is just amazing, he’s just really interested by light. Having an artist behind the camera is really important. It was kind of wonderful, it was really freeing. And I’ve just been working with Seamus McGarvey [Anna Karenina] and I’ve also worked with Roger Deakins! [True Grit] It’s kind of amazing. So that’s been really, really exciting working with all those guys.



http://www.clickonline.com/movies/interview-domhnall-gleeson/4000/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 04 November, 2011, 04:06:01 am
'Final Cut' doesn't mean post-production is done. It just means, the assembly cut has been tuned to a point where the film content is fully structured/edited and the story/acting is full and complete. There could still be a good few months of FX work on certain shots to be done on the plus mixing and scoring.

You're right Joe, although considering the actual script content, it's pretty likely - likely, not certain - they're near the end now in the visual effects process (it's not on an Avatar scale of effects work, after all) now, although the sound mixing and scoring you're probably totally correct on, plus perfecting the final 3-D presentation may take a little more time as well, but that's okay with me, the more time to get it right, the better the final product... and that's what REALLY matters, after all!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: brendan1 on 04 November, 2011, 11:13:40 am

John Wagner didn't actually say he had a problem with the early cut he saw, he just said he hoped they'd corrected some of the problems in the early rough cut


So he identified that there were some problems in the first cut he saw, and hopes that they are corrected.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 05 November, 2011, 03:13:59 am
Kinda splitting hairs there really, John Wagner admitting there were some problems IN the early cut is different to having a problem WITH the early cut, and John seems to be more the former than the latter, but I get and acknowledge your point Brendan...

To give an example, the first cut of Star Wars was a complete and total disaster, leading to George Lucas and team firing the British editor and shipping the filmed footage in it's entirety to California to edit it properly with new editors, the problem there was WITH the early cut of the movie.  Nearly a year of post-production followed, wherein there were still problems IN the final cut that were continuously ironed out before they settled on the final theatrically released movie (and if only George had left it alone after that, say no more...), sorry if I'm belabouring the point, just felt I needed to clarify exactly what I meant in the original post.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 30 December, 2011, 07:10:32 pm
Sorry if this has been asked/answered already...

Anyone any idea when we might see a teaser/trailer for Dredd?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 30 December, 2011, 07:13:15 pm
Whenever they decide, maybe mid-late Spring, online most likely or possibly tied to the Hunger Games in late March.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 31 December, 2011, 06:52:41 pm
Still no word on merchandising for the film? will there be any at all? A few action figs wouldn't go amiss if anyone's reading.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 31 December, 2011, 08:14:36 pm
Doubt there'll be anything other than a few boutique items and books.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JUDGE BURNS on 31 December, 2011, 08:37:10 pm
JUST 38 WEEKS TO GO................ :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mike Carroll on 01 January, 2012, 12:13:32 am
Yay! The Dredd movie is happening this year!

- Mike
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 01 January, 2012, 01:20:00 am
Little write up on Empire
http://www.empireonline.com/features/2012-movie-preview/default.asp
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buttonman on 01 January, 2012, 01:22:05 am

It was one of Alex Zane's '12 for 2012' in The Sun (I saw it at my folks') so if that isn't the definition of greatness I've no idea what is.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: W. R. Logan on 01 January, 2012, 01:40:07 am
But there was a crap pic and no detail, whereas all the other films had something about them.
Because there's no info every time you see a mention of the Dredd film it just goes on about Stallone and 1995.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 01:50:51 am
Little write up on Empire
http://www.empireonline.com/features/2012-movie-preview/default.asp


Bad research for a start. The usual lazy mistake concerning the oft-quoted "Danny Boyle's production company DNA"; it's not his company, he doesn't own DNA nor does he have anything to do with them -or Dredd- other than he directed a few films for them before he made it to 'Hollywood'.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 01 January, 2012, 04:13:39 am
Have they confused Andrew MacDonald for Danny Boyle? Or Is it because of the history of working together on many projects that've simply lumped them as one?
Does seem to be an obvious mistake on the writers part and everyone who has written regarding DNA films.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 05:01:07 am
It's down to cutting & pasting bits of older articles into something that looks kinda new to fill magazine space.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 January, 2012, 11:49:08 am
The Scottish Sunday Mail  only had the usual Hollywood Blockbusters particularly the new Batman flick.

At least EMPIRE  and The Sun are still waving the flag.     
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 01 January, 2012, 12:58:05 pm
But there was a crap pic and no detail, whereas all the other films had something about them.
Because there's no info every time you see a mention of the Dredd film it just goes on about Stallone and 1995.

Yup -and New Year window of opportunity closed now.Still, I'm sure they know what there doing....... :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 January, 2012, 01:38:03 pm
Went to find the DNA Film website [via Wikipedia ] to get the latest info and the Website appears to be 'under construction' . Whether that's a good sign- or a very bad one we'll have to see. Hope it's good sign. New Year folks so let's try to be positive.

Maybe their going to surprise us with some DREDD related feedback sooner than we thought.

http://www.dnafilms.com/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 02:22:28 pm
That under construction placeholder has been there for over a year. Notthat it really matters.



Yup -and New Year window of opportunity closed now.Still, I'm sure they know what there doing....... :o


?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 01 January, 2012, 03:03:16 pm
Dredd didn't make the top 50 2012 films for the Guardian or a mention in the Daily Mail guide.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 03:31:01 pm
Why does that matter?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: W. R. Logan on 01 January, 2012, 03:41:27 pm
Even CBR didnt mention it on there ones to watch for 2012
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Greg M. on 01 January, 2012, 03:45:59 pm
At least Newsarama did in their '10 To Watch in 2012: Comic Book Characters':

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-to-watch-in-2012-characters-111228-1.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-to-watch-in-2012-characters-111228-1.html)

Dredd's number 8.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 03:56:09 pm
None of this will matter a jot when a trailer arrives. Then the chips will fall as they may.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 01 January, 2012, 04:23:06 pm
Wonder if we will get a teaser first or just the theatrical in June or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 01 January, 2012, 04:41:38 pm
Why does that matter?

Because Dredd simply isn't registering enough.When films like the  Abraham Lincoln :Vampire Hunter are getting more press you know something isn't right.I've seen lots of films without watching ANY trailer but simply because of what I saw or read ,even months before.

Movies need HYPE -simples
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 01 January, 2012, 04:46:55 pm
Dredd didn't make the top 50 2012 films for the Guardian or a mention in the Daily Mail guide.

They had the abominable-looking 3 stooges remake in their list, so I'm dubious about what their criteria actually was.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 01 January, 2012, 05:22:25 pm
i hope we have a sleeper hit but to tell you the truth i have a bad feeling about this the silence is deafening! JOE SOAP is the only one keeping the film out there! the build up to this film is nonexistent, come on what would it take to set up a site-facebook page bet most of you folk could give them a hand as money seems to be a issue! this must be as frustrating for Tharg and Molch-R and the rest of the nerve centre!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 01 January, 2012, 05:42:02 pm
this must be as frustrating for Tharg and Molch-R and the rest of the nerve centre!

I think everything is going to plan according to their POV. There'll be trailers and other promotional soon enough.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 01 January, 2012, 07:49:47 pm
Bound to be something within the next few months simply due to the amount of time left,should have started sooner but whatever,not long now.

Do need to raise the profile soon though,AICN left it off their 'movies to look forward to in 2012' list,everything but the kitchen sink was on but Dredd.

All come out in the wash.

Happy New Year citizens.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 01 January, 2012, 08:03:50 pm
SFX put it in their 'Sci-Fi TV & Film Highlights For 2012'

HERE! (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/01/01/20-for-%e2%80%9912-sci-fi-tv-film-highlights-for-2012/)

That is all  :-X
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 01 January, 2012, 08:14:51 pm
Lovely :)

 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 01 January, 2012, 08:40:48 pm
sweet cheers :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 01 January, 2012, 09:06:16 pm
SFX put it in their 'Sci-Fi TV & Film Highlights For 2012'

HERE! (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/01/01/20-for-%e2%80%9912-sci-fi-tv-film-highlights-for-2012/)

That is all  :-X
I thought this was just a one man campain not the general concensus.
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with fans hating the costumes





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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Greg M. on 01 January, 2012, 09:13:31 pm
I thought this was just a one man campain not the general concensus.
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with fans hating the costumes

Yeah, the 'one man campaign' thing was very much what the article made me think of. Whilst some on the board like the outfit and some don't, in no way do I get the impression that reaction has on average been overly negative. More cautiously optimistic in general.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 09:31:59 pm
Why does that matter?

Because Dredd simply isn't registering enough.When films like the  Abraham Lincoln :Vampire Hunter are getting more press you know something isn't right.I've seen lots of films without watching ANY trailer but simply because of what I saw or read ,even months before.

Movies need HYPE -simples


These things -especially lists on websites are highly subjective and editorialised, focus can change within days and weeks, it's a very, very fickle industry, especially on the web -simple enough?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 10:05:38 pm
Do need to raise the profile soon though,AICN left it off their 'movies to look forward to in 2012' list,everything but the kitchen sink was on but Dredd.


Really, they left out quite a bit: Wrath of the Titans, MiB3, John Carter, Dredd, Total recall, Jack the Giant Killer, Dark Shadows, Expendables 2, Ghost Rider 2, the Hunger Games to name a few?

As I said these are very subjective lists created by individuals with their own agendas/interests. If they aren't familiar yet or aren't fans of Dredd they won't bother including it in their 'hope list'. We shouldn't compare what one fan on a film website wants to see with what ultimately is considered a success.

A comparison film, genre-wise, is Total Recall, a remake/reboot that has had very little coverage; not a trailer nor even a teaser yet but only a place-holder webpage: http://www.totalrecall-movie.com. It's release date is nearly 2 months before Dredd and has a $200 million dollar budget, so will it fail beacause they haven't fully promoted/teased it yet? No, cos in the end none of us know how these things pan out. It's a black-art and if you don't hit the right notes at the right time -a lottery not a science- no amount of marketing will save a bad film from being rejected.

Dredd has a certain appeal to a certain audience, it isn't broad like Avatar or Dark Knight, films which can bludgeon people with massively sponsored 3D/IMAX marketing and the promise of galactic/global eye-candy or even the global-oestrogen-synchronicity of Sex & the City. If Dredd's a success it'll be down to luck, tight-punches and an appreciative audience. It has 9 months to do it. If it's great, shite or mediocre we'll know when it's time to know.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 01 January, 2012, 10:07:14 pm
SFX put it in their 'Sci-Fi TV & Film Highlights For 2012'

HERE! (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/01/01/20-for-%e2%80%9912-sci-fi-tv-film-highlights-for-2012/)

That is all  :-X

Brilliant! But it's said;

Gotta admit, I’m sticking my neck out with this choice. Certainly the internet buzz so far has been more negative than positive, with fans hating the costumes and suspicious of the idea that it’s a small-scale “day-in-the-life”-style story. The news that the director, Pete Travis, parted company with the project during post production didn’t help (though the split was amicable, apparently). But I still believe this might turn out to surprise us all. Sctrptwriter Alex Garland has a very good pedigree (28 Days Later, Sunshine) and the intention seems to be to make an intense, gritty, claustrophobic, dark sci-fi thriller rather than a bloated, gaudy blockbuster, and to me that feels a better fit for the character. Plus, the cinematographer, Anthony Dod Mantle, reckons, “If we get it right, it will be a cross between Blade Runner and Clockwork Orange.” Now, that’s a good ambition to strive for.

Wish they would check in 2000AD Forum, not other different forums where there is negatives!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 01 January, 2012, 10:07:32 pm
I'm not particularly fussed over a trailer yet, although a teaser would be nice.

I do wish they'd get a few more photos out there, it's a bit weird that if you go to this link

http://www.sfx.co.uk/tag/dredd/ (http://www.sfx.co.uk/tag/dredd/), they're using Planet Replicas pics for a couple of stories...

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/10/11/dredd-producer-oficially-refutes-director-was-sacked/#comment-window (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/10/11/dredd-producer-oficially-refutes-director-was-sacked/#comment-window)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 01 January, 2012, 10:10:28 pm
SFX put it in their 'Sci-Fi TV & Film Highlights For 2012'

HERE! (http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/01/01/20-for-%e2%80%9912-sci-fi-tv-film-highlights-for-2012/)

That is all  :-X

Brilliant! But it's said;

Gotta admit, I’m sticking my neck out with this choice. Certainly the internet buzz so far has been more negative than positive, with fans hating the costumes and suspicious of the idea that it’s a small-scale “day-in-the-life”-style story. The news that the director, Pete Travis, parted company with the project during post production didn’t help (though the split was amicable, apparently). But I still believe this might turn out to surprise us all. Sctrptwriter Alex Garland has a very good pedigree (28 Days Later, Sunshine) and the intention seems to be to make an intense, gritty, claustrophobic, dark sci-fi thriller rather than a bloated, gaudy blockbuster, and to me that feels a better fit for the character. Plus, the cinematographer, Anthony Dod Mantle, reckons, “If we get it right, it will be a cross between Blade Runner and Clockwork Orange.” Now, that’s a good ambition to strive for.

Wish they would check in 2000AD Forum, not other different forums where there is negatives!

It is mainly just one notable person under various pseudonyms banging on about the uniform, the actor, the script, the fucking catering...

Most of the other gripes have purely been about the size of the helmet, rather than the costume overall.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 10:15:53 pm
It is mainly just one notable person under various pseudonyms banging on about the uniform, the actor, the script, the fucking catering...

This is the point, you can't trust film-nerds with gripes who project their bias as the opinion of all fans.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 01 January, 2012, 10:20:07 pm
You could probably have finished that sentence after nerds...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 10:23:06 pm
Aye.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 01 January, 2012, 10:24:39 pm
Because nerds don't comment on comic book websites?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 10:34:15 pm
as all ready said it's a matter of trust and you really can't.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 01 January, 2012, 10:35:33 pm
Because there's an inordinate amount of nerdrage on sites like AICN, anyone who makes marketing decisions based on who shouts loudest on internet forums would seem bizarre.

It's fine to voice an opinion, but I wouldn't give it too much weight.

I'm a nerd, but I certainly don't expect what I say to have any bearing on what Rebellion/DNA/IMGlobal etc do, and to do so is delusional IMHO.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 01 January, 2012, 10:41:35 pm
We are all nerds,that was my point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 10:42:47 pm
The emotional tide of world events can have more of an effect on what people see at the cinema than ad-campaigns. It's a volatile media glut that we live with. I also think there'll be many box-office casualties next year because of the sheer saturation of genre product, people will be very selective in what they'll see at the nickelodeon knowing that they they can download what they don't soon after.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 January, 2012, 10:43:59 pm
We are all nerds,that was my point.


and we're not to be trusted especially those of us who have sites to run and pixel-space to fill.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 01 January, 2012, 11:03:30 pm
Thanks for laying down the law.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 02 January, 2012, 03:55:34 am
It is mainly just one notable person under various pseudonyms banging on about the uniform, the actor, the script, the fucking catering...

This is the point, you can't trust film-nerds with gripes who project their bias as the opinion of all fans.

That's really a shame... It's always the ones who shouts the loudest gets heard, Scojo's guerilla style negativity has done the business, he has been ranting and raving for months on imdb for sometime, banned numerously times yet the git's nasty streak is making on impact out there.
Even Jock had to email him to lay off the project. I believe like everyone else that the majority of fans like the look. We'll just wait and see and weather Scojo's hate brigade.  >:(
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 02 January, 2012, 04:29:50 am
Dredd didn't make the top 50 2012 films for the Guardian or a mention in the Daily Mail guide.

Gimme a break, the Guardian ?  When have they ever been the gold-standard for the public pulse, you'd be better off with Pravda , not that there's much difference between the two ::)...

If Sc**jo is causing so much havoc for the good name and reputation of Dredd, can IM Global not impress on the sites he's trolling on to ban him outright, I mean, they shut down CraveNoir's wonderful Judge Dredd Movie News blog and THAT was a highly positive piece of free publicity for the project (it's how I found out a new JD movie was being made), short of that, I would suggest a baseball bat and a shovel to take care of him, but he'd probably rise from the ground and start trolling again, how about a stake through the heart...!?

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 02 January, 2012, 09:05:48 am
Dredd didn't make the top 50 2012 films for the Guardian or a mention in the Daily Mail guide.

Gimme a break, the Guardian ?  When have they ever been the gold-standard for the public pulse, you'd be better off with Pravda , not that there's much difference between the two ::)...

If Sc**jo is causing so much havoc for the good name and reputation of Dredd, can IM Global not impress on the sites he's trolling on to ban him outright, I mean, they shut down CraveNoir's wonderful Judge Dredd Movie News blog and THAT was a highly positive piece of free publicity for the project (it's how I found out a new JD movie was being made), short of that, I would suggest a baseball bat and a shovel to take care of him, but he'd probably rise from the ground and start trolling again, how about a stake through the heart...!?


Has anyone informed Harry at Aintitcoolnews and whoever runs the Empire forum about who this guy is. He's trolling the hell out of those sites under different pseudonyms and causing untold damage.i.e. whenever we get lazy journalism from the cut and paste brigade, they always quote that fans on the net hate what's going on with the film.

This bad publicity is spreading and becoming part of established fact in relation to the Dredd film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 02 January, 2012, 09:40:16 am
yes i have seen the hate on the empire site and total film.you can see the shit a mile off i hope his next shits a hedgehog followed by a over growing porcupine! I think the cast look and feel of the dredd film is spot on its just the lack of information thats worrying  :) 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: judge macbrayne on 02 January, 2012, 11:51:22 am
Got to agree with psidude here .
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 January, 2012, 04:16:44 pm
Now it is in Darkhorizons feature of The Notable Films of 2012

http://www.darkhorizons.com/features/1604/the-notable-films-of-2012-volume-three (http://www.darkhorizons.com/features/1604/the-notable-films-of-2012-volume-three)

Dredd
Opens: September 21st 2012
Cast: Karl Urban, Olivia Thirlby, Lena Headey, Jason Cope, Domhnall Gleeson
Director: Pete Travis

Analysis: Sylvester Stallone's often derided 1995 effort "Judge Dredd" bore little relation to John Wagner's British comic character, and now the 'Judge' gets another shot at the big screen. Gone is the big visual effects and decidedly clean looking Megacity One. Instead we have a leaner, darker and grittier $45 million 3D interpretation shot in South Africa back in late 2010.

Star Urban describes this as a setup film mixing together various stories from the comics and following a day in the life of Dredd as he puts his rookie through the paces to see if she is worthy or not of becoming a Judge. The character is much more a figure of fear and intimidation in this, while Urban has confirmed he never removes his helmet - leaving his face obscured throughout.

One element of concern happened this year when director Pete Travis had "creative disagreements between producers and executives" leading to the film's scribe Alex Garland taking over the editing process. The pair released a joint statement saying they had agreed on an "unorthodox collaboration" before production began and Travis was still involved, but there's definitely more to this story which we probably won't find out about until closer to release.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 02 January, 2012, 06:09:36 pm
Although it's stuff we kind of know already, that second paragraph is promising.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 03 January, 2012, 01:07:45 am
Has anyone informed Harry at Aintitcoolnews and whoever runs the Empire forum about who this guy is. He's trolling the hell out of those sites under different pseudonyms and causing untold damage

I called him out on the Empire forums not too long back and he pretty much admitted who he was (at first denying all knowledge of what I was talking about, then in the next post contradicting himself) and went on about how the script he wrote would have been better (?!). Still, I don't think they can ban him since he's just expressing his opinion, regardless of how irrational it might be.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Emperor on 03 January, 2012, 05:24:25 am
Has anyone informed Harry at Aintitcoolnews and whoever runs the Empire forum about who this guy is. He's trolling the hell out of those sites under different pseudonyms and causing untold damage

I called him out on the Empire forums not too long back and he pretty much admitted who he was (at first denying all knowledge of what I was talking about, then in the next post contradicting himself) and went on about how the script he wrote would have been better (?!). Still, I don't think they can ban him since he's just expressing his opinion, regardless of how irrational it might be.

Oh I don't know, his monomania is flamebait (albeit presumably unintentional) and can be disruptive on a forum who tries to have (even moderately) reasoned discussion. They'd be advised to try and get rid of him if they can.

The main problem is he is quite difficult to ban and keep banned. However, if anyone from Empire or SFX's forums (or anywhere else with an infestation) wants help getting rid of him we have a reasonable grasp on his wily ways so they should contact the site and we can see what we can do to help them out.

All you can really do is call him on it and expose him for the sockpuppet-abusing sadsack that he is. Although sometimes the best way to stop a fire is to starve it off oxygen, I suspect getting in and giving things a more positive spin is the best approach, just don't get dragged into his nonsense.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 03 January, 2012, 07:52:15 am
The culmination of a massive scojo fallout on imdb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/nest/192070887?p=1
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 03 January, 2012, 09:13:39 am
The culmination of a massive scojo fallout on imdb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/nest/192070887?p=1

Ouch!  The best bit in that very long sequence was Goaty's "Do you think John Wagner gives a sh_t?", which had me giggling into my coffee.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 03 January, 2012, 09:34:58 am
Scojo has united all true 2000ad fans, Artists, writers and the nerve centre in there dislike of his vindictive ways! the sad thing is even me writing this is feeding his twisted ego! think the best action is to blank him and leave him to rot in his brown and cream Y front all in one set! Well done to goaty very funny! :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 03 January, 2012, 09:45:06 am
Ouch!  The best bit in that very long sequence was Goaty's "Do you think John Wagner gives a sh_t?", which had me giggling into my coffee.

Oh should says "Do you think John Wagner gives an sh_t?"  :D

Problems is that, Scojo can still reading anythings on this forum.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 03 January, 2012, 09:46:32 am
Oh thought S is part of vowel! Slow brain today!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 03 January, 2012, 10:57:14 am
I followed that link and had to read the whole thing, in the same way you wouldn't be able to tear your eyes away from a slow-motion car crash resulting in several fatalities. Ouch.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 06 January, 2012, 05:03:43 am
I had a look at the Christmas issue of Empire and took a pic of what it said about Dredd, I wasn't gonna pay for a couple of paragraphs. Anyway it actually makes a change to see a positive piece and here it is -

Quote
Judge Dredd is without doubt the greatest British comic-book creation, and yet there's only been one movie. The Stallone one. Which was, as a citizen of Mega-City One might put it, utter stomm.

"I'm very aware of how film has fucked over comic-book creators in the past." says Alex Garland, writer and co-producer of this latest version. Keen to get it right, he and producers Andrew MacDonald and Allon Reich included Dredd creator John Wagner in the creative process. "We wanted to be sure we listened to him, that we understood what it was that we needed to protect."

The result promises to be a raw, stripped-down take, with Karl Urban a lither, less compromising (and compromised) Dredd than Sly's. Not that there's anything slight about this; the shoot wrapped in February 2011, and the film is still in VFX-heavy post. The hope remains it will prove that rare thing: a true Brit blockbuster. It was even shot in 3D, with Oscar-winning DP Anthony Dod Mantle intriguingly experimenting with the format: using negative space, emphasising facial close-ups, he tells Empire on set. "It becomes a weird landscape when you get up relly close..."
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 06 January, 2012, 04:16:42 pm
Just  did a small wee in me y-fronts with excitement reading this.  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 06 January, 2012, 08:04:31 pm
The VFX company looks promising. Heres one of their many showreels.

http://www.primefocusworld.com/work/showreels/rd-showreel (http://www.primefocusworld.com/work/showreels/rd-showreel)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 January, 2012, 09:13:16 pm
There's several FX companies involved including the Mill.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 07 January, 2012, 02:39:25 am
There's several FX companies involved including the Mill.

You mean the same The Mill vfx company that worked on Gladiator ?  I thought I read a few years back they had folded, or maybe it was significantly downsized, something like that...

By the way, just saw the Crumley/Hunter script you sent in the inbox, thanks again Joe :D !
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 07 January, 2012, 01:01:05 pm
Just finished reading that Crumley/Hunter script - thanks Joe :D

It's seems like more of a parody of Dredd than an adaptation. And as weak as it is, it wouldn't have been any worse than the Stallone one.

- C
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: maryanddavid on 09 January, 2012, 07:19:11 pm
Small metion of Dredd here, sorry if allready posted.
http://entertainment.ie.msn.com/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=160218969&page=19

David
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 January, 2012, 07:31:38 pm
Little write up on Empire
http://www.empireonline.com/features/2012-movie-preview/default.asp


Bad research for a start. The usual lazy mistake concerning the oft-quoted "Danny Boyle's production company DNA"; it's not his company, he doesn't own DNA nor does he have anything to do with them -or Dredd- other than he directed a few films for them before he made it to 'Hollywood'.


Small metion of Dredd here, sorry if allready posted.
http://entertainment.ie.msn.com/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=160218969&page=19



Quote
The involvement of producer Danny Boyle



Again the same old copy & paste routine with wrong info, lazy fucks.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 09 January, 2012, 08:31:04 pm
Io9 seem relatively excited. Dredd's on their list of sci-fi movies to watch out for in 2012:

"Dredd (Sept. 21)
Mega City One's greatest lawman finally gets a serious film, with Karl Urban as a Dredd who never takes his helmet off. Sarah Connor and Cersei Lannister, aka Lena Headey, is the villain.
Outlook: The draft script was fun but nothing special. But the look of the film is picture-perfect, and script drafts can change."
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Cactus on 10 January, 2012, 10:27:19 pm
The culmination of a massive scojo fallout on imdb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/nest/192070887?p=1

I actually quite like the 'Fargo's son' idea. Does that make me a bad person?  :-\
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Grimmyx22 on 10 January, 2012, 11:24:59 pm
Shame on me, I think Scott is the most entertaining c**t i have yet to see on the internet. And i realize thats saying a lot.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 January, 2012, 12:04:03 am
The point about scripts changing is a valid one. I can remember reading somewhere that Garland's original script for 28 Days Later was pretty out there (istr a set-piece featuring zombies hanging off a jumbo jet as it takes off) and very different from what ended up on film. It also had drastically different endings at different stages.

I wonder if any changes were made to Dredd following feedback from John Wagner and Matt Smith?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 January, 2012, 12:21:54 am
I believe that 'Peach Trees' was close to a shooting script and after Wagner's consultations with subsequent rewrites. It would make sense since it would be the one most widely distributed to actors/production and the one most likely to leak. I can't see anything major being changed other than a few minor incidentals and on-set rewrites and whatever else is changed in the edit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 16 January, 2012, 12:58:20 pm

This jerk try to urge all film fans to boycott Dredd film;

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1614923 (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1614923)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 January, 2012, 01:19:30 pm

This jerk try to urge all film fans to boycott Dredd film;

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1614923 (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1614923)

He's being rightfully ridiculed for his over the top protests, which is nice.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 16 January, 2012, 01:56:34 pm
He really is locked in the 80s isn't he?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 16 January, 2012, 06:18:43 pm
actually gives Kay, the perp, a sucky wucky on the willy.


 :D Is that how it's described in the script? :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2012, 08:28:57 pm
On Scott, I'm slightly surprised Rebellion hasn't initiated legal action against him at some point. He's a one-man anti-PR disaster zone.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 16 January, 2012, 09:54:13 pm
It's awful but I genuinely wish someone would give that boy a good kicking. He's such a nasty little prick. How can he possibly claim to be a fan when all he tries to do is destroy every Dredd product that comes out.

Grrrrr.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 16 January, 2012, 10:20:18 pm
I think he's brilliant, it just goes to show you what a dedicated individual can do for a product. Perhaps Rebellion should employ him and then reboot him and set him loose with positive vibes  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 17 January, 2012, 06:06:41 am
Hang on - is there or isn't there going to be a nude scene with Thirlby and Headly?

Because if there is, I'm totally going to boycott the movie.

If 'boycott' is slang for masturbate, that is.

I'll boycott that until my cott is raw.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 17 January, 2012, 09:28:12 am
Hang on - is there or isn't there going to be a nude scene with Thirlby and Headly?

Because if there is, I'm totally going to boycott the movie.

If 'boycott' is slang for masturbate, that is.

I'll boycott that until my cott is raw.

If there is I think we should all shun it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 17 January, 2012, 11:56:25 am
As a gesture of solidarity with our esteemed colleague Scott if Dredd contains any nudity what so ever (even implied) I will not only boycott this film but every other film ever made.

Outraged from Tunbridge Wells

 ::)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 17 January, 2012, 03:03:03 pm
Scott is a shit stain on the underpants of life,i cannot help but think of the ending too jay and silent bob strike back ,i would love to track this filth down,old joes been apart of my life for the last 28 years its like he is slagging off family >:(
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: ICONIC_TM on 17 January, 2012, 03:08:41 pm
Joe,s been apart of my life for the last 28 years its like he is slagging off family!

INDEED!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 17 January, 2012, 06:58:17 pm
I'll boycott this film if there's any so called porn in it -

after I've watched it. :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 17 January, 2012, 07:32:56 pm
I'll boycott this film if there's any so called porn in it -

after I've watched it. :lol:
hope my tattoo offends him! But come on a so called 2000ad fan that is upset to see judge Anderson naked :eh: :crazy: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 17 January, 2012, 08:47:33 pm
Hang on - is there or isn't there going to be a nude scene with Thirlby and Headly?

Because if there is, I'm totally going to boycott the movie.

If 'boycott' is slang for masturbate, that is.

I'll boycott that until my cott is raw.



 :lol: apparently  Mr 'S' is the only man in the world that doesn't like blow jobs
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 17 January, 2012, 08:48:41 pm

 :lol: apparently  Mr 'S' is the only man in the world that doesn't like blow jobs

Or Never been! ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 17 January, 2012, 09:05:51 pm
He has probably had the OP where you have some of your ribs removed to enable you to give yourself a blow job.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_removal
http://prince.org/msg/7/207639




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 17 January, 2012, 10:16:18 pm
Sc*j* is such an r-sole that if he gave himself a blowjob he wouldn't even swallow.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 17 January, 2012, 10:19:42 pm
Sc*j* is such an r-sole that if he gave himself a blowjob he wouldn't even swallow.

I take that back - he probably gives himself a snowball.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 17 January, 2012, 10:53:30 pm
actually gives Kay, the perp, a sucky wucky on the willy.


 :D Is that how it's described in the script? :lol:

Yes
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 18 January, 2012, 06:36:34 am
actually gives Kay, the perp, a sucky wucky on the willy.


 :D Is that how it's described in the script? :lol:

Yes

Challenge for the day: I challenge everyone out there to ask their girlfriend/wife/partner/SO for a "sucky wucky on the willy".
Extra points for:
1. Asking with a straight face.
2. Not getting laughed out of bed.
3. Not getting slapped.
4. Not getting divorced.
5. Not getting compulsory therapy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 18 January, 2012, 12:40:18 pm
Anyone know why he appears to have been booted off the Empire forums? The offending post has been edited by mods. Something about privacy!?!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Emperor on 18 January, 2012, 03:15:03 pm
actually gives Kay, the perp, a sucky wucky on the willy.


 :D Is that how it's described in the script? :lol:

Yes

Challenge for the day: I challenge everyone out there to ask their girlfriend/wife/partner/SO for a "sucky wucky on the willy".
Extra points for:
1. Asking with a straight face.
2. Not getting laughed out of bed.
3. Not getting slapped.
4. Not getting divorced.
5. Not getting compulsory therapy.

Now would be the perfect time for Russell Brand to delurk.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 18 January, 2012, 03:22:02 pm
Anyone know why he appears to have been booted off the Empire forums? The offending post has been edited by mods. Something about privacy!?!

Well, if he's pointing to the script to an unreleased film, it's not his to distribute, presumably Empire want to keep Lionsgate/IMG happy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 18 January, 2012, 08:28:06 pm
I was thinking that Emperor :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 18 January, 2012, 08:49:03 pm
Anyone know why he appears to have been booted off the Empire forums? The offending post has been edited by mods. Something about privacy!?!

Well, if he's pointing to the script to an unreleased film, it's not his to distribute, presumably Empire want to keep Lionsgate/IMG happy.

Don't think that was the problem. Privacy of 'other users' was mentioned. The script fragments are still there anyway (not that anyone can prove that they are genuine!)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 18 January, 2012, 08:51:07 pm
Why he kept want to bring up the script? Does anyone interesting in it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 18 January, 2012, 09:23:32 pm
He got kicked off because he is a cunt.




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 18 January, 2012, 09:29:19 pm
Anyone know why he appears to have been booted off the Empire forums? The offending post has been edited by mods. Something about privacy!?!

Well, if he's pointing to the script to an unreleased film, it's not his to distribute, presumably Empire want to keep Lionsgate/IMG happy.
'He' kept implying one of the forumites was John Wagner.

Don't think that was the problem. Privacy of 'other users' was mentioned. The script fragments are still there anyway (not that anyone can prove that they are genuine!)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 19 January, 2012, 12:39:45 am
Quote from: DanboJohnJ
'He' kept implying one of the forumites was John Wagner.
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haha which one?!  That's brilliant. And incredibly paranoid.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 19 January, 2012, 05:21:26 pm
Sauchieboy i think, began with an S.Mods were quite understanding at first but soon got sick.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 19 January, 2012, 07:47:44 pm
Sounds familiar...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 January, 2012, 07:49:04 pm
Indeed.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 January, 2012, 07:55:44 pm
Sauchieboy i think, began with an S.Mods were quite understanding at first but soon got sick.

Sorry I am confused?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 19 January, 2012, 08:27:20 pm
There was a similar thread on the IMDB boards accusing someone called Sauchieboy of being John Wagner, where that poster strung him along for a while.

Not sure where the personal information fits in, but since the thread has been pulled I don't really care...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 19 January, 2012, 08:30:50 pm
When did twatto become the main talking point to a Dredd film thread?
I know I am guilty of adding to it but still...





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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 19 January, 2012, 09:32:40 pm
There's not much else to talk about at this point. Best to nip this in the bud now anyway before everyone has to put up with his insanity when the good juicy stuff starts being released!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 19 January, 2012, 10:11:30 pm
When did twatto become the main talking point to a Dredd film thread?
I know I am guilty of adding to it but still...

Because we are still languishing in the desert of the Dredd PR wilderness .......... :'(
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 19 January, 2012, 10:28:12 pm
LA Times John Wagner interview, regarding DREDD.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/01/19/judge-dredd-creator-three-reasons-im-excited-about-new-film/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 January, 2012, 10:34:49 pm
LA Times John Wagner interview, regarding DREDD.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/01/19/judge-dredd-creator-three-reasons-im-excited-about-new-film/

That is good interview, and LA Times reporter is good one, and like that they pick one of best Judge Dredd images (of Judgement Day)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 19 January, 2012, 11:00:40 pm
LA Times John Wagner interview, regarding DREDD.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/01/19/judge-dredd-creator-three-reasons-im-excited-about-new-film/

Thanks for that, very interesting.The only thing that troubled me was when John said he envied the budget of the 95' Dredd movie which echoed a similar comment he made a couple of months ago.Perhaps what he didnt actually 'see' on set is made up by state-of-the-art effects ,which these days do have the ability to blow you away.Heres hoping.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 19 January, 2012, 11:07:31 pm
Quote
To get an early verdict on the revival prospects, we caught up with Wagner, who still works on Dredd adventures on the page but now rarely does interviews.

HEH. Adventures.






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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 January, 2012, 11:22:33 pm

Thanks for that, very interesting.The only thing that troubled me was when John said he envied the budget of the 95' Dredd movie which echoed a similar comment he made a couple of months ago.Perhaps what he didnt actually 'see' on set is made up by state-of-the-art effects ,which these days do have the ability to blow you away.Heres hoping.


He's seen close to the final cut; the FX, as far as I know, were more or less completed last October and pick-ups shot soon after that. Why wouldn't he envy the earlier budget?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 19 January, 2012, 11:52:44 pm
Just checked -they made THAT for $70 mill  :-[Well as I live and breath, I didnt know (or even imagine) it was that high.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 19 January, 2012, 11:57:47 pm
Wasn't it the La Times that was responsible for spreading the 'creative differences' rumour/story?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 January, 2012, 12:03:07 am
Stallone took a guestimate of $10-20 million of that budget -his fee at the time- which was actually over $90 million. Who knows how much Versace and the other over-paid studio honchos took, certainly more than Wagner & Ezquerra.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dredd_(film)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 January, 2012, 12:09:35 am
Wasn't it the La Times that was responsible for spreading the 'creative differences' rumour/story?


They're two different blogs under the LA Times -one for films general, other more nerd orientated- I wouldn't say they know what the other's doing half the time. Not that it would matter, news is news.



Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 20 January, 2012, 04:38:23 am
Stallone took a guestimate of $10-20 million of that budget -his fee at the time- which was actually over $90 million. Who knows how much Versace and the other over-paid studio honchos took, certainly more than Wagner & Ezquerra.

I hate to correct anyone here, but the 1995 movie cost just over $80m, with Stallone pocketing $15m of that himself (an obscenity of a fee), I know this because someone actually asked Danny Cannon during an interview at the time of it's release - I remember it well - how much it cost, and he plainly stated "a little over $80m", or words to that effect, and if you go to the Variety  magazine website and type in 'Judge Dredd', they'll pull up a vintage article on the film that plainly states the film has a budget of $65m (with Sly's mega-salary making up the difference), but I'll bet the upcoming new movie will look just as epic on a smaller budget, digital effects technology are night-and-day both more advanced and affordable than those available in 1994/5...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 20 January, 2012, 06:58:48 am
... here's the link for anyone interested - http://www.variety.com/article/VR117731 - it says an early '94 start but that probably means actual set construction rather than beginning of production, the movie didn't actually start filming until that July...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 20 January, 2012, 12:47:54 pm
How much did it gross at the box office? Anyone....?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 20 January, 2012, 01:00:12 pm
http://wwwl.the-numbers.com/movies/1995/0JDDR.php

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office    $34,687,912
International Box Office    $78,800,000
Worldwide Box Office    $113,487,912

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 20 January, 2012, 01:08:17 pm
http://wwwl.the-numbers.com/movies/1995/0JDDR.php

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office    $34,687,912
International Box Office    $78,800,000
Worldwide Box Office    $113,487,912

Forgot to say thats not including DVD sales, which I would imagine were pretty good too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 January, 2012, 03:34:33 pm
http://wwwl.the-numbers.com/movies/1995/0JDDR.php

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office    $34,687,912
International Box Office    $78,800,000
Worldwide Box Office    $113,487,912

Forgot to say thats not including DVD sales, which I would imagine were pretty good too.


Those are actually considered pathetic figures. A film of this budget is expected to make at the very least 2-3 times what it cost to make to be considered moderately successful or worthwhile, a great success would be multiple times that as in district 9:

Budget: $30 million
Box office: $210,816,205

and Avatar being a rare phenomenon:

Budget: $237 million
 
Box office: $2,782,275,172


Breaking even is more or less seen as a waste of effort and lost oppurtunity. It'll never get you a sequel.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 20 January, 2012, 03:41:59 pm
Sauchieboy i think, began with an S.Mods were quite understanding at first but soon got sick.

Sorry I am confused?
He (Dreddhead) was implying Sauchieboy(think that was the name) was John Wagner untill the mods stepped in...
 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 20 January, 2012, 03:56:23 pm
As I understand it, these days the big studios make most of their money from the US opening weekend.

They don't get as big a cut of the takings from subsequent showings and especially the international box office - that's why a film like The Golden Compass - which did poorly in the US but was a hit internationally - is considered a failure and wasn't granted a sequel.

Not sure how this stacks up for Dredd, with it being an independent UK/Indian-financed production (Lionsgate are only the US distributor IIRC).

With the best will in the world - and believe me I really, really want it to succeed - I just can't imagine Dredd taking the $200m+ needed to guarantee a franchise, even if it gets strong reviews/word of mouth.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 20 January, 2012, 03:59:51 pm
Also worth noting that studios generally don't include marketing costs when citing a production budget for a movie - and the advertising and promotion can cost over half the film's budget again.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 20 January, 2012, 04:05:35 pm
With product placement, overseas distribution rights, merchandising and all that other businness-ey stuff, don't a lot of films recoup a substantial bit of money before they even hit theaters nowadays? Or are those just the really big films like Green Lantern, which can fool people into thinking it's going to be a hit well in advance of people seeing it and realising it's an absolute travesty?

Lionsgate generally release kind of middle-tier genre stuff. I hope Dredd does well enough to warrant a sequel though I worry that the 3D thing is going to go against it by the time it's released. Audiences are sick of 3D and (rightfully) don't want want to pay extra for such a gimmick. I can't stand it either and only choose the regular option but unfortunately sometimes there is no choice. In which case I go see something else  :D

I'll suffer through it for Dredd if I have to.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 20 January, 2012, 04:11:31 pm
District 9?

The film was produced for $30 million and shot on location in Chiawelo, Soweto, presenting fictional interviews, news footage, and video from surveillance cameras in a part-mock documentary style format. A viral marketing campaign began in 2008, at the San Diego Comic-Con, while the theatrical trailer appeared in July 2009. Released by TriStar Pictures, the film opened to critical acclaim on August 14, 2009, in North America and earned $37 million in its opening weekend. Many saw the film as a sleeper hit for its relatively unknown cast and modest-budget production, while achieving success and popularity during its theatrical run.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 20 January, 2012, 04:32:14 pm
LA Times John Wagner interview, regarding DREDD.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/01/19/judge-dredd-creator-three-reasons-im-excited-about-new-film/

Always nice to see an interview you set up six months ago finally emerge! ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: spireite68 on 20 January, 2012, 04:33:53 pm
Just posted something similar Molch you just beat me to it  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 January, 2012, 05:27:17 pm
Also worth noting that studios generally don't include marketing costs when citing a production budget for a movie - and the advertising and promotion can cost over half the film's budget again.



Which is why the cost of Judge Dredd '95 was nearly $100 million -according to the producers- despite Cannon shooting it within the initial $70 million; Stallone also shot pick-ups in Vancouver without Cannon being involved.

The new Spider-Man film apparently cost $220 million but they've spent $150 million on marketing -I'd love to know where that marketing is- so it's total budget is creeping towards $400 million.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 21 January, 2012, 07:50:10 am
Mega-bucks! Nearly as big as a banker's bonus or M.P.'s expenses. Astronomical sums totally divorced from the reality of most of us. So if Dredd flops, the money lost is pretty goddammed damaging for the film makers.

Look on the bright side, the omens are good - no Rob Schnieder, no taking the helmet off and no kissing. A winner with 2000ad fans surely. I wouldn't mind room in the film for a Judge Bitch though, maybe for the sequel?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 21 January, 2012, 05:56:23 pm
'He's' at it again on Empire   ::)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 21 January, 2012, 07:39:57 pm
'He's' at it again on Empire   ::)

Seriously, why he kept posts same topics in many forums? Many media would still see him as the head fan of "Dredd club" whose not happy with new film!  :-[
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2012, 09:22:59 pm
So if Dredd flops, the money lost is pretty goddammed damaging for the film makers.



The film-makers won't lose a penny, only those investors who funded it, which I don't think will happen. Dredd hasn't got a huge amount of money behind it so it won't be hard to make it back at least 3 times over.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 21 January, 2012, 09:44:18 pm
Well they can pan it as much as they like before it's relased but speaking from a fans point of view I'm looking forward to seeing it. in 3D! :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 21 January, 2012, 10:16:15 pm
'He's' at it again on Empire   ::)

Seriously, why he kept posts same topics in many forums? Many media would still see him as the head fan of "Dredd club" whose not happy with new film!  :-[

Took the time to read his posts after your post expecting the same bats**t crazy stuff I read of his from years back, but I think his meds have kicked in because there are some valid points he makes albeit in his own inimitable way.The chief villian being a hardened prostitute thereby missing a physical threat (without weaponry that is), the other main character -Mega City One that is ,not getting a big enough look in missing all it's absurdities and craziness ,but being portrayed (hopefully not) as purely a slum city, concentrating on uber-violence (again hopefully not), the lack of satire if not humour -are all valid points.The 'sex scene' I have no problem with (if handled right) ,nor the R rating ,same proviso.
Couple of questions spung to mind after reading

#Who the hell is saucieboy?

#If John Wagner has actually seen the final cut was hasnt he just said he loved it ,was pleased with it or even liked it.Not saying any of the above is a bit of a worry.I think (I may be wrong) to date, he has purely couched his response in terms of what the film got right -'good actors, right direction ,a day in the life of Dredd et al ' which as fence-sitting goes is pretty high on the splinter factor.Has he actually seen the films final version?

 :-*
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2012, 10:22:47 pm
Scojo's arguments/rants are always based out-of-context, in the end he fails to make any sense.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 22 January, 2012, 02:59:55 am
Took the time to read his posts after your post expecting the same bats**t crazy stuff I read of his from years back, but I think his meds have kicked in because there are some valid points he makes albeit in his own inimitable way.The chief villian being a hardened prostitute thereby missing a physical threat (without weaponry that is), the other main character -Mega City One that is ,not getting a big enough look in missing all it's absurdities and craziness ,but being portrayed (hopefully not) as purely a slum city, concentrating on uber-violence (again hopefully not), the lack of satire if not humour -are all valid points.The 'sex scene' I have no problem with (if handled right) ,nor the R rating ,same proviso.
Couple of questions spung to mind after reading

I wouldn't take anything Sc**o says seriously, unless he's somehow seen the final cut with finished visual effect shots included, and I'm pretty darn sure he hasn't.  He doesn't know what Mega-City One is going to look like, and he certainly hasn't seen any footage of Lena Headey's performance as Ma-Ma in the film, so I don't think he can make any assumptions about either yet!  As far as the scope and scale of Mega-City One featured in the new film, the budget is $45m not $145m, but even that notwithstanding, Alex Garland has done EXACTLY the right thing in having the main body of the film take place in a residential block, it creates claustrophobia, tension, and suspense... a bit like that obscure little independent flick that nobody's seen, what's it called again, oh yeah, Die Hard !
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2012, 03:11:53 am
The city-block is Mega-City in miniature. In Mega-City everyone's looking for a release, an escape of some kind, either from the tedium or the Law; eveyone's a prisoner and this is condensed in the Peach Trees lock-down. It's the Judges Vs the Perps.



On a side note, just found out the Avengers has a marketing budget of $1 billion, it cost $200 million to produce the film- though I'm sure that's a lie.


(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6646/slide1nf.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 22 January, 2012, 07:49:26 am
So there's a Dredd basher on the Empire forum?
Why doesn't he post on here, or would he be banned?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Sector Chief on 22 January, 2012, 07:51:44 am
I think it would be great if 2000AD and the Megazine ran a competition to win tickets to the premiere of DREDD, anyone know if anything like that is planned?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 22 January, 2012, 08:47:07 am
Scott is a classic thrill sucker,hope when the dredd trailer comes out he gets that worked up he suffers spontaneous combustion :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 22 January, 2012, 09:08:39 am
as this is the main resource for the Dredd movie, is it really worthwhile spamming* it with how much of Douche Scojo is.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 22 January, 2012, 09:12:19 am
^

should we not set up a Scojo's a knobber, split this thread and leave this to the film discussion?

normally i wouldn't mind but i check on this every morning and get excited that theirs something new.. but no it's about people trawling the internet trying to find a nobodies comments, so they can be offended by it.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 22 January, 2012, 10:24:39 am
Changing the subject from that annoyance.

I don't recall anyone mentioning Michael Biehn autioned for the lead in Dredd.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr1414182 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr1414182)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 22 January, 2012, 10:28:32 am
Changing the subject from that annoyance.

I don't recall anyone mentioning Michael Biehn autioned for the lead in Dredd.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr1414182 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr1414182)
AUDITIONED- Why is there no edit facility in this!  :-[
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 22 January, 2012, 10:31:04 am
I think it would be great if 2000AD and the Megazine ran a competition to win tickets to the premiere of DREDD, anyone know if anything like that is planned?

I hope so it sounds like a good idea actually.

You win tickets to the premiere if you can guess the correct identity of the DREDD basher!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 22 January, 2012, 12:49:52 pm
^

normally i wouldn't mind but i check on this every morning and get excited that theirs something new.. but no it's about people trawling the internet trying to find a nobodies comments, so they can be offended by it.

Ditto. So much.

But I think it's a lost cause because as soon as someone tries to bring it back on track, someone else veers it off to nutter land again.

Changing the subject from that annoyance.

I don't recall anyone mentioning Michael Biehn autioned for the lead in Dredd.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr1414182 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/trivia?tab=tr&item=tr1414182)
AUDITIONED- Why is there no edit facility in this!  :-[

I quite like Biehn (in Alien, Terminator, even that Mag7 tv series where he played Chris), but he's getting on and I think Dredd was intended to start off the story when Joe was still youngish. Still, prefer Urban if it came to a tie - saw Red and Doom recently and I'm still happy with him as Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 22 January, 2012, 02:19:11 pm
Beihn would have been decent as an older Dredd certainly. As long as he was willing to keep the pot on his noggin, obviously.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 22 January, 2012, 03:44:39 pm
So who would you guys like to see play Judge Dredd in the sequel, if there is one?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 22 January, 2012, 04:03:44 pm
So who would you guys like to see play Judge Dredd in the sequel, if there is one?

If Urban does it well, then I say keep him in the role.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: malkymac on 22 January, 2012, 05:15:29 pm
So who would you guys like to see play Judge Dredd in the sequel, if there is one?

I think Stephen Lang would make a good older Dredd - got the build and the look for it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 22 January, 2012, 05:53:00 pm
I remember when the movie was first announced, a lot of people on the forum were suggesting Adam Baldwin. Having now seen him in action in Firefly, I would agree that he'd make a good Dredd.

But I'm perfectly happy with Urban - I think he'll be great.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 22 January, 2012, 06:24:58 pm
If Urban does it well, then I say keep him in the role.

As to see Urban as seriously, here the clip of him in Riddick and Bourne Supremacy (sorry for music!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVMA78dV50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVMA78dV50)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 22 January, 2012, 06:53:38 pm
So who would you guys like to see play Judge Dredd in the sequel, if there is one?


I'm sure Urban has signed for a sequel if the first film is a success.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 22 January, 2012, 07:58:57 pm
Just to hark back to movies Dredd and 2000ad might have influenced for a second: Went to a screening of the Mad Max trilogy last night which had a Q & A with Mel Gibson and was nice to hear Dredd get a mention as an influence on the style of the movies. George Miller was reading a ton of comics while he was making the movies and Dredd got a nice mention from the moderator when he was asking Mel about influences. Naturally, I clapped (like a fucking gobshite) and the moderator was like "Oh. There's one Judge Dredd fan here. Not talking about the movie." Like I needed him to tell me that! Anyways, good stuff...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 22 January, 2012, 08:34:52 pm
Cool anecdote!

Did Mel confirm whether he'd make an appearance in the new Max film?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 22 January, 2012, 09:24:28 pm
If Urban does it well, then I say keep him in the role.

As to see Urban as seriously, here the clip of him in Riddick and Bourne Supremacy (sorry for music!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVMA78dV50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVMA78dV50)

Cheers for that!

How many sequels would you like to see Dredd run to? As many as Bat Man, or Star Trek. Myself I'd love a T.V. srerial Animated or otherwise.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2012, 09:57:24 pm
Just to hark back to movies Dredd and 2000ad might have influenced for a second: Went to a screening of the Mad Max trilogy last night which had a Q & A with Mel Gibson and was nice to hear Dredd get a mention as an influence on the style of the movies.



It wore its influence  on its sleeve, or on its poster at least:


(http://www.moviegoods.com//Assets/product_images/1020/466403.1020.A.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 22 January, 2012, 10:05:17 pm
If Urban does it well, then I say keep him in the role.

As to see Urban as seriously, here the clip of him in Riddick and Bourne Supremacy (sorry for music!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVMA78dV50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVMA78dV50)

Cheers for that!

How many sequels would you like to see Dredd run to? As many as Bat Man, or Star Trek. Myself I'd love a T.V. srerial Animated or otherwise.

IF there will be sequels, it'll be 2, as these things go.. Then it'll be 5 years after the third one for another reboot..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 22 January, 2012, 10:07:41 pm
Just to hark back to movies Dredd and 2000ad might have influenced for a second: Went to a screening of the Mad Max trilogy last night which had a Q & A with Mel Gibson and was nice to hear Dredd get a mention as an influence on the style of the movies.



It wore its influence  on its sleeve, or on its poster at least:


(http://www.moviegoods.com//Assets/product_images/1020/466403.1020.A.jpg)


And on its shoulder pads!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 22 January, 2012, 10:17:46 pm
I've always seen the influence in Mad Max, particularly the second one, myself. Just never heard it mentioned directly from anyone on the production. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2012, 10:21:02 pm
It always seemed it was only the first Mad Max that carried the Dredd influences. The series became its own thing with the Road Warrior.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 22 January, 2012, 10:28:08 pm



(http://www.moviegoods.com//Assets/product_images/1020/466403.1020.A.jpg)
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That is how Dredd should have looked, IMO.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2012, 10:30:31 pm
That is how Dredd should have looked, IMO.


He kinda does in the new film, there's a good balance berween the comic and bike gear. I think it's too austere for Dredd to be as stripped-down as that image though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2012, 10:34:41 pm
Plus it looks pretty much like Fargo's proto-judge look in Origins
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 23 January, 2012, 01:51:07 am
Hey Joe dude, I read on this newly-fangled interweb contraption that there's only 113 visual effect shots in Dredd, and not the 800 previously reported (the 800 shots mentioned are the stereoscopic 3-D shots), and that the work on the effects wrapped in October, you seem to be clued in to what's going on with Dredd, is this true, and do you have any related links for it...?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2012, 02:07:33 am
Yes it's true, at least in the context of work performed by someone who worked on the film last year:

Shahid Malik

FX Supervisor on Dredd
Prime Focus Film
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; PFOCUS; Entertainment industry
February 2011 – October 2011 (9 months) London, United Kingdom

Created and/or specified all the 113 FX shots on Judge Dredd feature film reboot. Managed a total team of 10 FX artists.



http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/shahid-malik/22/b5/807



I don't see anything to be concerned about though, there were around 200 FX shots in the '95 Dredd which is a bigger film with more varied locations. The new Dredd was a fairly practical shoot -in one location- that doesn't use CGI as a visual crutch. I expect the CGI will be mostly backgrounds/exteriors of the city/blocks and specific incidents within the city-block itself, nothing huge. Don't forget the work of the talented cinematographer Anthiny Dod Mantle who will add so much to how it will look.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2012, 02:11:26 am
There are also other companies besides Prime Focus that are handling FX shots such as Base Black and the Mill. Whether their work is included in this count is unknown.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2012, 02:22:57 am
Remember there's no contextual confirmation on any of these numbers. The average modern film can have around 2000-5000 cuts these days so there could well be 800 FX shots in Dredd but it depends on the nature of the FX and whether any 3D conversion for certain shots is included in that number.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 23 January, 2012, 07:40:19 am
IF there will be sequels, it'll be 2, as these things go.. Then it'll be 5 years after the third one for another reboot..

Yeah that would sound about right, if we're lucky. I know from 1995 to the present day seems a long while to wait though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 23 January, 2012, 09:27:39 am
That's not visual effects as opposed to digital effects or is the distinction no longer made ?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 23 January, 2012, 10:13:31 am
Primarily visual effects tended to be anything that wasn't on set, e.g. models/miniatures, laser blasts etc.

So visual could still include miniatures/models if they're used - not sure where something done in camera like the Lord of the Rings would sit...

Pretty sure special effects would be more on-set pyrotechnics, that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 23 January, 2012, 12:29:41 pm
Mmmm lots of talks about the budget, the 1995 film, effects etc...

Well To Budget, or Not To Budget, That is the Question. SO WHAT? It is good budget for new Dredd, and not over budget of "200 milions" like many blockbusters films as too many on productions, nothing on scripts! like Pirates, Transformers, Green Lantern etc.

The fact is that the film will be out in 8 MONTHS! Fuck the 1995 film, Fuck the Scott/Scojo's most saddest person in the world, Fuck the moans about lack of info of the film, just patience and wait, and it will coming.

Just very excited about film on way in Sept, I will be see it, no matters what people says or moans about the film.

And Joe Soap, you are a great person on here for update the information, thank you, and kept doing it :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 23 January, 2012, 12:55:06 pm
Hear! Hear! Goaty. I've said it once and I'll probably say it again before September. I'm really looking forward to watching this film :o with me 3d specs on!

How many times to you guys reckon you will go and see it on the big screen? Speaking for myself, I'll need to see it about 3-4 times to get my Dredd hunger fed!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 23 January, 2012, 01:38:26 pm
At least twice. Once in regular and once in 3D.






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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 23 January, 2012, 01:50:26 pm
Will go a few times if it's good.

Once if it's shit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 January, 2012, 01:54:09 pm
I'll probably end up going three times, even if it is shit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 23 January, 2012, 02:22:16 pm
I already told my mates I'm sitting in a posh brown chair on day of release.  I'm avoiding spoilers, don't mind seeing the odd image.

It could let me down but I'm going to give the film a very fair chance at giving me what it has got - I'll decide what I think about it afterwards.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 23 January, 2012, 02:31:31 pm
It's Dredd. It can't be shit!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 23 January, 2012, 02:40:16 pm
The last one was.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 23 January, 2012, 02:51:49 pm
Yeah I agree. Not so shit I didn't watch it 3 times. Got the dvd here too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 23 January, 2012, 03:40:56 pm
Once at the swanky digi screen at Manchesters Printworks and 2 or 3 at my local fleapit.
My guess it won't be at the flicks for ages like most BIG films so i can see two weeks of excessive motorbike trips too and from.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 23 January, 2012, 04:17:16 pm
Seeing as there's next to no chance of it playing first run at my local odeon, and only a scant possibility of it playing evenings for a week second run, id imagine i'll rent it on dvd about xmastime.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 23 January, 2012, 04:23:33 pm
Yeah, I'll have to pay for transport to get to the nearest cinema, it also depends on the price of the tickets.

How much did it cost to see avatar in 3d...does anyone know?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 January, 2012, 04:26:37 pm
Weirdly, there's a chance that I might be living in America by the time Dredd comes out!

Hope there'll be somewhere showing it close by...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 23 January, 2012, 04:30:11 pm
Why's that radiator, work, or are you emigrating?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2012, 06:02:24 pm
Weirdly, there's a chance that I might be living in America by the time Dredd comes out!


Extradition huh.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 23 January, 2012, 07:28:55 pm
Seeing as there's next to no chance of it playing first run at my local odeon, and only a scant possibility of it playing evenings for a week second run, id imagine i'll rent it on dvd about xmastime.

SBT

There's a thought... will it be out on DVD/Bluray by Xmas.

With a September theatrical release date I'd doubt it would be.

Anyone know if a DVD date has been set yet?? (assuming it isn't straight to DVD!!)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 23 January, 2012, 08:38:56 pm
Why do people keep saying straight to DVD. Have you got cloth in your ears or something.




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2012, 08:46:07 pm
Word from John Wagner:



The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2012, 09:12:27 pm
Word from John Wagner:



The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February.

This is great news and explains a lot.No way would John Wagner give his verdict on a film that wasnt completely finished ,so thats reassuring why he hasnt done so to date.Glad to see he thinks he FX are cool as well :cool:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 23 January, 2012, 10:42:44 pm
Word from John Wagner:



The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February.


Frikkin A!  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 23 January, 2012, 10:51:32 pm
Weirdly, there's a chance that I might be living in America by the time Dredd comes out!


Extradition huh.

*g*

Word from John Wagner:



The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February.

This is great news and explains a lot.No way would John Wagner give his verdict on a film that wasnt completely finished ,so thats reassuring why he hasnt done so to date.Glad to see he thinks he FX are cool as well :cool:

So, bearing all that in mind, what's the guestimate now on when a trailer is likely? I'm not badgering, just curious - all this industry talk is totally new to me, and it's interesting.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2012, 10:59:02 pm
March or after but maybe more stills inbetween.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 23 January, 2012, 11:11:36 pm
That all sounds very encouraging especially if Mr Wagner sounds content. :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: W. R. Logan on 24 January, 2012, 12:48:09 am
Once.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 24 January, 2012, 03:23:00 am
Word from John Wagner:
The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February.[/i]

Firstly, cheers again for the info Joe, you're a diamond geezer :thumbsup:, but what I will also say is that's a great update from John Wagner, he genuinely seems enthused and well pleased with the film (and that's the only seal of approval on Dredd I'll rely one in advance), but if all post-production wraps in February (I think a teaser trailer will be released in time for 2000 AD's 35th anniversary in March), we still have to wait another SEVEN FLIPPIN' MONTHS to see the finished film, aw c'mon :D...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 24 January, 2012, 03:58:29 am
There's a thought... will it be out on DVD/Bluray by Xmas.
With a September theatrical release date I'd doubt it would be.
Anyone know if a DVD date has been set yet?? (assuming it isn't straight to DVD!!)

If Dredd is released in late September, which it is, the DVD and Bluray release will likely be January, or maybe just before Christmas to capitalise on the pressies-buying season.  What special features would you lot hope to be included on the home release formats; audio commentary, 'making of' doc (then we can all see what Michaelvk looks like in the flesh :lol:), featurettes on costumes/visual effects/fight and weapons training/production design/the look of MC-1/etc, a documentary on the origins, development, and influence of the comic-book, y'know, things like that... also hope it's a two-disc set so all memory capacity on the disc with the actual film on it is concentrated on presenting the very best picture and sound quality that technology can produce...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: W. R. Logan on 24 January, 2012, 07:02:36 am
Quote
If DreddWhat special features would you lot hope to be included on the home release

A commentary by Scojo 8-)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 24 January, 2012, 07:11:44 am
Ace to base.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 January, 2012, 08:41:38 am

What would ruined the future sequels of this film? The illegal download of the movie.  :(
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 24 January, 2012, 09:39:09 am

What would ruined the future sequels of this film?

Scojo swapping the reels for his own fan film!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 24 January, 2012, 10:13:00 am
Apparently Dredd has some new competition:

Relativity also pushed back the Jennifer Lawrence-starrer House at the End of the Street from April 20th to September 21st. The horror thriller will go up against Dredd and Hotel Transylvania on the new release date.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86242 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=86242)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 January, 2012, 10:44:50 am
I wouldn't call that competition.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 24 January, 2012, 11:00:42 am
Thanks Joe.

 I was going to say something like that but didn't want to be accused of being shallow. :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 24 January, 2012, 11:48:29 am
Jennifer Lawrence? I have no idea who that is.

Hotel Transylvania? Again, no idea, except it sounds vampish and oh my lord, will they not die already?!! I have had it up to - here - with vamps. Despite the fact I didn't like Priest much, it was still the best vamp movie just for the post-apocalyptic vibe, the barren desserts, walled cities, steampunkish gear and, more importantly, total downlow on smouldering vamps in silk and whatnots.

I hope the dvd release is packed with specials ala LOTR style. I doubt it but I'm hoping desperately for it. I want to see at least an hour spent on Dredd's helmet alone. Commentary of course, but a choice with the option to hear the director/prods/Anthony Dod etc, another with the actors. Wagner and others behind the comic would be good too, but failing that, a special on them alone.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 24 January, 2012, 11:51:22 am
Deserts!

*joins the edit-button-pitchfork-posse*
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 24 January, 2012, 12:03:37 pm
Jennifer Lawrence? I have no idea who that is.

The young Mystique from X-Men: First Class.  She purdy.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 January, 2012, 01:09:54 pm
Jennifer Lawrence, of X-Men First Class, but House at the End of the Street is not competition for Dredd!

Joe Soap, cant believe what I read on Empire Forum about Dredd today, how still annoyed was Scojo!

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 24 January, 2012, 02:39:40 pm
While Wagner has been positive about the film, the most recent statements from him seem to me somewhat lukewarm - cautiously optimistic rather than high praise. It's hard to tell, as Wagner tends to talk in a very even-handed way - it can be hard to discern, but the I didn't find as much to get excited about in the LA Times interview as many others.

The confirmation of reshoots is a little worrying also (and might lend a bit of credence to the 'creative differences' rumours - I assumed they were just filming pickups in London rater than reshoots. I wonder if Travis was involved?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 24 January, 2012, 03:22:45 pm
'Reshoots' doesnt actually mean they have ditched a whole setup, no matter how good your storyboard and DOP etc etc there is always a chance of something missed, and not an indication of anything negative going on.

To me it shows they are polishing rather than just working with what they have got .....

Anyone reflecting on the rather lukewarm comments about the behind the scenes 'news' ought to watch 'The Making Of RoboCop' as an example of on set problems etc often meaning sod all to the success of the finished film.

Over budget, over deadline, and the first action film by a 'new' director, the set was frequented by the financers worried over their investment, and a horrid place to work, esp in the 110 odd degrees heat of the set.

The suit was taken one direction only to be redesigned at the last minute, a result of which meant the SFX artist (Rob Bottin) behind it wouldnt even speak to the Director. The suit itself only arrived on set the day of the first day of filming- and took a further 11 hours to finish fit over Peter Weller. He'd trained his robot movements with a choreographer for months only to find that with the suit on all the training wouldnt work.
The suit was considered pivotal point of the film, dont forget.

Oh- and dont forget the reshoots and delays The Predator went through when the original design of suit failed to perform on site..

Read Luc Besson's The Fifth Element book and you would think he hated every moment on set ( he prob did)

Most of the crew hated Ridley Scott while shooting Blade Runner

None of them turned out as bad movies....



Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 24 January, 2012, 03:44:54 pm
I think people have got a tendency to fear the worst at the drop of a hat about the new Dredd film. I didn't read any negativity into John Wagner's comments at all. I'm trying to remain cautiously optimistic about it all.

None of them turned out as bad movies....

...except the Fifth Element, that was a pile of shit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 24 January, 2012, 03:49:53 pm
...except the Fifth Element, that was a pile of shit.

Report to Mek-Quake for 'reconditioning', earthlet.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 24 January, 2012, 03:51:15 pm
None of them turned out as bad movies....

...except the Fifth Element, that was a pile of shit.

Just goes to show how its all subjective.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 January, 2012, 03:52:44 pm
...except the Fifth Element, that was a pile of shit.

Nah, it's awsome! Very simple of Mega-City and Police uniforms to Judges!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 24 January, 2012, 04:00:17 pm
Oh yeah, I think some of the design work is great. The city, vehicles, costumes are all cool.

The story though; crap. It's nerdy wish fulfilment, sub - 'magical girlfriend anime' wank fantasy.

The alien grunts; crap. The Saturday Morning Cartoon baddies; crap, Chris Tucker; The Worst Thing Ever Commited To Film, the comedy monks; crap. That's all I can remember about it now. I've purged my brain of the rest of the awfulness.

Of course, this is all just my opinion. If you dig it, fair do's.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 24 January, 2012, 04:06:38 pm
Hotel Transylvania is a 3D animation, appealing to families.

House at the End of the Street looks like the date movie of the weekend. It's low budget with a female lead, and a cynical guess would be that it's not expected to do well and has been pushed closer to the Halloween flicks to get some business.

I'd be more concerned about the previous week's Argo -- the true story of a rescue during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. That's going to get a lot of attention in America. Also the Bruce Willis helmed Looper sounds like it'll crush Dredd's second weekend.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 24 January, 2012, 04:57:20 pm
It really is all subjective; I absolutely loved Fifth Element, thought it was funny as hell, fell in love with Milla, fell in love with Gary Oldman all over again and adored Ian Holm. And I liked Tucker too.

Whereas Argo? I'd run the other way.

Looper, I'd see that, but I think crushing is a bit extreme. There's a likely overlap of target audience there, so I'm still optimistic. I can't be the only one who'll see both.

And re Wagner - the man's been burnt once already. If I were him, I'd definitely be cautious too. I'm trying to imagine myself in his shoes - dream come true, something you create is getting the big movie treatment, and what happens? In your face codpiece. Gutted.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 24 January, 2012, 07:55:18 pm
Do you think there will be a 1 minute documentary on the PR of the dredd film when we get a dvd blu-ray? ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 24 January, 2012, 08:43:06 pm
Do you think there will be a 1 minute documentary on the PR of the dredd film when we get a dvd blu-ray? ;)

Now you are just being silly...


...it won't be that long.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 January, 2012, 08:44:03 pm
Do you think there will be a 1 minute documentary on the PR of the dredd film when we get a dvd blu-ray? ;)

Now you are just being silly...


...it won't be that long.

well there is 24 frames in one second? So... about 12 frames worth of Documentary?  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Psidude on 24 January, 2012, 08:49:14 pm
very good guys :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 24 January, 2012, 11:13:23 pm

Just seen The Darkest Hour with Olivia Thirlby in it.This movie is slated by so-called critics on IMBD but I
actually enjoyed it.The premise was very interesting , the effects were good and it had some unique action scenes (that alone puts it above a lot of films).It lacked a high quality script and characterisation and included a fair number of dubious if not dumb  choices made by the characters, but they were teenagers after all (those who perennially chose to investigate a 'strange noise' outside ,armed only with a flashlight and lots of testostrone).
Given what she had to work with, which is what you can only judge someone on, I think Olivia Thirlby was great in it, I now have higher expectations for her as Anderson and that she will deliver. :) 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 25 January, 2012, 01:34:28 am
I think Olivia Thirlby was great in it,

I have to agree, that film wasn't too bad considering it's budget but she was just about the only memorable thing in the movie.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 25 January, 2012, 06:56:34 am
You can never trust film reviews. I've read lots that have panned a film only to find out later when I got round to viewing it that it was really good, and vice versa. It seems a lot of these so called reviews are politically motivated by those in the film industry. My guess is the critics are going to give DREDD about 2 ## out of ##### , but that the film itself for a general audience would be much in the way you've described The Darkest hour, and that 2000ad fans will love it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 25 January, 2012, 03:21:02 pm
[It] included a fair number of dubious if not dumb  choices made by the characters, but they were teenagers after all (those who perennially chose to investigate a 'strange noise' outside ,armed only with a flashlight and lots of testostrone).

That's also one of the more annoying criticisms levelled at horror films. I'd hazard a guess most people in real life do indeed investigate strange noises because, y'know. The whole killer lying-in-wait thing? That sort only happens to other people. Or those idiots wot populate all those stupid horror films.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bubba Zebill on 25 January, 2012, 03:52:08 pm
You can never trust film reviews. I've read lots that have panned a film only to find out later when I got round to viewing it that it was really good, and vice versa. It seems a lot of these so called reviews are politically motivated by those in the film industry.

Very true. I've had the same experience. The film will be fine no matter what as a kind of a pantomime homage to the comic. Although Hollywood would love us all to think film is the higher medium, it's not, the comic cannot be surpassed in this case. Like great books, the medium and story are one.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Third Estate Ned on 25 January, 2012, 06:38:38 pm
I agree with the S. Moore about the comic being the primary medium for the character, regardless of how the film is. It reminded me of another Moore's comment, when he was discussing Watchmen the film vs. the comic.

"When it's just lines on paper, the reader is in control of the experience – it's a tableau vivant. And that gives it the necessary distance. It's not the same when you're being dragged through it at 24 frames per second."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/16/alan-moore-watchmen-lost-girls (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/16/alan-moore-watchmen-lost-girls)

I love daydreaming about MC1 when I see better examples of the artwork. Recent examples I liked were in Mandroid and the Henry Flint collection. If the film doesn't work out the way we want, it's just one party's vision of what everyone else has their own mental version of. Alternatively, even if the comic can't be surpassed, the film might provide a new way of considering what we see on the page and could improve the experience.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 25 January, 2012, 06:40:12 pm
Regarding the documentary side of things.. I got interviewed for a bit longer than a second on what I was up to.. Unless it gets cut out because of you-know-what..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 25 January, 2012, 06:44:18 pm
'Reshoots' doesnt actually mean they have ditched a whole setup, no matter how good your storyboard and DOP etc etc there is always a chance of something missed, and not an indication of anything negative going on.

To me it shows they are polishing rather than just working with what they have got .....

Anyone reflecting on the rather lukewarm comments about the behind the scenes 'news' ought to watch 'The Making Of RoboCop' as an example of on set problems etc often meaning sod all to the success of the finished film.

Over budget, over deadline, and the first action film by a 'new' director, the set was frequented by the financers worried over their investment, and a horrid place to work, esp in the 110 odd degrees heat of the set.

The suit was taken one direction only to be redesigned at the last minute, a result of which meant the SFX artist (Rob Bottin) behind it wouldnt even speak to the Director. The suit itself only arrived on set the day of the first day of filming- and took a further 11 hours to finish fit over Peter Weller. He'd trained his robot movements with a choreographer for months only to find that with the suit on all the training wouldnt work.
The suit was considered pivotal point of the film, dont forget.

Oh- and dont forget the reshoots and delays The Predator went through when the original design of suit failed to perform on site..

Read Luc Besson's The Fifth Element book and you would think he hated every moment on set ( he prob did)

Most of the crew hated Ridley Scott while shooting Blade Runner

None of them turned out as bad movies....

  ...and don't forget James Cameron with The Terminator.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 25 January, 2012, 07:17:14 pm
'Reshoots' doesnt actually mean they have ditched a whole setup, no matter how good your storyboard and DOP etc etc there is always a chance of something missed, and not an indication of anything negative going on.

To me it shows they are polishing rather than just working with what they have got .....

Anyone reflecting on the rather lukewarm comments about the behind the scenes 'news' ought to watch 'The Making Of RoboCop' as an example of on set problems etc often meaning sod all to the success of the finished film.

Over budget, over deadline, and the first action film by a 'new' director, the set was frequented by the financers worried over their investment, and a horrid place to work, esp in the 110 odd degrees heat of the set.

The suit was taken one direction only to be redesigned at the last minute, a result of which meant the SFX artist (Rob Bottin) behind it wouldnt even speak to the Director. The suit itself only arrived on set the day of the first day of filming- and took a further 11 hours to finish fit over Peter Weller. He'd trained his robot movements with a choreographer for months only to find that with the suit on all the training wouldnt work.
The suit was considered pivotal point of the film, dont forget.

Oh- and dont forget the reshoots and delays The Predator went through when the original design of suit failed to perform on site..

Read Luc Besson's The Fifth Element book and you would think he hated every moment on set ( he prob did)

Most of the crew hated Ridley Scott while shooting Blade Runner

None of them turned out as bad movies....

  ...and don't forget James Cameron with The Terminator.

And on "Aliens" as well.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 25 January, 2012, 07:41:58 pm
You can never trust film reviews. I've read lots that have panned a film only to find out later when I got round to viewing it that it was really good, and vice versa. It seems a lot of these so called reviews are politically motivated by those in the film industry. My guess is the critics are going to give DREDD about 2 ## out of ##### , but that the film itself for a general audience would be much in the way you've described The Darkest hour, and that 2000ad fans will love it.
The thing is with reviewers is that if a film that they have been sent to watch is not their cup of tea then they will mark it down. I have never been influenced a film on a review alone. Someones goose is anothers gander.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 25 January, 2012, 08:50:01 pm

Most of the crew hated Ridley Scott while shooting Blade Runner

None of them turned out as bad movies....

  ...and don't forget James Cameron with The Terminator.



And on "Aliens" as well.

And he was shooting at people on Titanic!

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 25 January, 2012, 08:50:57 pm
And he was shooting at people on Titanic!

Oop sorry that was French and Saunders Spoof on (Making of) Titanic! Lol  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pakvWy8I59A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pakvWy8I59A)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 25 January, 2012, 08:52:30 pm
Dear vzzbxxx

I know that, you know that, but do the...

Thing is, if a film gets a load of bad reviews it gets a bad reputation as being a turkey, (Dredd1) which is bad for the morale of the true fans.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 January, 2012, 08:59:37 pm
Thing is, if a film gets a load of bad reviews it gets a bad reputation as being a turkey, (Dredd1) which is bad for the morale of the true fans.


...but that film deservedly got bad reviews and was rightly buried.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 25 January, 2012, 09:01:07 pm


Very true. I've had the same experience. The film will be fine no matter what as a kind of a pantomime homage to the comic. Although Hollywood would love us all to think film is the higher medium, it's not, the comic cannot be surpassed in this case. Like great books, the medium and story are one.

Asterix the Gaul is another example of this. A wonderful strip that just got turned into a very bad film. There is a new version of Tin Tin coming, will that live up to the books' standards? O.K. it's a hard job to cram a few years worth of storytelling into a 2 hour long film, but they always seem to fall far short of expectations. The Great Gatsby was another disaster. I'd like to see Dredd as an half hour series for T.V., this worked with The Xmen I thought. Why not Dredd?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 January, 2012, 09:08:04 pm
There is a new version of Tin Tin coming, will that live up to the books' standards?


Coming? It's been and gone since last year.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 25 January, 2012, 09:09:45 pm
Quote
I'd like to see Dredd as an half hour series for T.V., this worked with The Xmen I thought. Why not Dredd?

1. Because Dredd is unknown in the US - the biggest market for that sort of thing.

2. Because Dredd, by it's nature, is violent and controversial and would never, ever be greenlit for a kid's cartoon for these reasons. Strip out the violence and the satire and you're left with Lawman of the Future, and we all know how that turned out.

3. Dredd is totally obscure compared to a tried and tested property like X Men.

Dredd made as a proper grown up drama by one of the big US networks - something like The Pit, like Hill Street Blues set in the future - would be mind-blowingly good. It's never gonna happen though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 25 January, 2012, 09:15:03 pm
I'd like to see Dredd as an half hour series for T.V., this worked with The Xmen I thought. Why not Dredd?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzSGvXc_PM
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzSGvXc_PM)
Really?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 25 January, 2012, 09:39:34 pm
I wouldn't rule out Dredd working as on T.V at all as long as it is treated with some respect. I would much prefer to see an anime version along the lines of Gungrave or Ghost in the Shell with intelligent writing and a proper story arc, aimed at an adult audience. Otherwise if you're talking about the Saturday morning cartoon stuff I say don't even bother.

Above all I want to see it done properly on film first.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 25 January, 2012, 09:40:49 pm
I think Dredd is probably as well known as stuff like Green Lantern or Iron Man, to be honest. People are familiar with the idea, if not the details. Even if they're familiar with the character primarily from the Stallone film, they're still aware of the concept and open to seeing a 'grim and gritty' take on it.

Do people even need to be familiar with the concept anyway? Positive word of mouth works better than anything else, in my opinion. Worked for District 9.

Also I do think there is a distinction between a film reviewer and film critic. The former is more heavily based on subjective opinion/prejudice (I don't like westerns etc.) while the latter is more concerned about taking a film at face value and finding out if it succeeds or fails in its intended goals, whether they be genre-based or what-have-you.

The only kind of film that is entirely subjective is comedy.  :P
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 25 January, 2012, 11:37:35 pm
Green Lantern and Ironman are probably a heck of a lot more well known in USA than Dredd.


Quote
I'd like to see Dredd as an half hour series for T.V., this worked with The Xmen I thought. Why not Dredd?

1. Because Dredd is unknown in the US - the biggest market for that sort of thing.

2. Because Dredd, by it's nature, is violent and controversial and would never, ever be greenlit for a kid's cartoon for these reasons. Strip out the violence and the satire and you're left with Lawman of the Future, and we all know how that turned out.

3. Dredd is totally obscure compared to a tried and tested property like X Men.

Dredd made as a proper grown up drama by one of the big US networks - something like The Pit, like Hill Street Blues set in the future - would be mind-blowingly good. It's never gonna happen though.

What Radiator said, enumeration & final summary.  It 'could' be down brilliantly as a TV series but sadly that isn't likely either side of the pond.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Jared Katooie on 25 January, 2012, 11:38:21 pm
Can we please call this film by its correct title?

It's not 'Dredd', it's DR3DD.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 25 January, 2012, 11:46:03 pm
Says who? Still billed as Dredd on IMDB.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 26 January, 2012, 12:12:03 am
Green Lantern and Ironman are probably a heck of a lot more well known in USA than Dredd.

Iron Man, maybe. But before the film came out, I don't think GL was very well known. Probably why it spent SO much time trying to explain every nuance of continuity throughout that awful, awful film.

Again, i think JD and the idea is at least as well known as that character based purely on the fact there was already a big budget blockbuster made 15 years ago. Poeple still talk about how terrible it is :P

Hell I'm pretty sure I saw it referenced in an episode of Community not too long ago!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 26 January, 2012, 12:58:00 am
Hey I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but I was watching Magnum Force (Dirty Harry) the other day and realised that the intro is the same as the intro for the leaked script. Thought it was pretty clever of Garland considering Judge Dredd was partially  inspired by Dirty Harry.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 January, 2012, 01:18:48 am
It's one shot that's similar in the intro to Dredd the character.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 26 January, 2012, 07:13:37 am
I'd still like to see a series of ~Judge Dredd. After the 9.00 watershed of course, although that's lost it's relevance nowadays.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 26 January, 2012, 11:03:42 am
Green Lantern and Iron Man are INFINITELY more popular and well known than Dredd, especially in the US.

It still surprises me just how much fans of Dredd overestimate the popularity and marketability of the property.

In terms of broad awareness I'd say it's more on the level of something like Jonah Hex.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 26 January, 2012, 11:06:16 am
Conversely I'd say a lot of us underestimate the cultural impact he has had in the UK. It often surprises me when he's mentioned in mainstream press or caricatured but it really shouldn't.   
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 26 January, 2012, 11:20:59 am
Quote
Conversely I'd say a lot of us underestimate the cultural impact he has had in the UK.

Yeah, in the UK. Even so, I'd be willing to bet that most people would be surprised to learn that Dredd/2000ad is still going. But everywhere else, he is known - pretty much exclusively - for the Stallone film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 26 January, 2012, 11:50:01 am
Green Lantern and Ironman are probably a heck of a lot more well known in USA than Dredd.

Iron Man, maybe. But before the film came out, I don't think GL was very well known. Probably why it spent SO much time trying to explain every nuance of continuity throughout that awful, awful film.

Again, i think JD and the idea is at least as well known as that character based purely on the fact there was already a big budget blockbuster made 15 years ago. Poeple still talk about how terrible it is :P

Hell I'm pretty sure I saw it referenced in an episode of Community not too long ago!

Green Lantern and Iron Man are INFINITELY more popular and well known than Dredd, especially in the US.

It still surprises me just how much fans of Dredd overestimate the popularity and marketability of the property.

In terms of broad awareness I'd say it's more on the level of something like Jonah Hex.

Look here, http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-12.html, as Radiator says, Green Lantern is pure and simply way ahead of any 2000AD character in USA.  Quite why anyone thinks that one of the top DC characters can be less well known in USA than Judge Dredd is beyond me.

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow. In other words the central characters of Justice League since Silver Age...  They outsell Marvel.

Don't misunderstand how well the UK market knows US products with how well USA know UK products - in almost any market.  US Comics, TV & Film have constantly been imported to UK.  USA mostly watch and buy domestic products.

Of course as a Dredd fan I know they are missing out.  If they give 2000AD a far crack it should be a huge market force.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 26 January, 2012, 11:50:56 am
Quote
Conversely I'd say a lot of us underestimate the cultural impact he has had in the UK.

Yeah, in the UK. Even so, I'd be willing to bet that most people would be surprised to learn that Dredd/2000ad is still going. But everywhere else, he is known - pretty much exclusively - for the Stallone film.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 26 January, 2012, 12:41:14 pm
I accept it's only wishful thinking on my part. I never really thought of Dredd being a cult thing though. Well not in the U.K.. Him becoming a cult figure would be as bad as him becoming Disneyfied by the American markets.... "buy your Judge Dredd pencil case.." :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 26 January, 2012, 12:49:24 pm
Mega City One Theme Park.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 26 January, 2012, 03:55:24 pm
Hate to say it but beyond a hardcore bunch of comic fans, Dredd isn't well-known at all over here in Los Angeles. Even finding Dredd material in the well-known comic stores is a tough slog. People may not know the ins and outs of Green Lantern but they are at the very least aware he's a comic property in the same way they know that with Thor and Iron Man. Dredd is associated first and foremost as a movie Stallone was in that cost way too much and everyone laughed at as his career flew into a mountain. And everyone mixes it up with Demolition Man. So that's great.

To be honest, as we get closer to September, I'm starting to get a little concerned about what kind of reception it'll get. I don't know what Priest brought in box office wise but I can't help but think it'll be treated, marketed and received similarly as in an extreme niche release.

Also, I know we've been through the whole "director locked out of Dredd" nonsense and come through the other side but that story really seems to have stuck in people's consciousness. It made pretty big news here when it came out and I'm willing to (sadly) take bets that practically every review will begin with that story.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 26 January, 2012, 04:51:44 pm
If it's a good Dredd film that sticks to the feel and badassitude of the comic then I think the yanks will be in for a shock.

If.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 January, 2012, 07:06:33 pm
Hate to say it but beyond a hardcore bunch of comic fans, Dredd isn't well-known at all over here in Los Angeles...
Also, I know we've been through the whole "director locked out of Dredd" nonsense and come through the other side but that story really seems to have stuck in people's consciousness. It made pretty big news here when it came out and I'm willing to (sadly) take bets that practically every review will begin with that story.


Was it pretty big news to people who never heard or Dredd?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 26 January, 2012, 07:12:55 pm
If it's a good Dredd film that sticks to the feel and badassitude of the comic then I think the yanks will be in for a shock.

If.

Only another eight or so months and we can find out.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 26 January, 2012, 07:16:17 pm
Hate to say it but beyond a hardcore bunch of comic fans, Dredd isn't well-known at all over here in Los Angeles...
Also, I know we've been through the whole "director locked out of Dredd" nonsense and come through the other side but that story really seems to have stuck in people's consciousness. It made pretty big news here when it came out and I'm willing to (sadly) take bets that practically every review will begin with that story.


Was it pretty big news to people who never heard or Dredd?

Y'know, it kinda was.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 27 January, 2012, 12:43:02 am
Look here, http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-12.html, as Radiator says, Green Lantern is pure and simply way ahead of any 2000AD character in USA.  Quite why anyone thinks that one of the top DC characters can be less well known in USA than Judge Dredd is beyond me.

Those are comic book fans. I'm talking about normal people  :D

Dredd is associated first and foremost as a movie Stallone was in that cost way too much and everyone laughed at as his career flew into a mountain.

This is my point: people are aware of the character/property even if it is a negative association.

I don't think it's all that important anyway, frankly. Did it help the likes of Ghost Rider or Green Lantern? Or Watchmen?!

If the films good, it'll help spread good word of mouth. It's the kind of film, like District 9, that can build buzz and 'come out of nowhere'. Alternatively it'll suck and flop  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 27 January, 2012, 03:31:20 am
Hate to say it but beyond a hardcore bunch of comic fans, Dredd isn't well-known at all over here in Los Angeles. Even finding Dredd material in the well-known comic stores is a tough slog. People may not know the ins and outs of Green Lantern but they are at the very least aware he's a comic property in the same way they know that with Thor and Iron Man. Dredd is associated first and foremost as a movie Stallone was in that cost way too much and everyone laughed at as his career flew into a mountain. And everyone mixes it up with Demolition Man. So that's great.
To be honest, as we get closer to September, I'm starting to get a little concerned about what kind of reception it'll get. I don't know what Priest brought in box office wise but I can't help but think it'll be treated, marketed and received similarly as in an extreme niche release.
Also, I know we've been through the whole "director locked out of Dredd" nonsense and come through the other side but that story really seems to have stuck in people's consciousness. It made pretty big news here when it came out and I'm willing to (sadly) take bets that practically every review will begin with that story.

Would I be naive in believing if Dredd turns out to be something of a corker, all the negative memories of That-1995-Movie and the (completely unsubstantiated) rumours of discontent between Pete Travis and the Dredd producers will be forgotten about, and Dredd will be both redeemed and accepted as a viable cinematic property... I certainly hope so, I really - no, make that REALLY - wanna see a sequel with you-know-who in it, and with the DNA Films' guys handling the property right now, I think it's at least a 60/40 shot in favour of a Dredd sequel (around the $65-$70m range) getting a greenlight...!?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: klute on 27 January, 2012, 09:34:52 am
Has there been any indication when they will start with publicity for Dredd if so and i've missed it apology's.

By publicity i mean aside from the odd interview and picture here and there?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 January, 2012, 12:34:25 pm
Would I be naive in believing if Dredd turns out to be something of a corker, all the negative memories of That-1995-Movie and the (completely unsubstantiated) rumours of discontent between Pete Travis and the Dredd producers will be forgotten about, and Dredd will be both redeemed and accepted as a viable cinematic property
The quality of the film is largely irrelevant—it's the US box office that will be the most important thing, with the second most important thing being the overall box office. Judging by other relatively niche properties, it really needs to bring in at least 1.5x its budget (and preferably 2x) to have any realistic chance of a sequel. So for a Dredd II, I'm guessing we'd need a box take in the $70m–$90m range. The upper end of that is what Hellboy managed back in 2004, so it is achievable, assuming it's a film that is well and appropriately marketed. If we're extremely lucky, we'll see a take like District 9 ($210m!); if not, we'll see something like Serenity (matching its budget, and thereby making a loss at the cinema) or the depressingly dismal take of the wonderful Attack the Block (under $6m, taking about half its budget).

Sometimes sequels can also be green-lit off the back of massive clean-up in terms of downloads/rentals/shiny disc sales, but that didn't help, say, Serenity.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 27 January, 2012, 01:04:08 pm
I'd imagine there are other factors too - for instance I expect Guillermo Del Toro has a fair bit of clout in Hollywood, having a smash like Blade II under his belt probably helped persuade the studio to bankroll Hellboy II, despite the first one not really doing that well at the cinema.

I suspect that Dredd is likely to do better internationally than in the US (taking into account the takings of the 1995 movie and the general popularity/awareness of the character). I'm guessing that US box office won't be as critical as with most releases due to it not being a US production. I also think it's likely to fare better on home formats/VOD than it does at the cinema.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 27 January, 2012, 01:16:55 pm
Quite so, this isn't a US film, not US money.  So US ratings, while very important, aren't the only thing to watch.  If that was the case a heck of a lot of British, French, Bosnian (you get the idea) films wouldn't be made.

'International' box office figures are the key here, which as it is a UK film includes USA.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 January, 2012, 02:26:11 pm
or the depressingly dismal take of the wonderful Attack the Block (under $6m, taking about half its budget).


I think Attack the Block's parochial sensibilities didn't appeal to the Yanks -and distributor disinterest- despite it's Carpenteresque aspirations.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 January, 2012, 03:25:20 pm
I think Attack the Block's parochial sensibilities didn't appeal to the Yanks -and distributor disinterest- despite it's Carpenteresque aspirations.
The UK take was also disappointing. I don't think people gave the film a chance, and were terribly confused by its very much 'grey' thinking. People too often like to know who's good and who's bad.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 27 January, 2012, 03:38:17 pm
Yes...  a US remake would be a very different film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 27 January, 2012, 05:05:06 pm
Who knows, if it doesn't make a lot of money at the box office it may still get a sequel eventually. I find it weird that sequels always seem to be confirmed straight away now. What's wrong with a couple of years gap?

Alien was released in 1979 then Aliens wasn't released until 1986. I ain't saying Dredd will be a hit like alien was, but just using it as an example of length between sequels. Give it some time and see if enough people want a Dredd sequel and then even if the first one didn't make enough money, the sequel potentially could as there would now be a bigger awareness.

I just hope it's good.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 27 January, 2012, 05:09:36 pm

Yeah but problems with last 15 years, lots of original films was about to release, then before it does, sequels will be confirmed, but without SCRIPTS!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: A.Cow on 27 January, 2012, 05:35:58 pm
Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow. In other words the central characters of Justice League since Silver Age...  They outsell Marvel.

Those individual characters may have the top of the market ... but overall Marvel have whipped DC for the last 30 years.  That was the whole reason for the "New 52" re-launch.

What is most interesting is that DC felt they had to re-boot many of these "top" characters too.  Maybe they realised that their "top-ness" is now under threat.

These historical graphs tell a very clear story:

(http://www.comichron.com/vitalstatistics/graphs/AM1Units.jpg)

(http://enterthestory.com/images/sales.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 27 January, 2012, 06:03:39 pm
My worst fear is that Dredd will do OKish, and then we end up with one or two crappy, lazy, low-rent, straight to DVD sequels that involve few of the original cast and crew.

In that case I think I'd prefer no sequels at all.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 27 January, 2012, 07:42:05 pm
My worst fear is that Dredd will do OKish, and then we end up with one or two crappy, lazy, low-rent, straight to DVD sequels that involve few of the original cast and crew.

In that case I think I'd prefer no sequels at all.



(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/dr_cyclopz/defeat.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 January, 2012, 08:57:21 pm
My worst fear is that Dredd will do OKish, and then we end up with one or two crappy, lazy, low-rent, straight to DVD sequels that involve few of the original cast and crew.

In that case I think I'd prefer no sequels at all.


Wouldn't Rebellion -and maybe Wagner at least informally- have to agree to that? Not sure they wish to go down that path.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 27 January, 2012, 10:33:31 pm
It will kick f**k ass bitch!!!! BELIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 January, 2012, 10:47:21 pm
Can it not just be good?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 27 January, 2012, 11:05:42 pm
Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow. In other words the central characters of Justice League since Silver Age...  They outsell Marvel.

Those individual characters may have the top of the market ... but overall Marvel have whipped DC for the last 30 years.  That was the whole reason for the "New 52" re-launch.

What is most interesting is that DC felt they had to re-boot many of these "top" characters too.  Maybe they realised that their "top-ness" is now under threat.

These historical graphs tell a very clear story:

((images removed to not clog up the thread... - Bat King))

So?

I think my point was perfectly clear the idea that Judge Dredd is more well known in USA than Green Lantern was beyond laughable. Green Lantern outsells Marvel characters.

I wasn't giving a big up to DC or putting down Marvel...

'Nuff said', I don't think you win a 'no prize' for this.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: A.Cow on 28 January, 2012, 04:30:54 am
I think my point was perfectly clear the idea that Judge Dredd is more well known in USA than Green Lantern was beyond laughable. Green Lantern outsells Marvel characters.

I wasn't giving a big up to DC or putting down Marvel...

'Nuff said', I don't think you win a 'no prize' for this.

Apologies ... got totally the wrong angle on your point, which -- as you say -- is pretty clear on re-reading.

"I'll get m' coat..."  (Shuffles off in embarrassment)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 28 January, 2012, 05:26:16 am
My worst fear is that Dredd will do OKish, and then we end up with one or two crappy, lazy, low-rent, straight to DVD sequels that involve few of the original cast and crew.
In that case I think I'd prefer no sequels at all.
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/dr_cyclopz/defeat.jpg)

I second that motion your honour, we'll have none of that negativity on this site (unless your name is Scott Nestle, in which case, BUGGER OFF SCOTT!), Dredd is going to be awesome, I predict right here (and y'all can hold me to it) that it will do Watchmen numbers in worldwide box-office takings - around the $180m (give or take a few million either way) mark - and we more-likely-than-not will see a sequel around 2015... and I stand by every word (which I'll probably end up regretting, but my faith in DNA Films is absolute and steadfast)!!!

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 28 January, 2012, 09:31:00 am
Agreed....I'm more optimistic than I was at first and am even starting to prefer the uniform redesign.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 28 January, 2012, 12:02:44 pm

Just watch The Chronicles of Riddick at Sky Movies at moment, (Love that film!)
Karl Urban is good in it :-)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 28 January, 2012, 12:44:50 pm
True dat!! He'll be a top Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 28 January, 2012, 03:24:00 pm
I think my point was perfectly clear the idea that Judge Dredd is more well known in USA than Green Lantern was beyond laughable. Green Lantern outsells Marvel characters.

I wasn't giving a big up to DC or putting down Marvel...

'Nuff said', I don't think you win a 'no prize' for this.

Apologies ... got totally the wrong angle on your point, which -- as you say -- is pretty clear on re-reading.

"I'll get m' coat..."  (Shuffles off in embarrassment)

Was I a bit blunt?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 31 January, 2012, 01:16:03 pm
<a href="http://www.movieinsider.com/photos/37358/"><img src="http://e.movie.as/p/600/37358.jpg" alt="Dredd photo" style="border:0" /></a>

There's a lot of Judges in this Movie or the two lead characters sweated so much they had to change Helmets [oh er missus] regularly.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 31 January, 2012, 01:20:49 pm
(http://e.movie.as/p/600/37358.jpg)

There's a lot of Judges in this Movie or the two lead characters sweated so much they had to change Helmets [oh er missus] regularly.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 31 January, 2012, 01:30:06 pm
Cool! :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 31 January, 2012, 03:54:16 pm
New Dredd pic in this months Total Film.....
 Looks great but I wish they would pic a new angle to take the photo from.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=53783
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 31 January, 2012, 03:59:06 pm
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/33503/DREDD%202012_Karl%20Urban.jpg (http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/33503/DREDD%202012_Karl%20Urban.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 31 January, 2012, 04:04:03 pm
Is that actually a new shot? Seems identical to one of the Empire ones.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 31 January, 2012, 04:08:01 pm
(http://i53.tinypic.com/k159pk.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 31 January, 2012, 04:08:17 pm
It's been out before and here they both are  :o

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/UrbanDredd.jpg)(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/JudgeJuryExecutioner.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 31 January, 2012, 04:10:37 pm
Ah, spot colour - the true sign of amateur photoshoppery.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 31 January, 2012, 04:34:21 pm
With only 7 months to go till D-day . . .The Dredd movie promo' machine rolls on!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 31 January, 2012, 04:40:26 pm
With only 7 months to go till D-day . . .The Dredd movie promo' machine rolls on!
It's all getting a bit frantic for sure.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: nicklambo on 31 January, 2012, 07:19:09 pm
The helmet only makes sense to me to be that size with the respirator dropping down....( pointed this out on the day the first pic came out but think it might be worth repeating..!) :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 31 January, 2012, 07:26:55 pm
That looks like Judge Dredd alright. Disagree with the essential reading for Dredd I can just about make out there. I'd would have said "The Day the Law Died." Which would be a good sequel, probably 3rd in the series of Dredd films after he's character has emerged on the big screen a bit more. Getting ahead of myself here, but I reckon it'l be a great film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 31 January, 2012, 08:27:06 pm
I'm hoping it is good enough for both sequels & other 2000AD movies.

Rogue Trooper would be a great movie, Flesh has legs.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Jared Katooie on 31 January, 2012, 08:30:01 pm
Urban could live in that helmet.

And raise a family there.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 31 January, 2012, 11:53:27 pm
Urban could live in that helmet.

And raise a family there.


At least he's keeping the Drokking thing on!

Isn't that enough?  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 February, 2012, 01:06:58 am
Why are there still complaints about the size of the helmet? It's a motorcycle helmet, it needs to be big.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 01 February, 2012, 01:46:40 am
Why are there still complaints about the size of the helmet? It's a motorcycle helmet, it needs to be big.

Helmet envy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 01 February, 2012, 02:09:08 am
After the stink i raised on the political thread, I was going to keep my head down for a while, but imagine my excitement when I logged on to see a potential new Dredd photo... imagine my disappointment when it turned out to be THE SAME DARN PHOTO SEEN IN 'EMPIRE' LAST JULY!!!  I'm not criticising DNA Films or IM Global or Lionsgate, how could I, they're putting up 45 million big 'uns to actually make a new JD movie - and after the last one, that deserves a serious round of applause - and they know what they're doing in relation to the whole publicity side of things, so you'll excuse me if say;

NO MORE PHOTOS... TRAILER, NOW!!!

That's it, I'm done now...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 01 February, 2012, 07:03:06 am
Sorry to disappoint you Beaky you political thread stinker. Here's that same darned photo again!

(http://i53.tinypic.com/k159pk.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 01 February, 2012, 08:31:59 am
I honestly don't understand why people keep saying the helmet's too big. It looks absolutely fine to me. On the first photo we saw, yes, it looked weirdly bulky but that was revealed to be an unfortunate accident with part of the backround. Every shot since has looked like pure Dredd to me.

Dredd isn't a super-hero and he doesn't wear a 'costume'. This is a uniform and needs to be practical. I like the film uniform more than the comic one these days.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: W. R. Logan on 01 February, 2012, 08:54:09 am
I have no probs with the uniform, the only thing that annoys the fanboy in me is that he's not shaved 8-?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 01 February, 2012, 08:59:26 am
He's been in action Logan. Judges only get 10 minutes in the sleep machine. Dredd looked pretty scruffy in the last few episodes of the cursed earth, and compared to his appearance at the end of of the Sov. Atomic War he looks quite fresh. :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 01 February, 2012, 09:13:26 am
It's not just one or two of us on this forum who have pointed out that the helmet looks a bit big - I've seen many blog posts and online commenters openly laughing at it:

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/07/judge-dredd-visibly-upset-store-had-only.php (http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/07/judge-dredd-visibly-upset-store-had-only.php)

You can use the 'it's a bike helmet/it's a practical uniform' justification til you're blue in the face, but if even just a small percentage of people make the same observation, then there is a problem. If people's first reaction to your hardnut antihero is derisive laughter, something is wrong. At the end of the day, it's a movie - first and foremost it should look cool.

For now, I'm a bit concerned about it - imo it looks fine in the Total Film picture posted above - and will reserve judgement until I see it in the proper context. I'm crossing my fingers pretty hard.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 February, 2012, 09:37:42 am
Once he fires that Lawgiver/bike cannon it won't matter. It looks a lot less ridiculous than this and no one complained:

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp277/raultumba/Magneto/magnetomarvelperu033.jpg)



I think it's mostly people who are not particularly familiar with Dredd, or care, are nitpicking/trolling about the helmet.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 01 February, 2012, 09:47:30 am
Well, im familiar with the character, and im not trolling, and i think in that teaser poster (the 'judge, jury, executioner' one) it looks comedically massive., and just swamps him. Especially with the mini pads. We'll see how it all turns out, i guess.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 01 February, 2012, 09:47:46 am
At least this 2012 Helmet looks much better, than this shite;

(http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sylvester-stallone-as-judge-dredd.jpg?w=600&h=337)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 01 February, 2012, 10:15:15 am
Well, im familiar with the character, and im not trolling, and i think in that teaser poster (the 'judge, jury, executioner' one) it looks comedically massive., and just swamps him. Especially with the mini pads. We'll see how it all turns out, i guess.

SBT

Yeah, I'll admit that it doesn't look too great in that particular shot but I think that's mainly due to it being in heavy shadow. You can't even tell where his face ends and the helmet begins.

It doesn't look too big in all the Empire photos, especially the full body shots of him kicking the door in and running down the corridor.

And Goaty, NOOOOOO! The 95 helmet was and is bloody awful. The new one is much better.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 01 February, 2012, 11:10:38 am
I don't have a problem with the 95 style visor - it's a bit too overtly 'comic book' and plasticy, but that suits the tone they were going for. It's still recognisably Dredd, though the utilitarian, 'lived-in' look of the 2012 gear is infinitely better.

I think part of the problem in the new one is the padding either side of the wearer's face - it makes their head look smaller than it is - especially in pictures that are heavily in shadow. Hopefully when we see it in properly lit footage it will all click and make sense. I also think increasing the size of the shoulder pads
 would help things proportionally - or it might have just made Urban look even more swamped, who knows?

Though I have my concerns, there's some serious talent behind the scenes of this film, and I can't bring myself to believe that if it really did look silly, then no one would have stepped in and done something about it. We'll see. I'll say again that everything I've seen/heard about the art direction and cinematography leads me to believe that this will be a cracking looking film, and overall I think the new uniform rocks - it's actually far closer to the comic version than would appear on first glance. Pretty much all the elements are present and correct - even down to the (muted) green gloves and boots, lawgiver, the belt buckle, utility belt, even the little rounded bits on the knuckles.

Re: Magneto - I actually really liked that - they just went all out, and I'm hoping the sequel to First Class will go even further down that road into full-on Silver Age psychedelic gaudiness and colour. I love grim and gritty as much as the next guy, but surely it's time for a reaction against that? Sebastian Shaw's proto-Magneto helmet in FC looked kind of goofy at first - mostly in the pre-release stills, but I don't even notice it when I watch the film now - I enjoy the film so much that I just accept it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 February, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
I think John Wagner mentioned he 'd seen part of the DR3DD Film with post production effects completed so that has to be good news.

Re shoots and post production problems aside I assume their about a third of the way through putting it all together. Perhaps after this months celebrations of 35 years of 2000AD we might get a few pointers to when the first Trailer/Poster might be appearing.

Or when it's going straight to DVD of course! ::)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 01 February, 2012, 01:46:25 pm
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Re shoots and post production problems aside I assume their about a third of the way through putting it all together.

According to Wagner it's pretty much done - or will be by the end of the month. Edit is complete, they're currently doing the audio. Probably a bit of tweaking to do after that, but other than that it's pretty much done as far as I know.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 01 February, 2012, 03:18:50 pm
As mentioned above, the real issue of concern here is that damn beard!

That ain't Joe. No sir.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 01 February, 2012, 04:34:30 pm
As mentioned above, the real issue of concern here is that damn beard!

That ain't Joe. No sir.

Yeah, there is a find line between a bit of stubble to look meaner and too much, and those total films pics it looked too much. But the empire subscriber cover was about right.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 01 February, 2012, 05:14:31 pm
Unshaved looks is very popular!  :lol:

As with new photo of James Bond out today...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/01/article-2094808-118C0CA5000005DC-55_634x498.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 01 February, 2012, 05:18:37 pm
At least this 2012 Helmet looks much better, than this shite;

(http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sylvester-stallone-as-judge-dredd.jpg?w=600&h=337)

And Goaty, NOOOOOO! The 95 helmet was and is bloody awful. The new one is much better.


It was pretty bad for a Dredd helmet. It was more in the style of early Ian Gibson depictions, if any. Certainly the whole film was evocative of early Dredd episodes  : the gunfight at the beginning reminded me of the "Judge Whitey" episode, there is that bit from the "Muggers Moon" story where he shoots and blows up the yuppie's car. Than there is the "Crime and Punishment" episode part of the film when Dredd is falsely accussed of gunning down innocent people, then you get the Angel Gang, Rico and anything else you care to notice. On the whole the film is a pastiche.

This is I think why the decision to remove the helmet came about ,(apart from Sly's ego). Was because during the '90's pastiche films were fashionable - David Lynch being one example. Dredd gets to take his helmet off because it reveals the way in which the story is constructed. Along with all the Dredd stories mentioned above, the taking off of the helmet focuses the film attention more on how a story/film is told, rather than the actual telling of the story. It shows how narratives are produced, rather than presenting a narrative as one that is told and complete in itself. As I said, this technique was popular in the '90's with a lot of film makers. To Dredd fans like ourselves, Dredd without his helmet on his head is a bit like Jimi Hendrix without the guitar.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: A.Cow on 01 February, 2012, 05:53:54 pm
I'm still staggered how many nutters on film news talkbacks are complaining about the nose cross-piece.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 01 February, 2012, 09:25:58 pm
Good point! It's only a minor detail. :lol:

Getting back to the 1995 Dredd, the helmet was important because the removal of it subverted the character of Dredd. It changed the parameters of the film. Instead of the celebration of the 2000ad Judge Dredd character through the medium of film; we ended up with a celebration of film through the medium of the 2000ad Judge Dredd character.

That's why details like the helmet are important; change that too radically and you're not just questioning Dredd but the whole gamut of fiction and storytelling. Film remains a powerful medium.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 01 February, 2012, 09:32:39 pm
That's why details like the helmet are important; change that too radically and you're not just questioning Dredd but the whole gamut of fiction and storytelling. Film remains a powerful medium.

I think quality of script/story are far more important than Dredd's helmet. If the film is quality, I mean really quality...is something as superficial as the nose cross-piece going to ruin "the whole gamut of fiction and storytelling"? If so, don't waste your time or money.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 01 February, 2012, 10:04:06 pm
IIRC, The decision to remove the helmet was due to casting Stallone as Judge Dreddish, to paraphrase Danny Cannon (from memory) - "you don't spend $15,000,000 on a star like Stallone and not show his face".
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 01 February, 2012, 10:13:56 pm
IIRC, The decision to remove the helmet was due to casting Stallone as Judge Dreddish, to paraphrase Danny Cannon (from memory) - "you don't spend $15,000,000 on a star like Stallone and not show his face".

I always felt Stallone could have played Rico AND Dredd - keeping his helmet on as Dredd and mugging for the camera as Rico. To be completely honest, Stallone certainly has the chin for Dredd...if nothing else.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 01 February, 2012, 11:04:13 pm
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To be completely honest, Stallone certainly has the chin for Dredd...if nothing else.

Sadly, his mouth is above it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 01 February, 2012, 11:24:39 pm
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To be completely honest, Stallone certainly has the chin for Dredd...if nothing else.

Sadly, his mouth is above it.

Excellent!

I'm not sure about the size of the helmet.  Need to see them moving around and more Judges to be certain.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 12:00:00 am
IIRC, The decision to remove the helmet was due to casting Stallone as Judge Dreddish, to paraphrase Danny Cannon (from memory) - "you don't spend $15,000,000 on a star like Stallone and not show his face".



Casting Stallone was the reason it got made.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: I, Cosh on 02 February, 2012, 12:31:32 am
With only 7 months to go till D-day . . .The Dredd movie promo' machine rolls on!
Hmm. I bet there will be absolutely no other films released in the second half of the year which I've not heard of yet.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 02 February, 2012, 04:28:32 am
I always felt Stallone could have played Rico AND Dredd - keeping his helmet on as Dredd and mugging for the camera as Rico. To be completely honest, Stallone certainly has the chin for Dredd...if nothing else.

Now THERE'S an idea that could've solved the problem(s) of Dredd not removing his helmet, the fact he and Rico are supposed to be clones of each other, not to mention having ol' Sly's obscene $15m salary justified by showing his mug throughout the film's duration... where were you in 1994, Locusts dude, when we needed you!?  You could've even had Rico's face scarred like in the source comic-book story, The Return of Rico , and that way you could've ha-... alright, that's it, I can't talk about this film anymore, how in heaven's name can such a hamfistedly and cackhandedly executed film generate such debate 17 years after it flopped and is universally derided by one and all, I really need to get a life (quiet in the back there!) about THAT BLOODY FILM, I'm off for a nice lie down now, I feel a little faint :crazy:...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 02 February, 2012, 07:19:06 am
With only 7 months to go till D-day . . .The Dredd movie promo' machine rolls on!
Hmm. I bet there will be absolutely no other films released in the second half of the year which I've not heard of yet.

The worry that i have about the promotion of the film is that the companies involved already have an infrastructure in place to market it. but still nothing substantial on the promotional front

They have a website, a dedicate magazine, a publishing arm, a games company,  they really should be utilizing them better
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 02 February, 2012, 07:48:54 am
The worry that i have about the promotion of the film is that the companies involved already have an infrastructure in place to market it. but still nothing substantial on the promotional front
They have a website, a dedicate magazine, a publishing arm, a games company,  they really should be utilizing them better

I understand your concern (and possible frustration) at the lack of promotion thus far on Dredd, but you have to give IM Global and Lionsgate some room on this, it's in their own financial interests to promote the film properly, and I am certain they have a game-plan for it, be patient, just a little while longer, it's still a whole seven-and-a-half months until Dredd's release, plenty of time left to create maximum awareness and interest in the movie, I guarantee the teaser trailer will be released before March is out, have faith brother...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 02 February, 2012, 07:52:12 am
... well, just under eight months until release, to be more accurate, but you get my drift...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 02 February, 2012, 08:15:13 am
They have a website, a dedicate magazine, a publishing arm, a games company,  they really should be utilizing them better

Thing is, with the Stallone Dredd we were bombarded with ghastly photo-covers and breathless features shoving that golden codpiece down our throats for what seemed like years in advance, and I hated it even before I saw the bloody thing.  Ditto the Dredd vs Death promotion, with its ugly sprite or model or whatever it is they call those things these days (although I subsequently enjoyed the game a lot).  TBH, I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't yet been beaten into apathy by cross-media advertising on this one.       

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 02 February, 2012, 08:15:44 am
They have a website, a dedicate magazine, a publishing arm, a games company,  they really should be utilizing them better

Thing is, with the Stallone Dredd we were bombarded with ghastly photo-covers and breathless features shoving that golden codpiece down our throats for what seemed like years in advance, and I hated it even before I saw the bloody thing.  Ditto the Dredd vs Death promotion, with its ugly sprite or model or whatever it is they call those things these days cacking up the cover (although I subsequently enjoyed the game a lot).  TBH, I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't yet been beaten into apathy by cross-media advertising on this one.       
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 02 February, 2012, 08:16:52 am
Ah Jeebus wept, an edit function'd be nice.  Passing mod delete double, pretty please?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 02 February, 2012, 08:48:40 am
Also, if Dredd had kept his helmet on he'd of looked bloody daft sat in the prison Shuttle.

I 'spose they could have done a nice 'block his face with bits of the scenery' parody.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 February, 2012, 09:01:45 am
Also, it isn't Rebellion's job to promote the movie. (Purely conjecture on my part) it appears that no one is allowed to do or say much to do with the film without the say so of the higher ups - Lionsgate in particular are infamously  hawk-like and litigious in regards to the promotion and rights of their properties.

They are obviously going for a concentrated marketing blitz closer to release - and they probably don't have the budget for a sustained, 18 month campaign in any case.

Again going back to District 9 - a film with similar budget and ambition as Dredd - I consider myself pretty on the ball when it comes to films, but D9 wasn't even on my radar until I started picking up on the good early reviews it was getting just before it came out.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 02 February, 2012, 10:21:35 am
I remember seeing a teaser for District 9 quite some time before it came out. They were getting word on the film out to  the public in a small way at least for a few months with viral marketing.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 02 February, 2012, 11:21:05 am
I think quality of script/story are far more important than Dredd's helmet. If the film is quality, I mean really quality...is something as superficial as the nose cross-piece going to ruin "the whole gamut of fiction and storytelling"? If so, don't waste your time or money.


Not quite. Dredd without helmet is not Dredd. When Sylvester removed Dredd's helmet we were no longer watching Dredd but also Rambo, Rocky, Demolition Man and a lot of other action movies. The film was made into a pastiche of action movies. Sly used Dredd to sell his merchandise not the other way around.

The same thing is happening with Sherlock Holmes. The audience can just about cope with it being set in the 21st century rather than the late 19th, but remove elements from the story such as Dr Watson and the audience starts questioning the storytelling.

Sherlock could probably survive as a narrative without the Dr Watson character better than the Dredd narrative could survive without the famous helmet.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 02 February, 2012, 12:00:16 pm
Going by this Dredd's uniform should look good.

(http://i.imgur.com/dNTRJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 February, 2012, 12:12:07 pm
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Dredd without helmet is not Dredd.

I've never bought this argument. A good Dredd film is not 100% dependent on him not showing his face. I'm pleased as a fan that the makers of Dredd 2012 have decided to keep the helmet on for the duration, but I'm also questioning whether this was a good idea cinematically, as the nearest examples I can think of - V in the godawful V for Vendetta adaptaion, and a few scenes in the first Spider-man movie where a masked Spidey is talking to a masked Green Goblin - were, imo, quite strange and unnatural to watch.

Having a hugely famous movie star in the role and having him show his face for much of the duration - as was the case with the 1995 movie - is a different matter entirely, and yes, that harmed the film as a Dredd adaptation beyond repair, but I am not 100% against a movie Dredd showing his face - there are more important things than this - to me it's just a detail. It's far more important that they get the character and tone right.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 02 February, 2012, 03:35:43 pm
Yes radiator, the medium of film is completely different to the comic.  A huge star like Urban is going to raise Dredd's profile and if this means deviating from the comic version Dredd in order to reach a wider audience, it's all for the good and I'm willing to swallow it. It's just that Stallone's Dredd tried this and went too far.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 02 February, 2012, 03:44:01 pm
Yes radiator, the medium of film is completely different to the comic.  A huge star like Urban is going to raise Dredd's profile and if this means deviating from the comic version Dredd in order to reach a wider audience, it's all for the good and I'm willing to swallow it. It's just that Stallone's Dredd tried this and went too far.

Karl Urban isn't a 'huge star'. I don't think I've ever met anyone who knows who he is by name. Even prompting people with "You know, he was McCoy in the new Star Trek film..." is met with blank stares.

If he took his helmet off momentarily and it wasn't a big deal and he kept it on for most of the film, I'd be happy. The fact that he won't be taking it off is brilliant.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 04:06:08 pm
Found this bit of hearsay on the Dredd IMDB forum:


The following is from a conversation i have been having with a colleague over at Bluray.com regarding the new Dredd film. Mr Walker knows one of the top bods at DNA and was informing me of the film's developement:

"I don't know if I posted this already but I talked to someone last year who'd seen a rough cut and they said DREDD was "extremely violent" and looked fairly concerned. Next thing I heard was that Travis was off the picture."

I suggested that DNA had been watching the rushes since Day One and that the film would keep it's hardcore level of violence, the actual 'level' spoken of by Mike Van Kesteren, who worked on the film. His response:

"My concern - and this is simply going from the worried expression of this person, who works at a high level for the production company - is that they've pulled back majorly on the violence, and that this might be why Travis was locked out. They're looking at an expensive product and I'd be surprised if they'll settle for more than a 15 here in the UK. £30 million is a huge budget for a British film. And you can believe me or not but this was one of the main bods at DNA and I'm telling you: they were worried!

People on this forum (Bluray.com) tend to forget: these films can't make a profit on the geek crowd alone. They need to break out to the wider public. I'm afraid when it comes to comic-book movies that means kid-friendly."

So have DNA 'overcooked it' and had to go back and do reshoots to tone down the violence? a '15' rated film in the UK is preferable to an 18. I mean, i really don't think we are going to see a PG13 Dredd film, seriously, but pulling it back to a 15 may be thier aim.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/flat/194349075?p=1
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 04:10:21 pm
Also, it isn't Rebellion's job to promote the movie.


No, IM GLOBAL are but I feel they're waiting for all the heavy Summer promotion to die down before they reall give Dredd the push.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 02 February, 2012, 04:21:12 pm
Yes radiator, the medium of film is completely different to the comic.  A huge star like Urban is going to raise Dredd's profile and if this means deviating from the comic version Dredd in order to reach a wider audience, it's all for the good and I'm willing to swallow it. It's just that Stallone's Dredd tried this and went too far.

So in the span of two posts you went from vehemently opposing my view to accepting it after Radiator agrees?  ::)

I'm happy Dredd is keeping the helmet on. But if it were a brilliant film from top to bottom, well-written and well-acted...but Dredd takes his helmet off, I can ignore that and I'm happy. Seems you're on that wagon, too, now that someone else is on board.  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 02 February, 2012, 04:23:25 pm
What rating was District 9? . . .  my brain cells are on the wain since I hit my forties.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 02 February, 2012, 04:33:31 pm
I am still of the opinion that if Dredd takes his helmet off, it is no longer Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 02 February, 2012, 04:52:45 pm
Found this bit of hearsay on the Dredd IMDB forum:



So have DNA 'overcooked it' and had to go back and do reshoots to tone down the violence? a '15' rated film in the UK is preferable to an 18. . [/i]


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/flat/194349075?p=1



I can't believe you guys are still talking about the helmet . This is to me huge news!
Having read and loved the tone of the Peach Trees script I would have loved to see an uncut version in the cinema, looks like I may have to wait for the DVD.

I hope its not toned down too much, but I have to accept that they cant take too many chances if they really want a successful franchise.

Sheesh 'Hollywood' Today. I'm sure we didn't used to get this cop out talk back in the days of Total Recall and Robocop. This diet of Avatar Harry Potter and Twilight has skewed things TOO far in the wrong direction in my opinion, the lame direction.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 02 February, 2012, 04:58:31 pm
"So have DNA 'overcooked it' and had to go back and do reshoots to tone down the violence? a '15' rated film in the UK is preferable to an 18. I mean, i really don't think we are going to see a PG13 Dredd film, seriously, but pulling it back to a 15 may be thier aim."

Id rather hear they went for shooting in rain macs to catch the blood spatter than see everyone survives a shoot out in some silly 80's 'A-Team' show.

Its quite common for the gore to be trimmed down for the censors.


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 02 February, 2012, 05:00:05 pm
"So have DNA 'overcooked it' and had to go back and do reshoots to tone down the violence? a '15' rated film in the UK is preferable to an 18. I mean, i really don't think we are going to see a PG13 Dredd film, seriously, but pulling it back to a 15 may be thier aim."

Id rather hear they went for shooting in rain macs to catch the blood spatter than see everyone survives a shoot out in some silly 80's 'A-Team' show.

Its quite common for the gore to be trimmed down for the censors.

'LIKE IN' some silly 80's A-Team Show. Curse the lack of edit button.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 02 February, 2012, 05:03:47 pm
By the way having never seen the film and even at this early stage I think a big enough noise should be made about this to show there is a demand so we do eventually get to see an unrated version.

I like a well told story as much as the next man and Dredd is Not all about violence,  I think Dod Mantle did mention that the violence was almost a parody on violent films, but  obviously somebody upstairs thinks that the audience is too dumb to get this.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 05:06:31 pm
I don't think parody may be the right word. Heightened might be better to make a point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 February, 2012, 05:12:08 pm
Hmm, I'll take that rumour with a huge dose of salt.

Since day one DNA have been very frank that they were making a dark, violent film. For them to do a U Turn so late in the day - even to lock out the director solely for this reason - seems extremely unlikely to me.

Doubt very much that this - if true - would necessitate reshoots - surely they could have just cut/edited the offending material? And exactly how far do you have to go these days to get an 18? My understanding was that only in severe cases - aggressive sexual violence say - would you get a guaranteed 18/NC-17 certificate. I was expecting something on the level of District 9 or Kick-Ass (both a 15 rating in the UK) - they're pretty full-on - people exploding and on fire, limbs chopped off etc etc.

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Id rather hear they went for shooting in rain macs to catch the blood spatter than see everyone survives a shoot out in some silly 80's 'A-Team' show.

I agree - I feel a little uncomfortable with bloodless film violence (like the sort we got in Inception and The Dark Knight) - it's a little irresponsible on the filmmakers part to revel in violence and not portray the true consequences - it smacks a little of having their cake and eating it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 05:35:37 pm
Doubt very much that this - if true - would necessitate reshoots - surely they could have just cut/edited the offending material?



Not necessarily, depends on how the scenes were directed, the violence may have been hard to cut around. With 3D there's generally less cuts in scenes. Cutting scenes, dimisihing them may have made them unusable or left gaps in pacing depending on their nature. We can never know.

Things can change when seen iin the cold light of day.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 02 February, 2012, 05:45:58 pm
Yeah, you would have to go some... Shaun of the Dead has a character being torn apart and that still only got a 15.

I'm guessing they're dealing with something along the lines of the last Rambo in the level of violence, and I did wonder why they'd gone that far with the violence when it wasn't strictly necessary for a Dredd story.

I wonder if it's coming from IMGlobal and DNA are getting cold feet over the direction they were taking...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 February, 2012, 06:01:18 pm
It could be that the producers/financiers got spooked when Watchmen and Kick-Ass - perhaps the two highest-profile overtly violent comic book adaptations - didn't do too well at the box office.

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I'm guessing they're dealing with something along the lines of the last Rambo in the level of violence, and I did wonder why they'd gone that far with the violence when it wasn't strictly necessary for a Dredd story.

Yeah - they may have been scuppered by their efforts to distance themselves form the Stallone Dredd movie by going too far in the other direction.

I don't really think of Dredd as an especially violent comic myself, but perhaps I've just been reading it so long that I've become desensitised to the base level violence and carefree attitude to bodycounts that's always been a constant pretty much since it began.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 February, 2012, 06:03:35 pm
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I wonder if it's coming from IMGlobal and DNA are getting cold feet over the direction they were taking...

Dig at Pete Travis?  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 02 February, 2012, 06:22:23 pm
Slip of the tongue...

I don't really think of Dredd being gratuitously violent as a default, just seems to depend more on the artist - I wonder if more of the satire of the strip might have helped with a rating because of violence...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 02 February, 2012, 07:14:23 pm
 If this rumour turns out to be true won't it affect the release date of the Film? They've scheduled it for Autumn but frankly I'm thinking early next year now :(.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 February, 2012, 07:41:02 pm
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If this rumour turns out to be true won't it affect the release date of the Film?

No - it's already edited and almost complete. It may, however, explain the initial delay - by the time Dredd comes out it will have been nearly four years since the original announcement and commencement of preproduction.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 08:40:15 pm
If this rumour turns out to be true won't it affect the release date of the Film? They've scheduled it for Autumn but frankly I'm thinking early next year now :(.


Why? These concerns seem to be old ones.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 02 February, 2012, 08:43:01 pm
Yes radiator, the medium of film is completely different to the comic.  A huge star like Urban is going to raise Dredd's profile and if this means deviating from the comic version Dredd in order to reach a wider audience, it's all for the good and I'm willing to swallow it. It's just that Stallone's Dredd tried this and went too far.

Karl Urban isn't a 'huge star'. I don't think I've ever met anyone who knows who he is by name. Even prompting people with "You know, he was McCoy in the new Star Trek film..." is met with blank stares.

If he took his helmet off momentarily and it wasn't a big deal and he kept it on for most of the film, I'd be happy. The fact that he won't be taking it off is brilliant.


It depends on your criteria for judging I suppose, this is a Hollywood film we're talking about with millions to spend on promotion, and not some unknown film company with jack shit to promote their film.  One thing is for sure, it won't be anything like the last, so that is a reason for us to be cheerful.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 02 February, 2012, 08:47:56 pm
Crickey.  Forum seems to be going into overdrive with panic and counter panic... (OK I'm exagerating some of you are not panicking so much)

I'm quite glad we haven't been flooded in hype like we were with the Stallone debacle.

That said, I'd like a few more teasers, but no spoilers.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 February, 2012, 08:51:52 pm


CHILL OUT everyone, I am for one, that would really looking forward to this release of new Dredd, I like everything about that! Like that Judge uniforms, helmet, Karl Urban, looks of the film, with its photos.

Just simple ignore those rumours, and counts the days/weeks/months till the film came out!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 02 February, 2012, 08:55:09 pm
Yes radiator, the medium of film is completely different to the comic.  A huge star like Urban is going to raise Dredd's profile and if this means deviating from the comic version Dredd in order to reach a wider audience, it's all for the good and I'm willing to swallow it. It's just that Stallone's Dredd tried this and went too far.

So in the span of two posts you went from vehemently opposing my view to accepting it after Radiator agrees?  ::)

I'm happy Dredd is keeping the helmet on. But if it were a brilliant film from top to bottom, well-written and well-acted...but Dredd takes his helmet off, I can ignore that and I'm happy. Seems you're on that wagon, too, now that someone else is on board.  :D


I'm not vehemently opposed to anyone's views, that's why I can see both sides of the argument. In translating a comic strip to film there are bound to be changes from the original story. The comic is aimed at a very specific group, the film a much, much, wider audience. Not everyone "gets" the thing about Dredd's helmet. It's inevitable that a director or actor isn't going to be too happy with the lead role having his face obscured throughout the film. For the sake of cinema I'm prepared to swallow some alterations to the Dredd theme, like any rational adult would. My point is if this goes too far as in the last Dredd film, then what is left is a pastiche superhero film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2012, 09:26:17 pm
It depends on your criteria for judging I suppose, this is a Hollywood film we're talking about with millions to spend on promotion, and not some unknown film company with jack shit to promote their film.  One thing is for sure, it won't be anything like the last, so that is a reason for us to be cheerful.


It's not a Hollywood film, it's an indie with an average budget.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 02 February, 2012, 09:28:57 pm
Crickey.  Forum seems to be going into overdrive with panic and counter panic... (OK I'm exagerating some of you are not panicking so much)

I'm quite glad we haven't been flooded in hype like we were with the Stallone debacle.

That said, I'd like a few more teasers, but no spoilers.
Im not panicking so much with John Wagner giving a thumbs up and Carlos Ezquerra being involved Im confodent its going to be a decent film.
Too much over analysing methinks.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 02 February, 2012, 11:28:26 pm
Well it must be true.. someone on a forum on some site knows someone who talked to someone on another site about a.rumour that something may have been Changed.

Another reason why the lack of news about the film is dangerous..people fill the silence with half truths, rumour and speculation.  and before you know it what was rumour becomes the perceived truth
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 02 February, 2012, 11:29:54 pm
Well it must be true.. someone on a forum on some site knows someone who talked to someone on another site about a.rumour that something may have been Changed.

Another reason why the lack of news about the film is dangerous..people fill the silence with half truths, rumour and speculation.  and before you know it what was rumour becomes the perceived truth
j

Sorry came across all yoda towards the end
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 February, 2012, 05:05:13 am
Ever'yone needs to cool it a little with this so-called 'revelation' about Dredd's alleged behind-the-scenes shenanigans - alleged being the operative word here - I agree with NSTFM, that whole "I know something because someone who knows someone who..." is par the course on the interweb, and I would take it not so much with a pinch of salt, but a veritable pillar of salt... nothing's proven until it's proven, period!

If, however, it turns out to be canon, then it is what it is, and nothing we can do about it, let's just hope we get an unrated 'director's cut' version on the home release... hold on a minute- behind the scenes disagreements, reshoots of footage, mandated cuts to tone down excessive violence, hopes of a 'director's cut' home release, haven't we been here before, it all sounds awfully familiar :-X...?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 February, 2012, 06:07:58 am
Upon further consideration on this subject, this might be (if true, that is) about the U.S. rating for Dredd rather than general concern over the ultra-violence in the actual film, the same thing happened with RoboCop in 1987, when the MPAA threatened that film with the dreaded NC-17 rating (putting it on a par with hardcore porn, and meaning they couldn't advertise) unless Paul Verhoeven cut the extreme violence back, he cut a few shots and got the R-rating they wanted, the same thing may apply to Dredd, with the DNA Films upper echelons' worried about the MPAA and how they would rate the movie, possibly leading them to re-shoot individual shots to just trim down the extreme violence a tad, the film won't be any less, just a few frames less gorier than originally shot, of course, I may be wrong about all this, but it was just an afterthought after I posted the above...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 03 February, 2012, 07:44:59 am
Well it must be true.. someone on a forum on some site knows someone who talked to someone on another site about a.rumour that something may have been Changed.

Another reason why the lack of news about the film is dangerous..people fill the silence with half truths, rumour and speculation.  and before you know it what was rumour becomes the perceived truth
j

Sorry came across all yoda towards the end

What? You went over my helmet.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZMLPD.jpg)


...start worrying, this guy's been seen wandering around on set of the new Dredd flick.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 February, 2012, 10:56:34 am
One thing that's probably worth noting if this rumour of a rumour has any hint of truth at its foundation: cuts don't mean entire scenes; often, violent movies can appease ratings bodies by cutting seconds or even fractions of seconds from certain shots.

As for a lack of news, I'll be worried if the situation's the same in, say, August (it won't be), but for the level of film Dredd is, the amount of stuff we've seen to date seems about right. This is, in the scheme of modern films, a low-budget effort. It's not Spider-Man and it's not Iron Man. Dredd won't have the marketing budget for a huge and extended campaign, and so I suspect we'll see a few more dribs and drabs before things ramp up in the few months before the release date.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 03 February, 2012, 11:04:19 am
In a way, there's something a little reassuring about the rumours, as they seem to suggest the reason for the behind the scenes troubles and reshoots were down to studio pressure regarding the violence/tone in the film, rather than concerns about overall quality or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 03 February, 2012, 11:25:10 am
If this is the case, I think it's more like the Robocop situation where the only 2 scenes which really got cut back were Murphy's death, which was pretty sustained in the unrated one - and Kinney's death by ED-209, which became almost comical in the extended cut.

Compare that to Eraser which got very heavily edited, almost to the level of an airline version.

If it's the former, I don't think it will hurt the film that much...

A lot of 'ifs' though
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 03 February, 2012, 11:39:56 am
Everything I've heard about the film so far is that it's extremely intense and high octane from the word go.

If that's the case, and the problem is with the overall intensity, then yeah, there might be a problem.

If it were just the one or two problematic scenes, I doubt that would be a problem at all.

Didn't MichaelVK say something about DREDD having some firsts in terms of movie gore? Sounds like it could be quite spectacular - really, really hoping we get a directors cut Blu Ray if this all palaver turns out to have some basis in truth.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Teivion on 03 February, 2012, 02:04:51 pm
With regards to ratings, advertising budgets etc etc, you can have a look at lots of stats etc here:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/filmtvinfo/stats/BFI-Statistical-Yearbook-2011.pdf

Page 29 onwards being the most relevant.

Pretty interesting to reflect on in relation to the talk on here about Dredd's budget, ratings, advertising spend, distribution etc etc
( sorry but my brain is unwilling to put the comments together with stats to make a summary. Lunch breaks are too short for such concentration !)



Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 03 February, 2012, 02:13:04 pm
I don't want gore. I'd like a Dredd that can handle combat with the minimum of fuss and max effect, and if that means blood spurting, fine, but I'm actually after great technique. If they want guts floating towards the screen cut out, they'll get no complaints from me.

It's Feb and I'm actually at the stage now where I'm all zen about it all. I really don't think there is anything to worry about re Dredd. Not anymore anyway. Whatever the holdup was, it all seems to be sorted. Some posts back, there was an estimate for a trailer around March (Joe Soap's estimate, I think) and I'm happily, and calmly, waiting for that to happen.

Besides, been rewatching a lot of the Garland works, and he can tell a good story, and I love me a good story. I can take a helluva lot of probs elsewhere if the story sucks me in.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 03 February, 2012, 02:43:00 pm
It can be pretty difficult getting an 18 rating these days. Most of the 18 rated films of the 80s have since been reclassified to lower ratings on DVD.

I don't really care about the rating. People place far too much emphasis on it, particularly the US version which, if you've ever seen the doc This Film is Not Yet Rated, is pretty random. The UK board is much fairer and accurate.

I expect Dredd to have a similar 'feel' and tone to stuff like 28 Days Later mixed with District 9. If that's a high rating, so be it. If it's lower, that's fine too. As long as it's good.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 03 February, 2012, 03:03:24 pm
I don't want gore.

 :lol:   

....Sorry, Point taken though.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Fuzzed on 03 February, 2012, 04:16:15 pm
I don't want gore.

 :lol:   

....Sorry, Point taken though.



Laugh it up, fuzzball.

No, seriously though, I couldn't care less whether I see blood and guts splatter on the screen. 'Gore' is not the same as 'violent' and film-makers can scare and sicken you with the brutality of it all, without gore, and still be realistic.

That said, if Dredd is gory, I'll still be happy.

Basically, I have no point except yay Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 03 February, 2012, 04:52:31 pm
I want Dredd snapping limbs and bouncing perps heads off walls with his brutal hand to hand scrapping skills and not just endless shooting.

 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James on 03 February, 2012, 05:47:08 pm
I want Dredd snapping limbs and bouncing perps heads off walls with his brutal hand to hand scrapping skills and not just endless shooting.


Kinda like the martial art style Batman uses in the newer films; designed to take the enemy out quickly and effectively, with little risk of them getting back up to give him any more shit. That combined with a bit of Dredd over the top brutality would be great, thanks.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 03 February, 2012, 08:58:21 pm
With a side order of batton clubbing
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 03 February, 2012, 09:30:25 pm
The difference with Dredd to Batman is that he doesn't care if lethal force is used.





V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 03 February, 2012, 09:33:07 pm
The difference with Dredd to Batman is that he doesn't care if lethal force is used.


Too right, even he killed an offender for theft the TV set!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 03 February, 2012, 11:03:10 pm
Just trying to think of the goriest Dredd story... and I think it may be the Otto Sump Ugly Clinic story. In that a gangster gets cut to ribbons in a hospital by a damaged RoboSurgeon, blood and guts flying all over the place.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 04 February, 2012, 04:15:06 am
The gory violence in Dredd isn't the problem, more than likely, it's the reaction the MPAA will have to it that's causing the DNA guys anxiety, solution is submit the maximum-blood-n'-guts version to them, if they threaten to slap it with an NC-17, give 'em the version with the reshot scenes, meanwhile the rest of us can enjoy the uncut version of Dredd with a nice '18' rating and the Yanks (and Canucks, sorry Canada :D) can enjoy it later on the unrated DVD/Bluray... there, problem solved, thank you DNA Films you're welcome, that'll be £200 please (or ten boxes of Carlsberg)...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 04 February, 2012, 06:08:11 am
There is no evidence to.suggest anyone has an issue with the violence in the unfinished unseen unreleased movie
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 04 February, 2012, 01:15:30 pm
Apart from jittery folk on Forums...

It'll be interesting how things get the longer no official preview or trailer...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 04 February, 2012, 01:42:45 pm
The PR on this so far has been poor.  The Empire stuff was more like it but its timing had me puzzled. As already stated the longer it is left with no official endorsed trailer and images released the more this movie will be unoffically promoted by negative rumour and conjecture. An official DREDD movie web site would do alot to quell this keeping everybody happy  till the big stuff is released nearer September.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 04 February, 2012, 01:54:57 pm
This is of course being discussed today at SFX Weekend - Twitter Droid keeping us up to date!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 04 February, 2012, 01:58:04 pm
Unfortunately I believe that the Empire feature was scheduled when DREDD was still due for a Q1 2012 release, so the timing is bad now that it's been postponed til September, meaning it'll be well over a year between the cover feature and the film being released - fine for a mega budget blockbuster, but not for a lower profile movie like DREDD.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 04 February, 2012, 04:17:54 pm
Agreed Mr.  Radiator ... it's  clearer now that you've explained why the Empire feature was ill timed.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 February, 2012, 12:45:47 am
Same thing happened with Hellboy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MattJW on 05 February, 2012, 01:41:56 am
I would have thought that it's very advantageous to get a major movie magazine article published, some ten months before cinematic release. Creates some early buzz, surely.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 05 February, 2012, 02:01:00 am
Agreed Mr.  Radiator ... it's  clearer now that you've explained why the Empire feature was ill timed.

It may have been ill-timed, but in defense of IM Global and co., they didn't know it was going to be pushed back to September (does anyone know exactly WHY specifically it was postponed?) when they agreed to have Empire  visit the set and do the write-up, these things are worked out in advance, but the continued silence on the whole publicity for Dredd is becoming an emerging problem for it's reputation, however, and one they need to rectify pronto, or by the time the film is released, it's gonna be tarred with the whole 'troubled production' brush, and they'll find it very difficult to shake that off... no matter how good the eventual film turns out!

Same thing happened with Hellboy.

What happened with Hellboy then, never heard of any problems there...?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2012, 01:00:50 pm
I would have thought that it's very advantageous to get a major movie magazine article published, some ten months before cinematic release. Creates some early buzz, surely.

I guess it depends on whether you've got much to follow it up with - it didn't help that the next story that emerges is about the director being locked out of the edit (whether true or false) and you end up with a lack of information/pics/trailers from the makers and that void seems to be filled with more negative stories or you lose momentum on the promotion...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 05 February, 2012, 01:13:27 pm
These are all valid points that every one is airing so far.  Surely it would be better for everyone to be distracted by and discussing the merits of an official teaser trailer? This can't be far off especially with some major conventions looming.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2012, 01:29:42 pm
I suppose it's all down to whether they want to hold off until SDCC (which seems to be cutting it fine for a September release) or not, or if they think it being a British character, Kapow would be a better bet.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 05 February, 2012, 01:50:55 pm
what American events could it possibly get exposure at?  Would something like the Super bowl be asking to much  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 02:06:40 pm
Well it won't be on Sugar Puffs.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 02:10:08 pm
Best use of a Lawmaster at 0:49 and wasn't in the film:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTt1kPcwTY
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2012, 02:13:11 pm
I doubt it, Dredd seems too niche, but I don't know how many spots they have for the non-blockbuster films.

There is one for The Dictator, but that's got a wider appeal than Dredd...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2012, 02:15:02 pm
Best use of a Lawmaster at 0:49 and wasn't in the film:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTt1kPcwTY

Hah! I'd not seen that one before...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 02:20:04 pm
I doubt it, Dredd seems too niche, but I don't know how many spots they have for the non-blockbuster films.


I don't think niche is the problem, if they had spare spondoolicks to throw on a spot during the Superbowl ads, they'd jump at that kind of mass exposure.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 02:23:48 pm
A 30 second spot would cost about $3 million.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 05 February, 2012, 02:37:04 pm
A 30 second spot would cost about $3 million.

Yes.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 02:42:12 pm
Yes.


Thanks.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 February, 2012, 02:44:51 pm
What happened with Hellboy then, never heard of any problems there...?
Expected release date and a massive article in one of the UK monthlies, and then the UK release date was put pack six months. So not quite the same thing (since the US release of Hellboy remained intact) but in this country it has the same overall result (in the sense of an 'early' major feature that the magazine would not and could not later repeat).

The thing is, I don't know how much of this matters as far as Dredd is concerned. As long as we see a robust and relevant marketing campaign in the few months prior to the release, nothing else really matters on that score.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2012, 02:46:52 pm
Just spike the popcorn with slomo and make it last a frame...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 05 February, 2012, 03:02:09 pm
My concern is that a campaign promoting Dredd to late on will get washed away in the wake of the big summer blockbusters.  Better to start early. As for the Super Bowl slot lets have a whip round on the forum to get some cash.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 03:17:49 pm
My concern is that a campaign promoting Dredd to late on will get washed away in the wake of the big summer blockbusters.  Better to start early.


...but the converse can be true also, a campaign started before those films come out will be trounced even more by the intense marketing of said bigger films so a more focused campaign afterwards -or attached to those films- is really more appropriate.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 05 February, 2012, 03:33:30 pm
That's also true Monsieur Soap, looks like it's a rock and a hard place scenario for the studio.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 05 February, 2012, 03:48:05 pm
Maybe, just maybe, the fact the film makers do this for a living - they might know what they are doing.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 05 February, 2012, 03:53:43 pm
This argument does crop up occasionally...

It doesn't really mean much one way or the other.

There are plenty of people who do something for a living who are not particularly good at it, or fuck up spectactularly.

This isn't aimed at the film-makers, just that particular rationale...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 05 February, 2012, 04:51:56 pm
That is why I put a few safeguarding 'maybes' I have known lots of people that are useless at what I do...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 05 February, 2012, 04:57:41 pm
In IM Global we trust.  What do we know anyway we're only the paying public.  :P
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 05 February, 2012, 05:07:35 pm
There's the spirit... almost... ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 February, 2012, 05:40:00 pm
Maybe, just maybe, the fact the film makers do this for a living - they might know what they are doing.  Just a thought.
Quite. Dredd is being made by people who have a lot of experience in working with relatively unknown properties and yet—more often than not—ending up with films that perform quite well at the box office. It's worth noting that whatever they do, Dredd will be somewhat drowned out by the marketing hundreds of millions from massive productions. That's why the timing will be key, and I'd sooner see a blitz or steady campaign nearer the time than money wasted now on marketing that people will forget.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2012, 05:45:16 pm
Funny why people have a hard time accepting this idea. Their default mode then being: 'the film is shite'.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 05 February, 2012, 06:23:45 pm
That seems to be the problem. Folks want to make their judgements about the film before it's been watched by anybody. "If I could see a clip then I can see how rubbish it is" ...seems to be the mind set towards the film at the moment.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 05 February, 2012, 08:55:44 pm
Like 99.999999999% of the twats who're self proclaimed experts on the IMDB boards? The "This movie sux just cuz, lolz" brigade.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 05 February, 2012, 08:59:28 pm
I've seen it and its drokkin' brilliant  :D

Shit, my post from September seems to have travelled through a timey wimey thing and been posted in February  :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 05 February, 2012, 09:13:07 pm
Just remember there are going to be quite a few summer block busters carrying the Dredd trailer. This can only be a good thing.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 05 February, 2012, 09:51:28 pm
Just remember there are going to be quite a few summer block busters carrying the Dredd trailer. This can only be a good thing.




V

Good point. And we're talking about the general movie going public here. They quickly forget. If they remember anything at all.

- C
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Adventurer on 06 February, 2012, 07:25:22 am
Do you think the Dredd Trailer will be attached to Prometheus? Because THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 06 February, 2012, 08:59:05 am
I would say, personally, that all SCI-FI/Comic book adaptions would carry it over the summer.





V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 06 February, 2012, 01:25:15 pm
It would have to be advertised after Nine o'clock on British TV. If  they went for a TV campaign that is.

How expensive would that be? Superbowl Ads cost squillions but British TV Advertising? Bit cheaper surely?

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 01:26:34 pm
It would have to be advertised after Nine o'clock on British TV. If  they went for a TV campaign that is.

How expensive would that be? Superbowl Ads cost squillions but British TV Advertising? Bit cheaper surely?

Advert during the C4 The Coppers? ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 06 February, 2012, 03:52:09 pm
I looked through the last few pages and didn't see anything on them so I will post them. Some new pics on Dredd, they are watermarked by the site that posted them to me, but dunno weather there are originals none watermarked or not.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/160o7sg.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/f25uko.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/wlc6j6.jpg)

There are two more on the site, but one in particular may be a bit spoilerish.

http://karlurbankiwi.creatuforo.com/dredd2012filming-promotion-still-temas16703.html#16703


I am not sure what to make of these, not too fond of the picture of Dredd where he looks as though he is crying.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 03:58:45 pm

Fuck! THAT BRILLIANT! It not been on before, MR Eliminator!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 04:07:29 pm
Honest, very excited! As Karl Urban looks perfectly as Dredd! Great chin! Great uniform and helmet! None lack about it!

Anderson looks so perfect as well!

Like that lawgiver!

That was so spoiler scene, but very violent of course for Dredd!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 06 February, 2012, 04:14:07 pm
I really like the picture of Anderson and Dredd together, and Dredd shooting something. The middle one was probably just a bad timing shot.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 06 February, 2012, 04:17:56 pm
Don't think it's a shot in the film anyways, as you can see the reflection of a city in his visor and it doesn't look like Mega City.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
Those pics are amazing.

Or at least that's what I would be saying if the helmet in that first picture didn't look comically huge.  :o

Weirdly, it looks fine in the ones below...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mike Carroll on 06 February, 2012, 04:33:27 pm
Two more from the
same site (http://karlurbankiwi.creatuforo.com/dredd2012filming-promotion-still-temas16703.html#16703):

(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/d4-1.jpg)
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/d5-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 06 February, 2012, 04:35:16 pm
Oh fuck me, I can't wait for this. Middle pic's my favorite, to be honest. Looks perfect. BRING IT ON!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 06 February, 2012, 04:37:48 pm
WOW.  Look, it's Judge Dredd! 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 06 February, 2012, 04:38:25 pm
Is this the first decent image of the eagle?

I think the costume designers did a top job here... that eagle looks fantastic.

All lookin good so far.. roll on September.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 06 February, 2012, 04:40:40 pm
This Karl Urban fan site may be the source.
Less compression artifacts and crushed blacks.

http://karlurbaninternational.foros.ws/t1237/dredd-extras-behind-the-scenes-on-set-making-offs/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 06 February, 2012, 04:49:48 pm
Great pics, gives us a real feel for this movie now and long overdue. Im liking the eagle embellishment on the plating works for me now.

And gore too! Nice to see Justice being dispensed by Cassandra :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 06 February, 2012, 04:52:30 pm
I played a bit with the exposure and I actually really like this image now.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2aaftbp.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 06 February, 2012, 04:54:38 pm
And gore too! Nice to see Justice being dispensed by Cassandra :)

"PG-13 this!" <Blam!!!>
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 06 February, 2012, 04:59:50 pm
I played a bit with the exposure and I actually really like this image now.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2aaftbp.jpg)

He kinda' reminds me of Brian Thompson here! He looks great!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 05:01:08 pm
And gore too! Nice to see Justice being dispensed by Cassandra :)

"PG-13 this!" <Blam!!!>

Too Right! So the violent edit rumour were shit!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 06 February, 2012, 05:07:25 pm
Amazing pics,love the one of Dredd face on.

PERFECT.

Nice bit of claret in the headshot pic...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 February, 2012, 05:12:03 pm
Looks great, a bit like Dredd meets Mad Max. MC-1 is clearly a much nastier, low-tech place than it is in the comics, but if the feel of Dredd is maintained, this could be a fantastic action flick. And I think the helmet looks fine in context.

Mind you, one thing they've happily kept from the comics: female judges tend to lose their hats a lot!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 05:18:46 pm
Quote
Mind you, one thing they've happily kept from the comics: female judges tend to lose their hats a lot!

Without getting too spoilery about it, this is acknowledged in the script in a rather clever way.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: strontium71 on 06 February, 2012, 05:28:55 pm
As for the reflection bit , it reminds when in the '95 film , when the SJS come to arrest Dredd , there's a bit when you can plainly see the reflection of the stage buildings and the fact they are only two stories high in the image. This could be similar.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 06 February, 2012, 05:36:31 pm
It's weird how these pics came from Spanish Karl Urban fan sites.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 05:43:49 pm
I very much doubt these are stills from the actual film, they look like snaps taken on-set. I wouldn't read anything into that reflection, it's probably just Cape Town.

Still can't quite believe how jarring that helmet looks in that first picture. It blows my mind that something wasn't done about it - surely someone in the cast or crew would have flagged it as a problem?

Bizarrely, it actually appears to be smaller in the close up where it looks fine. Does it just look massive from certain angles or something?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: strontium71 on 06 February, 2012, 05:47:05 pm
Does it just look massive from certain angles or something?

I usually find that... ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 06 February, 2012, 05:48:41 pm
How things look depends on the lens used.

It's why portrait photographers use a longer lens as it's more flattering, where a wider angle close up tends to distort the features.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gavin_Leahy_Block on 06 February, 2012, 05:50:51 pm
Looks fantastic, finally we are getting a proper Dredd film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 06 February, 2012, 05:55:50 pm

Still can't quite believe how jarring that helmet looks in that first picture. It blows my mind that something wasn't done about it - surely someone in the cast or crew would have flagged it as a problem?

Bizarrely, it actually appears to be smaller in the close up where it looks fine. Does it just look massive from certain angles or something?

I think it's because his head is tilted down so it casts more of his face in shadow making it seem smaller.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: LARF on 06 February, 2012, 05:56:27 pm
WOW!

I love that shot of Anderson blowing the back of Iain M Banks head off!

This looks like it's going to be a great film!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 06 February, 2012, 06:05:37 pm
Great pics, gives us a real feel for this movie now and long overdue. Im liking the eagle embellishment on the plating works for me now.

And gore too! Nice to see Justice being dispensed by Cassandra :)

Is she Shooting?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 06:08:21 pm
I promised myself I wouldn't get drawn into doing photoshops of movie images, but couldn't resist this time.

It's a fine line between badass and bobblehead...

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/radiator_2006/Dredd.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 06 February, 2012, 06:39:51 pm
On the head shot I just noticed the secondary eagle wing under the main pauldron. If you look at the shot of Judge Lex in the Empire article there appears to be another set of eagle tail feathers moulded on the arm of his leathers. I did wonder if Dredd Anderson would be unclipping those Austrialpine Cobras. and slinking out of that bulky vest.

I very much doubt these are stills from the actual film, they look like snaps taken on-set. I wouldn't read anything into that reflection, its probably just Cape Town.

The big red blob behind him is a display screen outside the entrance to Cape Town Civic Centre. From the cheek wound, and the distressed costume it looks like it was taken when they were shooting the end of the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 06 February, 2012, 06:42:17 pm
Is there anything in the script explaining why Anderson never gets to wear a helmet even in shoot-outs? (Of course we know the true reason is because she's pretty).
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 06:49:14 pm
Quote
Is there anything in the script explaining why Anderson never gets to wear a helmet even in shoot-outs? (Of course we know the true reason is because she's pretty).

In short - yes.

They are about to storm an apartment, and the following exchange occurs:

Dredd: "I was wondering when you'd remember that you left your helmet back at base"
Anderson: "Wearing it inteferes with my (psychic) abilities."
Dredd: "Not as much as a bullet would".
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 06 February, 2012, 06:56:09 pm
Fuck yeah! I'm VERY happy with those pics!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 06 February, 2012, 07:04:38 pm
Tantalising, could do with more. Looks like the doom mongers are wrong.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Noisybast on 06 February, 2012, 07:22:06 pm
In short - yes.

They are about to storm an apartment, and the following exchange occurs:

Dredd: "I was wondering when you'd remember that you left your helmet back at base"
Anderson: "Wearing it inteferes with my (psychic) abilities."
Dredd: "Not as much as a bullet would".


Which is a perfectly good rationale for her not wearing it and a nice bit of Wagneresque deadpan Dredd!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 07:32:33 pm
Yep. My abiding impression from the script - of which I have only read the first 10-12 pages, and very lightly skimmed the rest - is that it utterly nails the character and attitude of Dredd, and that to me is the most important thing.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 06 February, 2012, 07:36:14 pm
On the head shot I just noticed the secondary eagle wing under the main pauldron. If you look at the shot of Judge Lex in the Empire article there appears to be another set of eagle tail feathers moulded on the arm of his leathers. I did wonder if Dredd Anderson would be unclipping those Austrialpine Cobras. and slinking out of that bulky vest.

Have two (probably stupid) theories about that. Didn't Wagner make a suggestion early on about the costumes being altered to match the comic a little better? Wonder if the vests and pads are part of that and they cover up what the original costume had in place?

Also, think how much BIGGER those helmets would look on someone's head without that added padding and armor. I think it looks fucking excellent as it is but wonder what the first pass at the costumes looked like.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 06 February, 2012, 08:11:12 pm
These appear to be promo shots rather than actual stills taken from the finished film.

But either way they look great!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 08:19:42 pm
What is the significance of the indented recess moulding on the left gauntlet? It ain't on the right gauntlet:


(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)




Ben Wilsher has started drawing it on both sides; that'll teach him, jumpin' the gun lke that:


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vnhVP0WJTgs/TymD2v1nl9I/AAAAAAAADl0/D_v4zDWg0po/s400/boris%2B5.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 06 February, 2012, 08:26:48 pm
Mind you, one thing they've happily kept from the comics: female judges tend to lose their hats a lot!

That's Helmets not hats. Come on get with the programme.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 06 February, 2012, 08:28:19 pm
Like the new images. Nice, gory head shot which is what we want. The slight bubblehead I can live with.

What is the significance of the indented recess moulding on the left gauntlet? It ain't on the right gauntlet:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)

 

No idea. Can't figure it out either.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 06 February, 2012, 08:29:26 pm
Forgot to add. Fuck fuck fucketty fuck. Even more exited about the film now.
Great pics, gives us a real feel for this movie now and long overdue. Im liking the eagle embellishment on the plating works for me now.

And gore too! Nice to see Justice being dispensed by Cassandra :)

Is she Shooting?
The armoury would be pretty stupid to let her fire a blank that close to another actors face.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: nicklambo on 06 February, 2012, 08:34:51 pm
Seeing those pictures I guarantee that the size of the helmet is down to the fact that they had to make it like that so that the respirator can come down and cover the face (maybe join up with the front of the helmet....you can see in the picture taken from above that the respirator section is much bigger than in the comics...forming part of the top of the helmet....)....Oh....And I think it is all getting pretty exciting now....!!..Love the Eagle shoulder pad....and yes..it looks like there is a smaller Eagle underneath the body armour... :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 08:36:37 pm
Mind you, one thing they've happily kept from the comics: female judges tend to lose their hats a lot!

That's Helmets not hats. Come on get with the programme.




V

Every time anyone writes a post including the world 'helmet', someone  else imaginatively and hilariously makes the witty and clever observation that the word is slang for the end of a cock. Guessing that's why he used 'hat' instead.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 08:40:15 pm
I've seen mask used a few times which really sounds poxy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spikes on 06 February, 2012, 08:41:38 pm
Just caught these pics over on Facebook, Great stuff! I know the release date is an age away, but i wish theyd release more stuff like this. Guess everyone is now excited all over again....
That pic of Anderson............ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 06 February, 2012, 08:43:33 pm
I recommend 'lid' and 'headgear' as moron-proof alternatives.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2012, 08:43:44 pm
Quote


(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)

Mini commlink screen?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 08:44:44 pm
I know the release date is an age away, but i wish theyd release more stuff like this. Guess everyone is now excited all over again....




Y'see, doesn't matter what they release or when, you all want more and for it to be here yesterday. I'm enjoying the slow release and glad it's not out in Spring and that it's still several months away.


Won't clash with the RAID in March either.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 08:45:36 pm
Quote


(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)

Mini commlink screen?



That's what I'd surmised but wasn't willing to say. It'll be CGI then if so.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 06 February, 2012, 08:49:02 pm
Lovely set of stills complimenting and expanding on the Empire pictures released earlier. Looks like a slow trickle awareness campaign for DREDD is underway ... thank grud.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 06 February, 2012, 08:51:45 pm

Quote

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)
Mini commlink screen?
That's what I'd surmised but wasn't willing to say. It'll be CGI then if so.

Surely Dredd communicates via his helmet Visored Helm?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 08:52:50 pm
Surely Dredd communicates via his helmet Visored Helm?



Why?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 09:03:33 pm
What is the significance of the indented recess moulding on the left gauntlet? It ain't on the right gauntlet:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)


Sorry but what are you on about?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 06 February, 2012, 09:04:16 pm
AHA! They've changed it from the comic strip! Looks better visually rather than talking on his helmet Mike.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spikes on 06 February, 2012, 09:08:14 pm
I know the release date is an age away, but i wish theyd release more stuff like this. Guess everyone is now excited all over again....

Y'see, doesn't matter what they release or when, you all want more and for it to be here yesterday. I'm enjoying the slow release and glad it's not out in Spring and that it's still several months away.

Oh i agree Joe, just a bit excited, is all. Not after a deluge, just a bit more than the nearly dried up trickle of late. At this stage, slow is the way to go - September is a loooong way off yet, but after the negitive rumours circulating - directors being let go, alleged cuts to tone down violence etc, something like these photos gets everyone smiling again. This boy can wait, honest.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 09:09:44 pm
What is the significance of the indented recess moulding on the left gauntlet? It ain't on the right gauntlet:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)


Sorry but what are you on about?



What's the difference between the left & right glove?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 09:11:53 pm
What is the significance of the indented recess moulding on the left gauntlet? It ain't on the right gauntlet:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)


Sorry but what are you on about?



What's the difference between the left & right glove?

A patch on left arm? AND?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 09:12:46 pm

A patch on left arm? AND?



What. Is. It.?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 09:16:03 pm

A patch on left arm? AND?



What. Is. It.?

Wait. Till. The. Film. Out?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 09:18:03 pm
Why bother asking me what I asked?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 06 February, 2012, 09:20:08 pm
new piccys look good.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 06 February, 2012, 09:22:19 pm
It looks like something can be slipped in there, like on pilots flight suits.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 09:22:31 pm
What. Is. It.?

Could it be;

Video link?
Access patch?
Could be something that need on his left arm when he is right hand for hand weapons?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 06 February, 2012, 09:30:13 pm
Where did this Spanish Karl Urban website get these pics? Who sent them ?

Most look official though I feel the Karl Urban pic with the building reflected in the Visor seems more Ad hoc. Good photo though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: LARF on 06 February, 2012, 09:30:50 pm
It's where the birdie/comm unit goes, IIRC from the script doesn't it get lost?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mister Pops on 06 February, 2012, 09:34:27 pm
What. Is. It.?

Could it be;

Video link?
Access patch?
Could be something that need on his left arm when he is right hand for hand weapons?

That's some good nit picking there lads. Keep it up. ;-p

It looks like something can be slipped in there....

Ooo-er missus
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 06 February, 2012, 09:54:07 pm
What. Is. It.?

Could it be;

Video link?
Access patch?
Could be something that need on his left arm when he is right hand for hand weapons?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/defyitall/Clone%20Wars%20Armor%20Project/Compad/Reference/Compad6.png)

-Walks away quickly whistling innocently-
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 09:56:19 pm
-Walks away quickly whistling innocently-

*whisper* thanks mate!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 09:58:29 pm
It's where the bio-chip goes.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 06 February, 2012, 10:41:59 pm
What. Is. It.?

Could it be;

Video link?
Access patch?
Could be something that need on his left arm when he is right hand for hand weapons?

Motorcycle cop.. Which side is your throttle on?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 06 February, 2012, 10:42:57 pm
..I know what it is..  :-X

Anywho, pics and stuff here too: http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/02/new-dredd-photos-show-exploding-brain-ol.php
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 11:06:25 pm
..I know what it is..  :-X



Yeah but you can't say. Scaredy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 06 February, 2012, 11:12:51 pm
Scaredy or not.. I still know what it is  :D

(http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/buzz.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 11:14:41 pm
Ooops, 50 lashes.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2012, 11:16:08 pm
Scaredy or not.. I still know what it is  :D

(http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/buzz.jpg)

It's a sticker?  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 06 February, 2012, 11:16:17 pm
..I know what it is..  :-X



Yeah but you can't say. Scaredy.

Oh no could it be...?

(http://mimg.ugo.com/201004/42069/predator2-sef-destruct.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 06 February, 2012, 11:17:27 pm
Looking good :)

- C
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 06 February, 2012, 11:18:52 pm
I can't wait to hear him talk, he looks like he's going to come out with some real satirical lines. Face on him!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 06 February, 2012, 11:21:01 pm
Ooops, 50 lashes.

I'll just blame you :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 06 February, 2012, 11:24:03 pm
A patch on left arm? AND?
What. Is. It.?
Looks like an ordinary pocket to me.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2012, 11:25:55 pm
It isn't now.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 07 February, 2012, 12:04:44 am
just watching Escape from New York on the box ... the new DREDD pictures have a similar look. The green lighting / tints and desolate backdrops especially.  The crazies taking on Snake look abit more menacing than the ones in the DREDD pic's though.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 07 February, 2012, 12:12:09 am

Like that lawgiver!


You I'll keep..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 07 February, 2012, 12:13:29 am

Like that lawgiver!


You I'll keep..

Keep for what?  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 07 February, 2012, 02:29:51 am
I hadn't even noticed the second eagle before but it is blatantly obvious in the glowy red ight pic. Strange.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 07 February, 2012, 04:26:04 am
OH BABY!!!  Ahem, sorry about that, just logged on and saw these awesome new pics (late to the party as usual), if anyone has anything negative to say (Scott?) then speak now or forever hold your peace, 'cause any doubts about this movie should be well and truly dispelled, they look fantastic (is it me or does Anderson look so vulnerable, you just wanna give 'er a hug, sorry but true :-[), and I agree with dracula1, I too was watching the awesome Escape from New York on ITV4, and Dredd really does have that kind of vibe to it- a very good thing, in my book!

I wonder if the pics were released to counter some of the negative tittle-tattle on some forums (no names of course ;)), if they did, I think they just righted the good ship Dredd in fine fashion, the first trailer may not be released yet, but these will do fine, kudos DNA Films, and kudos Michaelvk (the props look great), those pics will do just nicely for now...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Waltev on 07 February, 2012, 05:52:25 am
I like the new images a lot. Anderson's (Thirlby's) shooting stance looks a bit off to me, though... I've never seen anyone fire a weapon with their back and legs that straight and legs / feet so level.

Well, promo shots (:)) I guess.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 07 February, 2012, 06:08:10 am
Like the new images. Nice, gory head shot which is what we want. The slight bubblehead I can live with.

What is the significance of the indented recess moulding on the left gauntlet? It ain't on the right gauntlet:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6985/d11c.jpg)

 
My first thought were that they are magnets for fixing ammo mags too when hes in a rush,under fire etc

Just a guess?
No idea. Can't figure it out either.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 07 February, 2012, 07:36:14 am
I like the new images a lot. Anderson's (Thirlby's) shooting stance looks a bit off to me, though... I've never seen anyone fire a weapon with their back and legs that straight and legs / feet so level.

Well, promo shots (:)) I guess.

Hmm... could it be that she isn't shooting?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 07 February, 2012, 10:16:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/RZxTU.jpg)

Looks like she's firing.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 07 February, 2012, 11:00:01 am
I like the new images a lot. Anderson's (Thirlby's) shooting stance looks a bit off to me, though... I've never seen anyone fire a weapon with their back and legs that straight and legs / feet so level.

Well, promo shots (:)) I guess.

She's new at dispensing justice and doing it with vunerbility ::)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Dash Decent on 07 February, 2012, 11:01:23 am
If she was shooting downward (towards the perp), wouldn't the stuff spraying out the back of his head be spraying more downwards rather than upwards?  It could be she's got the gun trained on him and someone else shoots him.  Or it could just be the timing of the photo, or something completely unnoticeable in the split second it appears on screen.

Mind you, one thing they've happily kept from the comics: female judges tend to lose their hats a lot!

That's Helmets not hats. Come on get with the programme.

C'mon, how many female Judges have you seen with hats?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Dash Decent on 07 February, 2012, 11:02:33 am
If she was shooting downward (towards the perp), wouldn't the stuff spraying out the back of his head be spraying more downwards rather than upwards?  It could be she's got the gun trained on him and someone else shoots him.  Or it could just be the timing of the photo, or something completely unnoticeable in the split second it appears on screen.

Mind you, one thing they've happily kept from the comics: female judges tend to lose their hats a lot!

That's Helmets not hats. Come on get with the programme.

C'mon, how many female Judges have you seen with hats? Q.E.D.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Dash Decent on 07 February, 2012, 11:04:15 am
I swear that 'Modify' button disappeared and turned into 'Quote' in the micro second it took to click on it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 07 February, 2012, 11:06:37 am
Now it's at Total Film; http://www.totalfilm.com/news/new-dredd-images-arrive (http://www.totalfilm.com/news/new-dredd-images-arrive)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 07 February, 2012, 12:01:35 pm
Tremendous new pictures. Looks fantastic. Dredd looks well good offing the scum with his Lawgiver!

I still think the helmet looks fine. Bigger than we're used to but still fine.

Roll on September!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 February, 2012, 12:03:28 pm
is it me or does Anderson look so vulnerable, you just wanna give 'er a hug
Judge assault—ten years, creep!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 07 February, 2012, 01:46:29 pm
The new pics are great, and Olivia Thirlby looks perfect as Anderson.The only concern for me from the pics though is the distinct lack of any future tech.I can see they have gone for a dark and gritty look, just hope we get to see at least some of the Mega City that we know and love -fingerds crossed.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 07 February, 2012, 02:12:45 pm
Actual footage from Judge Dredd cartoon

http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno (http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 07 February, 2012, 02:35:21 pm
Actual footage from Judge Dredd cartoon

http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno (http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno)

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SuperSurfer on 07 February, 2012, 03:07:35 pm
Actual footage from Judge Dredd cartoon

http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno (http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno)
'kin brilliant. 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 07 February, 2012, 04:00:28 pm
I think this film is getting pretty well hyped considering how little has been revealed. 4 Pictures has kick started a whole lot of discussion and i've seen tons of film news sites re-post those pics too.

Though I don't think the film production actually intended those pics to be leaked, they don't seem very official.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 07 February, 2012, 04:43:20 pm
Well, we saw 'em here first. It's pretty mouth watering stuff, a small trickle of new pics we soon turn into a flood. I'm also curious to find out how the rest of the scenery is going to look. No hint of what the Law Masters will look like.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 07 February, 2012, 04:49:59 pm
Actual footage from Judge Dredd cartoon

http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno (http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno)
'kin brilliant.

Loving this short.  They should have it on before the Dredd film in 3D  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 07 February, 2012, 05:41:36 pm
The angle of the brain shot looks about right. Even from point blank you can get a ricochet from the skull. Entrance wound and exit wound dont always tally up.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 07 February, 2012, 06:04:59 pm
The angle of the brain shot looks about right.
V

  :| :eh:

 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mudcrab on 07 February, 2012, 06:45:31 pm
Actual footage from Judge Dredd cartoon

http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno (http://youtu.be/CFVq7vPtWno)

 :lol: Brilliant! Should have had Mrs Gunderson as Aunt Flo!

Also, Anderson's looking better and better, liking the shoulder eagle too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 07 February, 2012, 09:04:40 pm
Great new pics. (And love the cartoon.) Interesting how they combine the badge/respirator motif in the shoulder eagle design.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 07 February, 2012, 09:14:44 pm
I want that Bod episode in the cinema before the feature!!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 07 February, 2012, 09:46:34 pm
I have been trawling through the comment threads on several news sites to engage feedback from these photos and the American public just dont get Dredd without tieing him in with a certain Stallone movie.

I had to comment on a few to put them right. Anyone else see the shite comments from so called Dredd affecinados ?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 07 February, 2012, 09:50:13 pm
Dredd (2012) to Judge Dredd is what Batman Begins is to Batman & Robin.

If they can figure out what The Amazing Spider-Man is in terms of prequel/reboot/whatever (I sure don't know), they can sure as hell understand what Dredd is.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 07 February, 2012, 11:13:12 pm
Just a query....would Dredd's stubble be the result of being stuck fighting perps in the block for several days?

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 07 February, 2012, 11:21:54 pm
just one day
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 07 February, 2012, 11:42:21 pm
Ah...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 08 February, 2012, 01:52:57 am
I expect this has been said before but i cant be a$$ed trawling through multiple pages. What are the ages of Anderson and Dredd in this movie ?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 08 February, 2012, 03:15:41 am
IIRC, the ages aren't mentioned in the (leaked) script draft you can read online, Kowalsky dude, but Anderson is a young rookie, so probably around the same ages the characters' actors are; Karl Urban- 38, Olivia Thirlby- 24...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 08 February, 2012, 03:19:55 am
... sorry, correction; Karl Urban- 39, Olivia Thirlby- 25, never was good at mathmatics ::)...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Dreddzilla on 08 February, 2012, 05:24:27 am
Well, I'm doing my best to spread the word.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5428049&fpart=1

Getting good reactions.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 February, 2012, 08:22:04 am
I expect this has been said before but i cant be a$$ed trawling through multiple pages. What are the ages of Anderson and Dredd in this movie ?



I'm assuming Anderson is 20, if you accept that she's a rookie -enrolled at the age of 5- who's gone through 15 years at the academy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 08 February, 2012, 08:25:59 am
I'm assuming Anderson is 20....

"...your Honour".
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 February, 2012, 08:31:36 am
If she's old enough to be a Judge in leather.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 08 February, 2012, 08:38:54 am
Full eagle means fully legal?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 08 February, 2012, 11:08:07 am
Just a query....would Dredd's stubble be the result of being stuck fighting perps in the block for several days?
just one day
Ah...

I'm glad this film is shot in just 3D and not also in Smell-o-vision.

Seriously though, you can't expect Dredd not to get some blood spattered on his uniform during a typical day in Mega City One.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 08 February, 2012, 12:11:48 pm
Full eagle means fully legal?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 08 February, 2012, 01:43:38 pm
Full eagle means fully legal?

i just spat my tea out 8-)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 08 February, 2012, 09:29:33 pm
Is this it...

T
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 08 February, 2012, 09:42:28 pm
Is what it?




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: golledge100 on 08 February, 2012, 09:45:35 pm
Is this what?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: strontium71 on 08 February, 2012, 10:40:49 pm
The T that's been spat out.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 08 February, 2012, 11:46:47 pm
there it is again....


T
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 08 February, 2012, 11:57:17 pm
Its growing...

One day it may pose a threat to the city, mark my words  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 08 February, 2012, 11:58:22 pm
TTTT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 09 February, 2012, 01:54:07 pm
(http://2000ad.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dredd.jpg)

If this is some kind of stumm gas is Dredd using his helmet respirator it not?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 09 February, 2012, 02:03:58 pm
If this is some kind of stumm gas is Dredd using his helmet respirator it not?

Could it aftermath of heavy gunfight?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: klute on 09 February, 2012, 04:30:48 pm
If this is some kind of stumm gas is Dredd using his helmet respirator it not?

Could it aftermath of heavy gunfight?

Could it be gas from a perp's arse after seeing Dredd dispense some justice?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 09 February, 2012, 08:03:04 pm
(http://2000ad.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dredd.jpg)

If this is some kind of stumm gas is Dredd using his helmet respirator it not?

Respirator doesn't seem to be down.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: mogzilla on 09 February, 2012, 08:50:19 pm
well, i'm blown away! not as much as the perp with the migraine but still, :D

 looks fandabbydoozy!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Angry Vince on 09 February, 2012, 11:55:12 pm
Had a horrible thought - what is the bet that some wanker re-releases a certain movie from 1995 to cash on the publicity from Dredd?
<shudder>
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 10 February, 2012, 08:52:53 am
Full eagle means fully legal?

LOL. Perhaps this should have been posted in the 'Things that went over your head... ' thread

ahem..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: malkymac on 10 February, 2012, 09:40:57 am
Had a horrible thought - what is the bet that some wanker re-releases a certain movie from 1995 to cash on the publicity from Dredd?
<shudder>

What publicity would that be? :P
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CraveNoir on 10 February, 2012, 12:03:03 pm
FOOTAGE!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0g8ua2Y91qafqw8o1_500.gif)

FROM
http://karlurbaninternational.foros.ws/t1237/dredd-extras-behind-the-scenes-on-set-making-offs/15/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 12:07:22 pm
What publicity would that be? :P

like this?

(http://i43.tinypic.com/29bk8dv.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 10 February, 2012, 12:07:57 pm
Jovus!   :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 12:13:55 pm
FOOTAGE!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0g8ua2Y91qafqw8o1_500.gif)

FROM
http://karlurbaninternational.foros.ws/t1237/dredd-extras-behind-the-scenes-on-set-making-offs/15/

WOO! WHere that from???? Like the dark noir about that! They just executing him like that????
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 10 February, 2012, 12:17:05 pm
They just executing him like that????

You've read the comic book, yes? ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 12:19:08 pm
They just executing him like that????

You've read the comic book, yes? ;)

Yes but not that I expected!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 10 February, 2012, 12:21:24 pm
Standard execution!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 February, 2012, 12:25:23 pm
SPOILERS! Jeez...

Helmets actually look fine in that micro-snippet - woohoo!

Quote
Had a horrible thought - what is the bet that some wanker re-releases a certain movie from 1995 to cash on the publicity from Dredd?
<shudder>

I'm actually quite looking forward to them releasing Dredd '95 on Blu ray - which is surely going to happen between now and September...

I know you can get it from Amazon Germany, but I'm holding out for a proper UK release - I've never owned a copy of the Stallone Dredd on any format...

Quote
They just executing him like that????

They're bent judges...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Glenn Broadway on 10 February, 2012, 12:26:49 pm
Thanks for the massive spoiler there.

BTW - who's in favour of not just adding every new image, clip and news item to this thread? I hate message boards at the best of times, but message boards boards 60+ pages of replies are loathsome.

I think this last update would have really benefited from a new thread with the subject: Short animated GIF from DREDD - SPOILER ALERT.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 February, 2012, 12:28:40 pm
"Animated gif of some masked white folk shooting a black dude in the head sends Internet into meltdown. More news at one."

That's unexpected- and as has been the case with all the promo/ leaked gubbins so far, massively contradictory. Judge on the left- hat looks great! Judge in the middle- huge inflata-hat!

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 10 February, 2012, 12:30:43 pm
I hate message boards at the best of times...

And yet you want this one to accommodate your specific wishes.

However, I do sort-of agree: while I think any sane person would expect spoilers on this thread, maybe a 'clips' thread would be a good idea.  It is a big step forward.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 10 February, 2012, 12:31:29 pm
I really don't know what they're thinking of the way these things are leaked, some animated gif on a celeb fan site?

It's one thing to get spy pics, another to have access to actual footage...



it's a fairly major plot point if you've read the script...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 February, 2012, 12:32:29 pm
According to this website, Judge Dredd (1995) is down for a unspecified 2012 Blu Ray release.

Interestingly, the distributor appears to be Disney/Buena Vista - ISTR hearing that Disney now own the rights to US movie Dredd...

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 10 February, 2012, 12:33:40 pm
I hate message boards at the best of times...

And yet you want this one to accommodate your specific wishes.

However, I do sort-of agree: while I think any sane person would expect spoilers on this thread, maybe a 'clips' thread would be a good idea.  It is a big step forward.

Presumably that's the whole point of this board having spoiler tags, yeah?

So for those people who don't want things spoilt it's a bit difficult if it's an animated gif...

Not entirely unreasonable...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 10 February, 2012, 12:35:44 pm
Gun's cycling nicely  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 February, 2012, 12:36:53 pm
Radiator- I'd suggest keeping a close eye on the BBFC website. There's nothing post-1997 on there at the moment, which suggests that even if the Stallone film is up for rerelease, the distributor has done nothing about it as yet- certainly no new extras or wotnot. It also tells us no trailer or promo material has been submitted for the 2012 version yet.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 10 February, 2012, 12:41:42 pm
It's only really a spoiler if you've read the script. So surely drawing attention to the fact it's a spoiler merely increases the spoiling? I haven't read the script, so didn't know.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 10 February, 2012, 12:42:20 pm
I can't imagine there will be anything substantial in the way of extras, the German BR doesn't have much, and I'm guessing the French one is the same.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 10 February, 2012, 12:46:31 pm
I can't imagine there will be anything substantial in the way of extras, the German BR doesn't have much, and I'm guessing the French one is the same.

Yeah, but one must always hope. Personally, the film I'm REALLY looking forward to is any possible ASYLUM Dredd rip-off. 'Future Cop Grimm", or similar.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 10 February, 2012, 12:50:03 pm
It's only really a spoiler if you've read the script. So surely drawing attention to the fact it's a spoiler merely increases the spoiling? I haven't read the script, so didn't know.

Or make you wonder why 3 judges are gunning down somebody who seems to be no threat?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 10 February, 2012, 01:00:56 pm
Or make you wonder why 3 judges are gunning down somebody who seems to be no threat?

I've clearly become too inured to the random brutality of the judges system ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 10 February, 2012, 01:06:53 pm
"Animated gif of some masked white folk shooting a black dude in the head sends Internet into meltdown. More news at one."

That's unexpected- and as has been the case with all the promo/ leaked gubbins so far, massively contradictory. Judge on the left- hat looks great! Judge in the middle- huge inflata-hat!

SBT

Reminds me of a scene in the film The Man Who Would Be King, with the natives playing polo using enemys head as the ball after a battle..Big head =Big ball.

So, big Judge head= big judge helmet,I dont see a problem.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 10 February, 2012, 01:13:25 pm
Or make you wonder why 3 judges are gunning down somebody who seems to be no threat?

I've clearly become too inured to the random brutality of the judges system ;)

Or the random brutality of Tharg... :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 10 February, 2012, 01:14:09 pm
Or make you wonder why 3 judges are gunning down somebody who seems to be no threat?

I've clearly become too inured to the random brutality of the judges system ;)

Or the random brutality of Tharg... :)

Weeps at the memories
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 10 February, 2012, 01:17:21 pm
Gun's cycling nicely  :)
:D 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 10 February, 2012, 01:19:25 pm
Ka-blam!  who'd have thought a gif file on a Spanish site.  Amazing gif and liking the subversive back door promo the new DREDD film is starting to take.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 February, 2012, 01:24:20 pm
Looks Mega. That's not exactly high resolution but it's got me thinking happy thoughts about someone having their head blown off.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spikes on 10 February, 2012, 01:29:42 pm
Great stuff indeed. Was wondering when some footage would appear, and now we have some.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 10 February, 2012, 01:42:25 pm
The lid differences are great. And the way the executed dude drops away to reveal another semi-silhouetted Judge figure is ghafflebetasmic.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 February, 2012, 01:43:05 pm
Looks Mega. That's not exactly high resolution but it's got me thinking happy thoughts about someone having their head blown off.

Er perhaps I should have re phrased that as I really like the footage rather than I  like people being shot in the head. Sorry if it came across as a little crass.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2012, 01:45:32 pm
Quote

Er perhaps I should have re phrased that as I really like the footage rather than I  like people being shot in the head. Sorry if it came across as a little crass.

Don't worry, we understand.  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 10 February, 2012, 02:12:58 pm
Looking good... had a bit of zarjazasm over it...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spikes on 10 February, 2012, 02:20:47 pm
Hope you had your hat ready.....
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 10 February, 2012, 02:37:34 pm
Brilliant!

"That was so arsom I shunned it into a hat".
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 02:48:32 pm


Just a simple image;
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0g8ua2Y91qafqw8o1_500.gif)

to destory any link to 1995 version!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 February, 2012, 02:49:23 pm
Seriously! How does a Karl Urban fansite get access to this stuff? Unless it's Karl Urban himself?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 10 February, 2012, 02:51:54 pm
Looks like this new film might be a bit of a white knuckle ride. We're definitely in for a few surprises by the look of it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 10 February, 2012, 02:58:15 pm
Looking grittier and darker by the minute. Top find! :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 10 February, 2012, 03:52:23 pm
holy grud.

footage  :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 10 February, 2012, 03:56:32 pm
Brutal, dark and grim (no not the boarders) this looks great. The Judges, menacing figures in an urban hell.

It is Mega city One.


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2012, 04:10:56 pm
Brutal, dark and grim

All rejected names for the clones of Fargo.  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mudcrab on 10 February, 2012, 04:12:04 pm
To borrow a meme, BOOM, Headshot!  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SKD on 10 February, 2012, 04:13:14 pm
 WOW!! :o That footage is hypnotic.  Mickaelvk, is the smoke produced by a gas canister? They wouldn't fire a blank that close to an actors head would they?
 Helmets look fine..... It seems to me that they look larger when shot stright on, the black padding inside the helmet gives the impression of a deep shadow, making the head appear smaller/ helmet bigger.
 Looking forward to this film even more now.
 
 Stew.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 04:20:50 pm
I have to say one thing, The Lawgiver looks fab!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 February, 2012, 04:27:35 pm
This is all so weird - really curious to know where these photos and the gif came from. The stills seemed pretty official-looking, but the gif? Very strange indeed...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 10 February, 2012, 04:42:00 pm
Everything I hoped it would look like,I'm surprised.

F=ck you Avengers.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 10 February, 2012, 05:38:46 pm
Never in my wildest dream..dark Dredd violence on the big screen..the judges looking more oppressive than I ever thought we would see on the silver screen

I'm beyond excited at the moment

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 10 February, 2012, 05:43:22 pm
This is all so weird - really curious to know where these photos and the gif came from. The stills seemed pretty official-looking, but the gif? Very strange indeed...

Seconded -exactly what I am thinking...Curiouser and Curiouser. :eh:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 10 February, 2012, 05:53:40 pm
Trying to work out if the judge in the BG is carrying some sort of shotgun...?

There are notable differences (the visor comes down a lot further for one), but for some reason the movie helmets really remind me of this Kev Walker image:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/985.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 10 February, 2012, 06:53:03 pm
FOOTAGE!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0g8ua2Y91qafqw8o1_500.gif)

FROM
http://karlurbaninternational.foros.ws/t1237/dredd-extras-behind-the-scenes-on-set-making-offs/15/

The helmets seem to make sense when see them in live action.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 07:18:13 pm

Sorry for being geek and slowing down the gif...

Yes looks like shotgun with Judge in background.

(http://i.imgur.com/9vTKG.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 10 February, 2012, 07:19:35 pm
Definate shotgun im sure of it. Also this is the perp who appeared in the fifth photo released ?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 10 February, 2012, 07:53:46 pm
Nothin' but people getting their heads blown off! Haha! Fucking love it! The thing I'm most excited about is the violence we've seen snippets of so far already distinguishes this from every other comic-movie adaptation out there. Everyone else tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator when it comes to marketing their comic book movie to get everyone's bum on a seat and this is the exact opposite: Here's the level of violence and tone you can expect. Either you're in or you're out. Can't fucking wait for a trailer now...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gavin_Leahy_Block on 10 February, 2012, 08:02:26 pm
Excitement level rising.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: nicklambo on 10 February, 2012, 08:32:14 pm
EEEEKKKK....!!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 10 February, 2012, 08:53:40 pm
BOOOOM!!!! AVE THAT!!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 February, 2012, 09:04:28 pm
Sorry for being geek and slowing down the gif...
Yes looks like shotgun with Judge in background.
(http://i.imgur.com/9vTKG.gif)

Perp alert! Goaty's been taking the illegal drug Slo mo!

You can see from the 'Public Information Message' how Justice Department deals with offenders. ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 10 February, 2012, 09:12:04 pm
I think these are Judges on the wrong side of the law.

Someone involved closely with the film must have posted this on the internet first.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 10 February, 2012, 09:15:40 pm
Love to see this @ its proper speed.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 10 February, 2012, 09:23:18 pm
Sorry for being geek and slowing down the gif...
Yes looks like shotgun with Judge in background.
(http://i.imgur.com/9vTKG.gif)

Perp alert! Goaty's been taking the illegal drug Slo mo!

You can see from the 'Public Information Message' how Justice Department deals with offenders. ;)

Shh!!!!

Oh fuck they gonna to getting me! I am so happy with the footage as that the way I like the new Dredd will be!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 10 February, 2012, 09:39:46 pm
Silly old goat.

Maybe they'll just think you are a serial confessor... oh wait, they'll cube you for that too!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 February, 2012, 09:42:02 pm
4 Judges for Titan?

This is of course a blurred snippet of the Film and who knows how long before the long arm of the Law [yes Lawyers!] issues something nasty the old Cease and Desist order. The Empire Dredd photos suddenly seem a long time ago.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Woolly on 10 February, 2012, 09:59:32 pm
Trying to work out if the judge in the BG is carrying some sort of shotgun...?

There are notable differences (the visor comes down a lot further for one), but for some reason the movie helmets really remind me of this Kev Walker image:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/985.jpg)

Yeah, they definately seem to be Walker influenced designs around the visor. I'd go as far as saying based on his work on Sin City*

As for the very welcome, yet a bit strange gif - absolute arsomness! As Goaty said, this instantly seperates it from the '95 effort.


*the Dredd one, obviously!  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James on 10 February, 2012, 10:11:05 pm

FOOTAGE!

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0g8ua2Y91qafqw8o1_500.gif)

FROM
http://karlurbaninternational.foros.ws/t1237/dredd-extras-behind-the-scenes-on-set-making-offs/15/

Background looks good, not much to see but doesn't stand out as being in any way less than fitting in with the overall tone we've seen so far.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 February, 2012, 10:20:58 pm
See, the chunky helmet/uniform design works.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 10 February, 2012, 10:29:57 pm
Now that's a thing of dark beauty!

The only trouble is I want more!!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 10 February, 2012, 10:34:50 pm
And who said the helmets didn't look right? Duh!  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 February, 2012, 01:19:23 am
See, the chunky helmet/uniform design works.

Too early to tell from that IMHO - although it looks promising.

a) it's not Urban wearing the helmet - from the empire stills it looked like Lex(?) seemed to fill the helmet better.

b) It's a blurry dark animated gif, you can't see much more than a tiny bit of head and shoulders...

More interested in what's going on behind the scenes with this - whether it's being deliberately leaked by someone over the violence thing...

Considering 1 still and 1 bit of footage have both included headshots, it seems a bit like someone's trying to prove a point.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 February, 2012, 01:38:53 am
Interesting theory, that hadn't occurred to me. Maybe trying to gauge reaction?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 February, 2012, 02:17:42 am


Considering 1 still and 1 bit of footage have both included headshots, it seems a bit like someone's trying to prove a point.

This occurred to me too, its all very convenient. But if whoever the leak is really wanted to do something about the reaction about the helmet, they should have found a clip with Dredd in it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 February, 2012, 02:23:24 am
I do think the helmets work though. Just as much as a London copper's hat works if that's any comparison.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 11 February, 2012, 04:29:07 am
Interesting theory, that hadn't occurred to me. Maybe trying to gauge reaction?

I thought that about those pics released earlier this week, but also valid about this (AWESOME) bit of footage; dark, gritty, noirish, and unapologetically grim and violent... looks seriously fantastic and hardcore!  And judging by the general response from fellow posters here, both DNA Films and IM Global should be encouraged, I wonder if this bit of footage is a heads-up for an imminent teaser trailer...!?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 11 February, 2012, 04:39:42 am
Had a horrible thought - what is the bet that some wanker re-releases a certain movie from 1995 to cash on the publicity from Dredd?
<shudder>

Not if they finally release Danny Cannon's 'director's cut' version, for it does surely exist somewhere in the Buena Vista vaults, and would certainly shift a few copies on pure morbid interest alone... sadly unlikely though!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Radbacker on 11 February, 2012, 04:46:43 am
Fraken Arsom, I like the small glimpse we have of MC1 in the background. Grey, opressive, monolithic public housing looking buildings all in keeping with the more realistic grittier approach they seem to have taken.  Cant wait to see more, teaser cant be too far away surely?

More please.

CU Radbacker
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 11 February, 2012, 12:02:30 pm
More interested in what's going on behind the scenes with this - whether it's being deliberately leaked by someone over the violence thing...

Considering 1 still and 1 bit of footage have both included headshots, it seems a bit like someone's trying to prove a point.

what violence thing? is this referencing back to the 'my mate down the pub spoke to a magical dog who can travel through time that said that he's next door neighbours dog spoke to his owner whose mate read on a message board that someone wasn't happy with the violence thing'..actually thats not a bad idea for the 2000ad kids comic thread.. Time Traveling Toto and the Future Forum

anyway the source for the animated 'clip' i kinda thought it would have come from the 'making of' documentary.. as they are sometimes produced by outside companies and the security would not be as stringent
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 12:30:59 pm
That's a reasonable assumption, but you're still just surmising like Toto down the pub and just adding to the rumours circulating. I think it's been leaked deliberately by someone involved with the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 01:01:55 pm
He blew his f##kin 'ed off man! BOOM!!! Just like that. No warnin. Nothin. Just BAM!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 February, 2012, 01:13:41 pm
More interested in what's going on behind the scenes with this - whether it's being deliberately leaked by someone over the violence thing...

Considering 1 still and 1 bit of footage have both included headshots, it seems a bit like someone's trying to prove a point.

what violence thing? is this referencing back to the 'my mate down the pub spoke to a magical dog who can travel through time that said that he's next door neighbours dog spoke to his owner whose mate read on a message board that someone wasn't happy with the violence thing'..actually thats not a bad idea for the 2000ad kids comic thread.. Time Traveling Toto and the Future Forum

anyway the source for the animated 'clip' i kinda thought it would have come from the 'making of' documentary.. as they are sometimes produced by outside companies and the security would not be as stringent


Partially, but more snippets picked up from elsewhere and it just seeming a bit 'odd'.

Leaking footage from a 'making of' seems unlikely, without tacit approval from LG or DNA.

And why to some spanish celeb fan-site?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 11 February, 2012, 01:36:46 pm
Time to get Mulder and Scully in ...a conspiracy theory is emerging!!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 February, 2012, 01:39:34 pm
Judge Dredd is a violent anti hero like Max in the Mad Max series of Films.

As I recall the DR3DD film was pitched as a jet black 18 certificate Movie about a future dystopia were only extreme Law enforcement methods can keep society in some sort of order. That means Adult themes and situations.

Now some rumours are circulating about it being too violent, too dark. Perhaps their thinking that they like what they've got but with a few adjustments they can pitch it too the 15+ crowd whose numbers are probably larger than the 18+ certificate the Film was originally made for. They make more money that way.

 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 01:44:21 pm
Judge Dredd is a violent anti hero like Max in the Mad Max series of Films.


You mean Max is a violent anti-hero like Judge Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: mogzilla on 11 February, 2012, 01:57:18 pm
It's only really a spoiler if you've read the script. So surely drawing attention to the fact it's a spoiler merely increases the spoiling? I haven't read the script, so didn't know.
what he said...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 11 February, 2012, 03:00:26 pm
He blew his f##kin 'ed off man! BOOM!!! Just like that. No warnin. Nothin. Just BAM!!

yeah, but, he was only supposed to blow the f##kin doors off
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 03:13:29 pm
Maybe it was Stunning mode?




I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 03:21:24 pm
Maybe it was Stunning mode?

He could have hit him with the butt for that. Definitely a case of cold blooded murder for kicks.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 03:35:31 pm
Hope we get a bit of that, not so distant future Detroit City, Look and vibe for our new Mega City One. From that small clip and what we've been told about the graphic nature of the violence I'm hopin for a massive nod towards Verhoeven. 'Can you Fly Bobby'. Still great! Lol. 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 February, 2012, 04:01:49 pm
There's a scene early in the leaked script that I interpreted as a direct homage to the first Robocop movie - Dredd shoots through an innocent bystander in order to kill a perp who is escaping into a crowd, then dispassionately informs the terrified victim that he aimed so as to miss any of their vital organs and an ambulance is on it's way.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 04:31:09 pm
Madame, you have suffered an emotional shock. I will notify a rape crisis center. Lol.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 04:37:26 pm
No point for spoiler tabs now.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 04:52:37 pm
No point for spoiler tabs now.

Yes cos some like me never read the script!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Darren Stephens on 11 February, 2012, 05:27:06 pm
Yes cos some like me never read the script!

Me neither. I would rather avoid them, if possible thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 11 February, 2012, 05:39:03 pm
Yes cos some like me never read the script!

Me neither. I would rather avoid them, if possible thanks.  ;)

Make that three of us..I started reading the beginning and then thought 'What Am I Doing!'
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 11 February, 2012, 05:48:26 pm
If spoilers are to be discussed please let me know so I can leave this thread and never return  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 06:07:23 pm
Can't wait to see that bad boy 'Law Master' rippin up the 'Rockcrete' as Dredd floors it down the 'Skedway'. :P
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 06:20:01 pm
Ok but just don't spoil anymore spoilered quotes.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 06:25:36 pm
There's a scene early in the leaked script that I interpreted as a direct homage to the first Robocop movie - Dredd shoots through an innocent bystander in order to kill a perp who is escaping into a crowd, then dispassionately informs the terrified victim that he aimed so as to miss any of their vital organs and an ambulance is on it's way.

Great stuff! That's just the sort of OTT, tongue placed firmly in cheek, Dredd/Mega City One we all know and love. It seems the film is staying close to the spirit of the comic.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 06:25:45 pm
Ok but just don't spoil anymore spoilered quotes.

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 February, 2012, 07:19:18 pm
Quote
That's just the sort of OTT, tongue placed firmly in cheek, Dredd/Mega City One we all know and love. It seems the film is staying close to the spirit of the comic.

Hard to say. From what I've seen/heard, it looks like the humour will be blacker and less whimsical than the comics - more Verhoeven than Wagner. There definitely is humour in the script, despite what many people say - but it's very dry and perhaps doesn't read that funny on the page - there's one or two scenes that should get a big laugh in the cinema provided they're handled well. I should stress again that I've only read the first 12 or so pages of the script so I'm speculating.

Dredd's dialogue - what I read of it - is spot on Wagner though; gruff, terse, cynical - note perfect. He sure as shit ain't gonna be getting all teared up in the locker room about his poor old bro - "I judged him"....
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 07:31:39 pm
'Baby Dredd'. Lol. Diane Lane looks good in Lycra though. Word! lol.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 11 February, 2012, 07:48:42 pm
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/karlurbaninternational/footage3.gif

Don't know how to show it but here's what looks like some more footage.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 07:50:55 pm
'Baby Dredd'. Lol. Diane Lane looks good in Lycra though. Word! lol.

What? You posts so strange messages today?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 07:51:25 pm
http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/karlurbaninternational/footage3.gif

Don't know how to show it but here's what looks like some more footage.

Fix it;

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/karlurbaninternational/footage3.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 February, 2012, 07:52:36 pm
Well done Goaty.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 07:54:17 pm

That does looks like FX effect test work?

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/karlurbaninternational/footage3.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 February, 2012, 07:56:20 pm
Yeah I think it must be the compositor showing his work. You can see a  whitish line and some lights of a far off building pop up behind the store on the pictures right.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 11 February, 2012, 07:59:27 pm

That does looks like FX effect test work?

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/karlurbaninternational/footage3.gif)

Cheers Goaty.  I can't tell if any of these Judges actually are Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 February, 2012, 08:00:35 pm
Knowing how Lionsgate operate, I'd say someone is going to be in some serious shit over this.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 08:03:53 pm
I can't tell if any of these Judges actually are Dredd.



Quite clear from the staging none of them are and definitely not the short one.


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 08:04:43 pm

As I was look at Karl Urban Spanish fan site, where the gifs from.
I found this, it is Ephraim Mwakandu - Compositor - Showreel, that where the first gif is from!!!!

http://vimeo.com/36139526 (http://vimeo.com/36139526) - you can see it at timeline 02:00.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 08:07:01 pm
There's some Mega City One chase stuff in this:


http://vimeo.com/36605186


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 11 February, 2012, 08:15:36 pm
Good find!!

Like the judges outside that building!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 11 February, 2012, 08:17:27 pm
Joes link has more!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 08:18:05 pm
Good spot, Joe Soap.

From it all, it looks great!
So it wasn't leaked or something, that guy was used it for his FX Showreel, even the film not out yet! Silly mistake! BUT how would that Spanish fan site found it?? 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 08:19:34 pm
BOYYYY!!!! Doin It!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 08:21:29 pm
Get on that 'Smog' filled 'Ped Way'
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 08:22:16 pm
Get on that 'Smog' filled 'Ped Way'
BOYYYY!!!! Doin It!

What?  :-*
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 08:31:05 pm
F##K me!!! Underpass. Oversked!!! GONNA BE THE BOLLOCKS!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 08:42:34 pm
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7310/medcentre.jpg)


(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8766/standi.jpg)


(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7182/shotee.jpg)


(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/3374/skedway.jpg)


(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/9867/chaseo.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 11 February, 2012, 08:44:18 pm
Great find Joe, what a Saturday night treat!  Lawmaster in action! The judges look great en masse, and that chase sequence looks like its going to be good.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 February, 2012, 08:51:53 pm
There's some Mega City One chase stuff in this:


http://vimeo.com/36605186

Its so near future it could be next Tuesday, but yeah looking good none the less. Interesting choice of music - prophetic?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: A.Cow on 11 February, 2012, 08:55:29 pm
'Baby Dredd'. Lol. Diane Lane looks good in Lycra though. Word! lol.

Mmmmm..... H-e-r-s-h-e-y...... L-y-c-r-a......
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 11 February, 2012, 09:01:24 pm
Subtle CGI,i like it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 February, 2012, 09:02:00 pm
I really wouldn't want to be in that guy's shoes...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:03:02 pm
I expect the video will be withdrawn soon, I know the 'stills' showreel was.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 11 February, 2012, 09:06:04 pm
Are these officially released publicity images?

If not the images should be in spoiler tags, please.  Some of us like surprises at the cinema.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 11 February, 2012, 09:08:46 pm
Are these officially released publicity images?

If not the images should be in spoiler tags, please.  Some of us like surprises at the cinema.

I know nothing about the film other than a really rough idea of the plot..how you can glean anything from those shots is beyond me?!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 February, 2012, 09:09:23 pm
No, they're images from a compositor's showreel who has broken a cardinal rule and put their work up for an unreleased film.

There's nothing particularly spoiler-y apart from the first one.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 09:10:02 pm
Are these officially released publicity images?

If not the images should be in spoiler tags, please.  Some of us like surprises at the cinema.

You cant cover the images with spoiler tags. If you dont like, dont look at this thread.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:10:08 pm
I wouldn't consider the images any more as spoilers than the other pictures released. Nothing since the Empire pictures have been official. Story details are spoilers. These still grabs don't really give much of a hint to the plot.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 February, 2012, 09:16:59 pm
I've just found the official teaser poster  :o

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/P1290569.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 11 February, 2012, 09:19:11 pm
Are these officially released publicity images?

If not the images should be in spoiler tags, please.  Some of us like surprises at the cinema.

You cant cover the images with spoiler tags. If you dont like, dont look at this thread.

Telling someone not to look at a thread isn't a valid argument against spoilers.  Spoilers are bad netiquette, if a thread is FOR spoilers the title should say so, that way people can avoid the thread, and spoilers.

I wouldn't consider the images any more as spoilers than the other pictures released. Nothing since the Empire pictures have been official. Story details are spoilers. These still grabs don't really give much of a hint to the plot.

Images are spoilers.  Showing what anything looks like when someone else doesn't know is showing them film content that they should first see in the cinema. Hence it could spoil the effect of the images on screen.

No, they're images from a compositor's showreel who has broken a cardinal rule and put their work up for an unreleased film.

There's nothing particularly spoiler-y apart from the first one.

Potentially ruining their career... silly person.

I've just found the official teaser poster  :o


LMAO - Did Mrs CF take that...?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: clavell on 11 February, 2012, 09:21:03 pm
There's not really any spoiler material in the showreel clips - which are SO GOOD - except the headshot one, but that's not really giving anything away.

- C
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 11 February, 2012, 09:22:08 pm
LMAO - Did Mrs CF take that...?

Yes I forced her to do it  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:23:38 pm

I wouldn't consider the images any more as spoilers than the other pictures released. Nothing since the Empire pictures have been official. Story details are spoilers. These still grabs don't really give much of a hint to the plot.

Images are spoilers.  Showing what anything looks like when someone else doesn't know is showing them film content that they should first see in the cinema. Hence it could spoil the effect of the images on screen.



Well then you really shouldn't look at this thread or any promotional material/press photography of any scenes, which you've all ready seen, cos this is where images -not script details- will be and have been presented. I don't believe anything I've posted has had any character/plot spoilers.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:25:38 pm
The Bat King surely can't see too well anyway?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:27:53 pm
I've just found the official teaser poster  :o



We all know Dredd doesn't shower, he bathes



(http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr83/monkeyrobot01/Joe%20Dredd%20at%20Tumblr/0626-JimBaikie-IntheBath.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 09:28:22 pm
The Bat King surely can't see too well anyway?

Good material for my SillyWorld!  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 11 February, 2012, 09:30:19 pm

I wouldn't consider the images any more as spoilers than the other pictures released. Nothing since the Empire pictures have been official. Story details are spoilers. These still grabs don't really give much of a hint to the plot.

Images are spoilers.  Showing what anything looks like when someone else doesn't know is showing them film content that they should first see in the cinema. Hence it could spoil the effect of the images on screen.



Well then you really shouldn't look at this thread or any promotional material/press photography of any scenes, which you've all ready seen, cos this is where images -not script details- will be and have been presented. I don't believe anything I've posted has had any character/plot spoilers.

Promotional material is a minor issue, I do indeed avoid a lot of that. But sharing official images is only sharing what someone might ordinarily come across, for example in WHSmiths or at the sceening of another film.


The Bat King surely can't see too well anyway?

Digitally enhanced visual display unit.  It makes things much clearer.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 11 February, 2012, 09:32:08 pm
I do believe you are wrong Joe.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff200/vzzbuxblx/face010a.jpg)




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 11 February, 2012, 09:34:38 pm
I've just found the official teaser poster  :o
Image snipped for my sanity.

OH MY EYES! MY FUCKING EYES!

Cheers, CF, but some of us do have to sleep tonight you know! And no, we DO NOT want to see the rest of that particular series, however many she took. Oh Grud, has anyone got any bleach I can rub into my eyes?

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 11 February, 2012, 09:34:49 pm
Don't encourage CF to recreate that strip...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 11 February, 2012, 09:40:27 pm
Don't encourage CF to recreate that strip...

CF..taking cosplay to a whole new level..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:43:50 pm
Promotional material is a minor issue, I do indeed avoid a lot of that. But sharing official images is only sharing what someone might ordinarily come across, for example in WHSmiths or at the sceening of another film.

Cluthing at straws.

You're not convincing me that I've posted anything that would spoil the film in accordance within the degrees of promotional material. If you can glean the content of what's going on in those images, you've a talent that is needed elsewhere. This thread has over 60 pages discussing this stuff, it's a bit late in the day for complaining.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 09:51:41 pm
I do believe you are wrong Joe.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff200/vzzbuxblx/face010a.jpg)



Sorry Vizzy but we all know that's a non-Wagner Dredd (Alan Grant -The ballad of Devil Angel) therefore is non-canonical.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 10:12:27 pm
So F##Kin GAY!! . Think Dredd would  rather be bummed than be the 'Bum' ed.IMO.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 10:14:02 pm
So F##Kin GAY!!


No you are.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 10:16:46 pm
True Dat! I'm cool with it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 10:18:40 pm
The resident tea-bagger will be round later to chastise you.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 10:22:12 pm
Who be the 'Tea bagger'? And how the flip u know wat 'T baggin' B!!! Lol ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 February, 2012, 10:24:12 pm
More sexy Mega-City footage! Hubba, hubba!

And no, that wasn't directed at you Burdis!  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 February, 2012, 10:24:27 pm
Who be the 'Tea bagger'? And how the flip u know wat 'T baggin' B!!! Lol ;)

Eh? What drug are you on?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 February, 2012, 10:25:37 pm
Who be the 'Tea bagger'? And how the flip u know wat 'T baggin' B!!! Lol ;)
:lol:
That blokes a nutter.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 10:31:44 pm
Gin+ Juice and high grade weed!! The stuff u get from Moss Side. Claremont Rd. Brapp, Brapp. Lol. x
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 11 February, 2012, 10:34:37 pm
Gin+ Juice and high grade weed!! The stuff u get from Moss Side. Claremont Rd. Brapp, Brapp. Lol. x
:lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 11 February, 2012, 10:37:29 pm
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Brapp, Brapp

That is a bad case of wind you have there.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 11 February, 2012, 10:46:00 pm
It B the stuff! High Grade! Offa  my mate CoCo. I'm Rick James Bitch!!! Lol
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:02:07 pm
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That's just the sort of OTT, tongue placed firmly in cheek, Dredd/Mega City One we all know and love. It seems the film is staying close to the spirit of the comic.

Hard to say. From what I've seen/heard, it looks like the humour will be blacker and less whimsical than the comics - more Verhoeven than Wagner. There definitely is humour in the script, despite what many people say - but it's very dry and perhaps doesn't read that funny on the page - there's one or two scenes that should get a big laugh in the cinema provided they're handled well. I should stress again that I've only read the first 12 or so pages of the script so I'm speculating.

Dredd's dialogue - what I read of it - is spot on Wagner though; gruff, terse, cynical - note perfect. He sure as shit ain't gonna be getting all teared up in the locker room about his poor old bro - "I judged him"....

I see what you mean looking at these latest leaks, mean as hell and looking short on humour. Must say, you expect some gallows humour with Dredd.

I hope no heads will roll over these exclusives because it's wetting my appetite for the film. Don't know what people are complaining about, these little tidbits don't give much away, if anything they're making us more uncertain what to expect.

Bigjobs, I think Roger's the teabagger.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:06:57 pm
Bigjobs, I think Roger's the teabagger.


Rog may like a good face-brew now'n then but he's not the tea-bagger, different context.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:08:44 pm
Thanks Joe, I wouldn't know anyway. :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 11 February, 2012, 11:16:29 pm
A huge part of me says I should be disappointed the vehicles look twenty years old for a story that's supposedly set in the near-future but it really is evoking the first Mad Max/Escape From New York for me and it all works in my head when I think about it. Great stuff. Going to be a real interesting take on Dredd. Might be too stripped-down for the die-hard fans.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:25:09 pm
Who knows? We haven't seen enough to make any final "judgements". It looks like it may be a film that could capture the current zietgeist.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 11 February, 2012, 11:25:51 pm
A huge part of me says I should be disappointed the vehicles look twenty years old for a story that's supposedly set in the near-future but it really is evoking the first Mad Max/Escape From New York for me and it all works in my head when I think about it. Great stuff. Going to be a real interesting take on Dredd. Might be too stripped-down for the die-hard fans.

Well I consider myself a die-hard fan and what I've seen so far looks fookin' great!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:29:30 pm
Once justice is being done any misgivings will soon be washed away. It looks future and utilitarian enough  for me.

On a side note, the 1981 novelisation of Escape from New York has a bit of backstory that's very reminiscent of the Judges and their takeover. In it the USPF (United States Police Force) assume control of America after economic collapse and WWIII. With so much crime and little money, the country didn't have the machinery to deal with a legal system. There are no more trials and they have the power of Judge, Jury & Executioner.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:32:17 pm
Does this make them fascists?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:34:35 pm
They still have elections but when did that ever matter.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 11 February, 2012, 11:44:06 pm
Just to be clear: I'm not bagging on anything we've seen so far. Apologies if that's how my post read. On the contrary, I love the choices they've made so far. Seeing a glimpse of the lawmaster in that chase clip gave me goosebumps. Very excited to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mister Pops on 11 February, 2012, 11:46:47 pm
Could be a spoiler in that .GIF

Isn't the Death sentence mainly reserved for Judge killers? The summary execution shown could be that sentence being carried out. Is yer man a Judge killer?

It depends on how faithful they're being to the Dreddverse legal system.

Regardless, it looks pretty sweet, the most exciting titbit I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:48:15 pm
Don't worry, only another 7 months to wait blackmocco then all our doubts will be gone...erm.. are we gonna see any aliens or spacecraft in the film? What about droids?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:49:51 pm
Nope, why would the complicate it aliens?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:50:46 pm
At least the Lawmasters can turn corners this time.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:51:33 pm
Post above should read: Nope, why would they complicate it with aliens?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:51:48 pm
No aliens? no droids? c'mon this is Dredd. There must at least be some mutants in it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:52:42 pm
It depends on how faithful they're being to the Dreddverse legal system.



If they aren't what would be the point?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 11 February, 2012, 11:52:51 pm
Don't worry, only another 7 months to wait blackmocco then all our doubts will be gone...erm.. are we gonna see any aliens or spacecraft in the film? What about droids?

They're saving that for the sequel ;-)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 11 February, 2012, 11:53:20 pm
No aliens? no droids? c'mon this is Dredd. There must at least be some mutants in it?

Anderson is a mutant in the movie.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 11 February, 2012, 11:54:51 pm
Could be a spoiler in that .GIF

Isn't the Death sentence mainly reserved for Judge killers? The summary execution shown could be that sentence being carried out. Is yer man a Judge killer?

It depends on how faithful they're being to the Dreddverse legal system.

Regardless, it looks pretty sweet, the most exciting titbit I've seen so far.

I think these are rogue Judges, so they are acting above whatever law is in place in the movie setting.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2012, 11:54:53 pm
No aliens? no droids? c'mon this is Dredd. There must at least be some mutants in it?


This film isn't about those things. They aren't making that type of Dredd. It's exclusively about the job. The Cursed Earth is mentioned but not delved into. Anderson is a mutant if you like.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 11 February, 2012, 11:58:31 pm

Anderson is a mutant in the movie.
That don't count!  :lol: I meant some real freaks. like Roger.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 February, 2012, 01:53:04 am
As long as it feels like Dredd, I don't really care if we're looking at a film that could be set in the 2100s, or 2030, or, like Children of Men, a brutal near future. It's an adaptation of Dredd. On those shots, MC-1 looks horrible—an absolute shit-hole. There's a real 'on the brink' vibe coming off the snippets we've seen, which I'm really intrigued to see as a film. That certainly beats the ’90s gloss of the last one.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: PreacherCain on 12 February, 2012, 02:01:19 am
More footage on Bleeding Cool, including some audio (and terrible music)!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/11/more-dredd-footage-shows-fx-beforeandafter (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/11/more-dredd-footage-shows-fx-beforeandafter)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 02:09:33 am
More footage on Bleeding Cool, including some audio (and terrible music)!




This has all ready been posted from the original FX showreel. You're linking to a Scojo version there.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 12 February, 2012, 02:18:57 am
No aliens? no droids? c'mon this is Dredd. There must at least be some mutants in it?


This film isn't about those things. They aren't making that type of Dredd. It's exclusively about the job. The Cursed Earth is mentioned but not delved into. Anderson is a mutant if you like.

Quite so. We don't need a film about mutants and aliens. Most Dredd stories aren't about either. A Judge and a few perps is a better way to go.

No Dark Judges required either.

Sequels can give us those things if this film brings in enough.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 12 February, 2012, 03:07:02 am
What an interesting few days its been, can't believe the amount of stuff slipping through, beginning to think that the September release is too far away. I suspected it was going to be near future and to be honest, it worls for me, going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be. Anyway, it's looking good so far.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2012, 03:08:41 am
It is a shotty of sorts..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 03:34:30 am
going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be.


It's 3 seconds of one shot.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2012, 03:38:35 am
going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be.


It's 3 seconds of one shot.

Well, if you believe some people that's enough to prove that the film's shit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 12 February, 2012, 03:51:38 am
The aintitcoolnews brigade are on top form with this footage, as usual. Arseholes.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 February, 2012, 04:29:21 am
As long as it feels like Dredd, I don't really care if we're looking at a film that could be set in the 2100s, or 2030, or, like Children of Men, a brutal near future. It's an adaptation of Dredd. On those shots, MC-1 looks horrible—an absolute shit-hole. There's a real 'on the brink' vibe coming off the snippets we've seen, which I'm really intrigued to see as a film. That certainly beats the ’90s gloss of the last one.

Too right, I do love that Children of Men comparison (one of the finest and most original recent sci-fi outings), didn't someone on here mention a while back about knowing some guy who did matte work on Dredd, and they described what they saw of the film as "RoboCop meets Children of Men", or something similar, which certainly bears out in the leaked footage (somewhere, an IM Global and/or Lionsgate official is going ABSOLUTELY BALLISTIC) we've seen thus far... one thing though, where's the Lawmaster in that chase shot, it must be me, I can't quite make it out :-[ !?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 12 February, 2012, 04:36:34 am
You can't see anything of it, just a brief shape turning into the alley behind the van...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 February, 2012, 04:40:16 am
Yup, there it is, gotcha... and I think the footage of the multiple Judges walking through an entrance is the corrupt Judges arriving at the Peach Trees Block, could be wrong though...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2012, 04:42:55 am
somewhere, an IM Global and/or Lionsgate official is going ABSOLUTELY BALLISTIC)

Yeah..  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 12 February, 2012, 04:53:41 am
The aintitcoolnews brigade are on top form with this footage, as usual. Arseholes.

Nothing out of the ordinary there then!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 07:57:36 am
That's true. I'll just have to resolve myself to not seeing "The Stupid Gun" in this version of Dredd.
 So apart from weaponry and uniform, and Anderson's psi powers, what other science fiction elements can we expect?
I mean, finding out someone's full identity details and movements via technology is no longer the stuff of SF writers imaginations is it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 12 February, 2012, 08:04:36 am
going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be.


It's 3 seconds of one shot.

Well, if you believe some people that's enough to prove that the film's shit.
My point would be depending if they are going for a heavily populated city and space is at a premium, the skyline would be thick and obscured with buildings. I'd imagine there would be little or sky to see.
Look Soap, everyone is analysing the shots to see where the film is going and obviously still very early in terms of FX and maybe the movie makers take on Mega City One is different to what I'm expecting. (I've avoided reading the script).
Sady Michael, that's from what I'm picking up from other news sites not helped by our so called
"Dredd fan :p" spreading his hate campaign and fuelling the negativity.
The real fans and myself here are now 100% behind the movie, there maybe some minor niggles from some  but the majority are generally behind it. It's however the people who don't or barely know the Dredd property are the danger. Their negativity is being driven from the so called "Dredd fans" repersenting us and validating their opinions that the movie is shit straight up.
I think the van/bike scene is very Batman Begins to me for some reason but that's just me, the style or something, can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 12 February, 2012, 08:16:54 am
going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be.


It's 3 seconds of one shot.

Well, if you believe some people that's enough to prove that the film's shit.

I was going to comment on this exchange- but I see SneakeeX has beaten me to it. Joe- you are so bloody spikey about any and all perceived criticism, it's becoming annoying. Even if SneakeeX had inferred some criticism in his post, rather than merely mentioning it as a valid point- why do you feel the need to immediately jump in with one of your one line putdowns? Some people aren't going to like what they see here. I don't. I think the whole thing- from the leaked script to the uniforms, to the tone we're seeing in these clips, to the 70s Starskey & Hutch vibe of that car chase looks absolutely crap. And I can't believe you're forcing me to make that obvious- I'd long ago decided not to put any criticism on this thread, preferring instead to just not go to see the bloody thing, and wait til it's three quid in a bargain bin. But there you go- this is as far removed from any Dredd I recognise or like as to look like it might as well be an Asylum knock off.

So now you can direct your ire at me, rather than people who just pop up with reasonable observations based on their perception of the clips, and don't meet your high standard of film theory and production knowledge.

And that's my last fucking post in this thread, and my last word on a movie I doubt I'll ever see.

SBT
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Devons Daddy on 12 February, 2012, 08:22:04 am
BOARD this is when we must stand united.
POSITIVE COMMENTS, PUSHING ON EVERY SOCAIL MEDIA SITE.

we need to support the team here, if we can offer a small groundswell of positive attitude to this OUR MOVIE!!(as we are with Judge Minty) then that can only help it be a success.

we have such a scope between us.If we push it can grow and 2000ad,Rebellion and the team whom have entertained us for so many years will reap their rewards and we will be secure for another 35 years.

my stand. THIS IS A MEGA-NIFCENT MOVIE.
on every site i play, i will say so.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 February, 2012, 08:30:21 am
I gotta say I feel a little disappointed the Mega-City One skyline isn't filled with high-rise blocks, there seems to be an awful lot of empty sky there for an overpopulated futuristic metropolis :-\... holding out hope that's not a finished shot, but if it is, that's one thing I could nitpick compared to everything else we've seen so far that's absolutely bang-on, it'll all look amazing in high-definition regardless, though... and I agree, LET'S STAY POSITIVE people, we can exchange individual opinions and POV's, but let's not bash what a lot of people have worked darn hard to create before we see the final product, all together now - :D - that's better!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 12 February, 2012, 08:43:54 am
going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be.


It's 3 seconds of one shot.

Well, if you believe some people that's enough to prove that the film's shit.

I was going to comment on this exchange- but I see SneakeeX has beaten me to it. Joe- you are so bloody spikey about any and all perceived criticism, it's becoming annoying. Even if SneakeeX had inferred some criticism in his post, rather than merely mentioning it as a valid point- why do you feel the need to immediately jump in with one of your one line putdowns? Some people aren't going to like what they see here. I don't. I think the whole thing- from the leaked script to the uniforms, to the tone we're seeing in these clips, to the 70s Starskey & Hutch vibe of that car chase looks absolutely crap. And I can't believe you're forcing me to make that obvious- I'd long ago decided not to put any criticism on this thread, preferring instead to just not go to see the bloody thing, and wait til it's three quid in a bargain bin. But there you go- this is as far removed from any Dredd I recognise or like as to look like it might as well be an Asylum knock off.

So now you can direct your ire at me, rather than people who just pop up with reasonable observations based on their perception of the clips, and don't meet your high standard of film theory and production knowledge.

And that's my last fucking post in this thread, and my last word on a movie I doubt I'll ever see.

SBT

I mean no offence when I say this SBT

But talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

I just can't get my head round the fact that anyone who has a close affiliation with Dredd like every one of us on this board obviously does..would not be 100% behind this movie..or for that matter..anything 2000ad related/endorsed

I find it frankly mind boggling that you don't put your weight of support behind it..so what if it's not your vision of Dredd..you're that way off missing the point it's shocking
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 12 February, 2012, 08:54:40 am
Blimey, I've just been to aintitcool, what a bunch of clever people they are! To know so much about a film from 27 seconds of unfinished footage is amazing!

I stupidly then went to land of he-who-shall-not-be-named who, last night had a 'nerdgasm' over the footage, but this morning has posted THREE threads and 11 posts about how shit the film will be and how unfair the world is because Dredd is chasing a van.

Why do I do this to myself?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DrJomster on 12 February, 2012, 09:20:56 am
Why do I do this to myself?

To make us smile? :)

Am SO going to see this film, btw. Surprise, eh?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Waltev on 12 February, 2012, 09:23:14 am
I stupidly then went to land of he-who-shall-not-be-named who, last night had a 'nerdgasm' over the footage,

What land might that be - I'm in the mood for some amusement...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: DKCX on 12 February, 2012, 09:43:39 am
Blimey, I've just been to aintitcool, what a bunch of clever people they are! To know so much about a film from 27 seconds of unfinished footage is amazing!

I stupidly then went to land of he-who-shall-not-be-named who, last night had a 'nerdgasm' over the footage, but this morning has posted THREE threads and 11 posts about how shit the film will be and how unfair the world is because Dredd is chasing a van.

Why do I do this to myself?
Sadomasochism I belive is the term.....  :lol:
going by the chase footage, the skyline is'nt as crowded with grim slum blocks as I thought it would be.


It's 3 seconds of one shot.

Well, if you believe some people that's enough to prove that the film's shit.

I was going to comment on this exchange- but I see SneakeeX has beaten me to it. Joe- you are so bloody spikey about any and all perceived criticism, it's becoming annoying. Even if SneakeeX had inferred some criticism in his post, rather than merely mentioning it as a valid point- why do you feel the need to immediately jump in with one of your one line putdowns? Some people aren't going to like what they see here. I don't. I think the whole thing- from the leaked script to the uniforms, to the tone we're seeing in these clips, to the 70s Starskey & Hutch vibe of that car chase looks absolutely crap. And I can't believe you're forcing me to make that obvious- I'd long ago decided not to put any criticism on this thread, preferring instead to just not go to see the bloody thing, and wait til it's three quid in a bargain bin. But there you go- this is as far removed from any Dredd I recognise or like as to look like it might as well be an Asylum knock off.

So now you can direct your ire at me, rather than people who just pop up with reasonable observations based on their perception of the clips, and don't meet your high standard of film theory and production knowledge.

And that's my last fucking post in this thread, and my last word on a movie I doubt I'll ever see.

SBT
While I wouldn't support SBT's view completely, this is forum for open discussion and including critism of the movie. I believe what I said was more observation related rather than critical and was pretty valid.
Look at the end of the day, this is what makes the forum here great is everyone's opinion is respected as long as its backed up with reason. This movie may not be to everyone's liking.
I think the fan reaction has been very positive, it's the general public that has me really worried.  :-\

Just in a barely related note regarding Armande Assante who presented an IFTA award last night.

[urlhttp://www.irishfilmboard.ie/irish_film_industry/news/?id=1855][/url]
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Presenting another top IFTA at the 2012 Awards is four-time Golden Globe nominated and Primetime Emmy winning actor Armand Assante, who is known for his portrayal of a chilling mafia don in the 1996 classic Gotti; his starring turn in sci-fi feature film Judge Dredd alongside Sly Stallone; and his performance in Ridley Scott's award winning crime feature American Gangster.  Assante is an Irish/American actor whose late mother's family came from Co. Cork. Speaking about his visit to Ireland Armand said

"My Mother's family hails from County Cork and she came from a large family that mostly still reside in New York. The fact that she just passed away just a few months ago at 90 makes this trip to Ireland very personal for me, in fact I am wondering if she arranged for me to be there, as she absolutely was mad for Ireland and had very deep and lasting relationships with her friends from there."


Didn't realise his half Cork boi! He's a pure feen yu kno! Thas Cork speak like if youre wunderin'.   :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 12 February, 2012, 09:50:42 am
Here you go Waltev, prepare to be bemused:

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics?hl=en (https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics?hl=en)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 12 February, 2012, 09:56:10 am
At least twatto is right about one thing. He does need a life.




V
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 10:23:34 am
I don't have a problem with the night-time shots, but from what I've seen the daytime lawmaster chase is a missed opportunity IMHO.

I've skimmed the script, and that sounded grander in scale than what's depicted here.

I wasn't expecting anything even close to the comic Megacity, but sticking a couple of high-rises in the background with plenty of sky visible isn't really selling the overcrowded warzone look.

It needs a couple more layers of flyovers, and hardly any sky.

I'm guessing they didn't have the choice to shoot it at night either? Even that would have made a big difference.

Still, the judges en-masse look pretty good.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 10:24:55 am

So now you can direct your ire at me, rather than people who just pop up with reasonable observations based on their perception of the clips, and don't meet your high standard of film theory and production knowledge.

I was merely pointing out that it's one shot: It's 3 seconds of one shot. One shot that's unfinished.

I think my observation is reasonable when looking at something that's not intended for the general public or even finished to any degree, this has clearly been pointed out before, nothing's official.


And that's my last fucking post in this thread, and my last word on a movie I doubt I'll ever see.

There's more ire in that statement than even I could muster for anyone. I don't really see the point in letting us all know how you don't post on a thread for a film you think is crap and clearly have every intention of hating and then tell us how you're running away in a huff about it. Not that I can't say it's nice knowing how you really feel about it but you can come back.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 12 February, 2012, 10:31:16 am
Looks to me like just the start of the chase scene. Bet it rocks once it gets goin. keep sayin this but lovin that whole gritty Verhoeven 8O's vibe which I'm hope runs through the whole film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Darren Stephens on 12 February, 2012, 11:04:24 am
Looks to me like just the start of the chase scene. Bet it rocks once it gets goin. keep sayin this but lovin that whole gritty Verhoeven 8O's vibe which I'm hope runs through the whole film.
Yessirree!  :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 12 February, 2012, 11:08:35 am
True Dat!!! Lol.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 12 February, 2012, 11:22:02 am
It's not surprising that Joe Soap and SBT would have vastly different opinions on the film, since they are probably two of our most knowledgeable and sophisticated cineastes.  But it would be unfortunate if either took umbrage at the other's contributions.  I don't see anything unreasonable in Joe's measured observations on the tiny amount of footage and imagery we have to date (I also have no doubt that if the film fails to deliver Joe will rip the guts out of it), and I don't see anything unreasonable in Steev's instant dislike of the style and tone that the material seen so far conveys.

My only real interest in a film adaptation is how it plays into the fortunes of Rebellion and 2000AD - as a reader I care about the comic's future a lot , it turns out, but as a viewer a Dredd film is just (hopefully) a bit of fun.

Anyway, on the subject of citi-blocks, the visibly high density of MC-1 had never squared with its vast area (even when trimmed of the southern sectors, as many a Space Maths thread has attested.  If you're going to have huge self-contained blocks, they are going to be well spaced, or clustered with lots of space between clusters.  I'd imagine that space would largely be filled with low-rise urban wasteland (where not used for necessary support services and industry) - a concreted-over New York doesn't make any sense either. 

So if you are going the 'realistic' route, as this adaptation clearly is, a truly crazy packed skyline would mean a much smaller Tokyo/Manhattan/Hong Kong MC-1.  A grim sprawl interspersed with towering residential blocks to accommodate the influx and increase of the post-apocalyptic population makes good visual sense (and it looks like Cam Kennedy's city to me too, so that gets three thumbs up here).  It also allows the movie exteriors to be shot in real-world locations with lightly composited background, which is what makes it feasible at all.

That isn't to say that I wouldn't much rather see a zany high-tech illogical alien-rich MC-1, but that clearly wasn't going to happen - the Stallone abomination was what happened when they employed a budget that would allow something close to that, and I wouldn't personally be troubling the box office if that was what was coming.   
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 12 February, 2012, 11:25:32 am
Got to say it is a shame to see people actually arguing on the board. People's opinions differ, that is a simple fact of life. Sine 2000ad fans wI'll love this film and some won't.

Given the Stallone debacle I can't blame anyone for feeling nervous about this one.

I am nervous, but nervous excited. Station's film didn't,t do that for me. I didn't like the publicity & I didn't go see it. When I watched it on tv I gave it every chance, watched open minded. It stank (as a Dredd film). Some people like that film, some big Dredd fans.

My friends are enjoying ribbing me about the upcoming film. Saying everything they know wI'll get a reaction. I can shout n Abel n sulk with my friends because we have been friends so long. We don't only have text to go by when reacting to what someone has said. I will have to ensure if they go to the cinema with me that one of them isn't next to me or he'll pass comment under his breath just to annoy me.

But that is friends. People I know from years of shared lifetime experience. People my kids see as family, they are closer to one than they are to my brother.

This is a forum of people that like the sane comic. We don't all know each other, though some if you do obviously know some better than others and sine have met up (it seems in some cases many times). This should be a place for sharing enjoyment, not breeding discord.

And I am sick of hearing about someone not in thud board and how it is great he isn't here. Seems he has won if he gets so much inchage in print.

Anyway. I am nervously positive about this film. I will be at first showing locally if possible. I think I would rather see 2d first, nit bug in 3d now I have seen a few. Probably it wI'll only be in 3d on day one, that is what my local cinema usually do. Either way, day one I plan to be there and I hope to come out having enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 12 February, 2012, 11:33:07 am
 I'm gonna go all out.IMAX. Manchester. Slap bang in the middle but right @ the back in those posh seats. A little bit pissed and a little bit high and yeah, in 3D. (Not a big fan but It's filmed in it, soooo). :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 11:36:26 am
As long as it feels like Dredd, I don't really care if we're looking at a film that could be set in the 2100s, or 2030, or, like Children of Men, a brutal near future. It's an adaptation of Dredd. On those shots, MC-1 looks horrible—an absolute shit-hole. There's a real 'on the brink' vibe coming off the snippets we've seen, which I'm really intrigued to see as a film. That certainly beats the ’90s gloss of the last one.

My perception of Mega-City One has always been of a gargantuan insane asylum run by lunatics. A place exotic and dangerous as a tropical rainforest. This looks, so far, more like 1984, with a subdued terrorized population living in a squalid enviroment being ruled over by government thugs.

As Joe has pointed out already, and I'll reiterate, it's 3 seconds of one shot. Not much to make judgements on. Even so, it seems to be a film that's coming out of Bagdhad or Afghanistan, and it fits with the current economic disaster as well. So if the film makers are trying to tap into this it looks like they have succeeded.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 12 February, 2012, 11:46:10 am
I'm gonna go all out.IMAX. Manchester. Slap bang in the middle but right @ the back in those posh seats. A little bit pissed and a little bit high and yeah, in 3D. (Not a big fan but It's filmed in it, soooo). :thumbsup:

I hadn't even considered our local Imax might be showing it...

Now I gotta wait to find out!!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 12 February, 2012, 11:52:42 am
Not entirely sure it'll been shown on the one in Manchester? But if it is, that's how I'm gonna see it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 12:05:03 pm
You can see 3D in I-MAX ? I thought it was one or the other?
Myself  2D at the digital screen in Mannys Filmworks,won't be pissed though ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 12 February, 2012, 12:11:21 pm
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 12:12:01 pm
No, you can have both, but IMAX is a bit of vague term anyway.

A lot of IMAX showings are just blown up to fill the screen, not filmed in IMAX. Exceptions to this are segments of The Dark Knight and Mission Impossible : Ghost Protocol

Dredd wasn't filmed in IMAX, so it will just be a larger screen.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 12:14:46 pm
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM

No.

We've seen stills of Justice Dept vans, and they're contemporary.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 12:20:30 pm
Got to say it is a shame to see people actually arguing on the board.


Don't think anyone was really arguing, SBT (a man I have never had anything against or dislike -apart from his SW prequel love- and still respect) seemed more to be off-loading some film hate since most of his post was directed at it rather than attacking me, whom seemed merely a pretextual opener to said rant. I just thought it was funny that he ran off in a huff with such zeal all the while telling us he was doing so. He likes a show.


I really don't think it's a bad thing to point out now and again, simply, that we aren't looking at even finished shots or even full sequences let alone scenes.


As to the look of the film if you really want to rationalise their direction:

If there was a large THERMONUCLEAR WAR things may well look this way in a very best case scenario. With half the world a nuclear wasteland, resources would be limited and hard to find, production/manufacturing would be utilitarian, regulated with a high incidence of re-using old tech/old factories. A war like that could easily set a resource strangled city-state/world back a century, especially when the remains of the US are packed into a handful of over-populated city-states on the brink of chaos. That's why it needs to be run by the Judges.

There wasn't a whole heap of mass, advanced tech-innovation/manufacturing between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Industrial Revolution and certainly not of the exponential degree since the discovery of oil. THERMONUCLEAR WAR could set the world back to a new middle-ages -which is what Dredd's world basically is- a world of walled/protected city-states ruled by an elite and very reminiscient of how cities were constructed/governed in the middle-ages.


(I also have no doubt that if the film fails to deliver Joe will rip the guts out of it)

Those knives are being beveled as we speak.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 12:26:17 pm
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM


As you can see in the T-S clip the bikes have FX/green tracking markers. There's nothing like that -at least visible- in the Dredd shots.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 12 February, 2012, 12:31:40 pm
Hmm...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 12:32:12 pm
No, you can have both, but IMAX is a bit of vague term anyway.

A lot of IMAX showings are just blown up to fill the screen, not filmed in IMAX. Exceptions to this are segments of The Dark Knight and Mission Impossible : Ghost Protocol

Dredd wasn't filmed in IMAX, so it will just be a larger screen.
Ah,never knew that. Still going for the 2D though I think, imax almost square which i can't stand and 3D gives me a headache.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 12:50:06 pm
It depends on what's being shown - the main IMAX screens are square(ish) but unless the film has space to fill that, they'll usually show non-IMAX with space at the top and bottom.

I'm pretty sure the chain-IMAX screens are roughly 16:9 and they letterbox 2:35:1 films.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 01:10:45 pm
TBH the IMAX screen at Manchesters filmworks didn't seem any larger than the digi screen when I watched Batman and Watchmen and I'm that age where i can be arsed going up 3 sets of stairs even if they are escalators.

2D with a bucket of Ben n Jerrys chocolate macadamia and I'm a happy bunny.

I will say though this is one of the few exceptions where I'm willing to see it twice in one day,IF it washes the Stallone stench from my Dredd memory banks.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 12 February, 2012, 02:02:25 pm
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM

No.

We've seen stills of Justice Dept vans, and they're contemporary.

They were different again to that white van, though weren't they? I.e. they were contemporary, but I could just about buy them in a near future scenario, although a bit of add on stuff would help. They're suitably shiny and utilitarian and fit law-enforcement very well.

I'm largely optimistic about this film. I like the judge uniforms, and while I'd like to see a city sprawl something like the comics (something the first film actually got right)  I'd accept a grimmer concrete block landscape over the lovely curves and phallic imagery we usually get, although I hope that's not done away with entirely.

That footage of the van chase did take me out of it though. What we're seeing may not be the finished product - and I hope they add more blocks in the background - but that white van looks old even in our time period. I'm not against 20th/21st century vehicles being used in that environment. People still drive older vehicles nowadays, and it makes sense that in a post war scenario (assuming the war is much more recent in the film time period than the comics) they'd utilise resources from the past rather than churning out new technology en masse, but I'd like to see a mixture of both and I think they could have come up with something better than that van. I hope it's just a stand in, although I take Joe's point:

As you can see in the T-S clip the bikes have FX/green tracking markers. There's nothing like that -at least visible- in the Dredd shots.

It could be rehearsal footage that had slipped over the wall, so to speak, rather final footage, but we'll see.

Misgivings aside, I'd like to add: in the end, context is everything. We really don't know how any of it will work until we see the final product. I'm still very much looking forward to that experience.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 02:17:49 pm
Yes, because that's they are the Justice Department, which are supposed to be the high end of the tech available in the near-future world they're going for in their version of Dredd.

Honestly, it is what it is.

People are kidding themselves if they think the van is going to be any different. They would not go to the effort of tracking in Digital Mattes and roto the background for rehearsals.

Shots do change, but all that may change IMO are tweaks to the background.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2012, 02:28:34 pm
I long ago made peace with the fact that this wouldn't be my ideal Dredd movie and it would likely be a fairly loose adaptation of the comic, but even I was a little taken aback at seeing that chase footage. I had assumed the reasoning for setting much of the film in a single location was so that we would only get to see glimpses of the amazing cityscape, and more use would be made of the futuristic setting in any potential (higher budget) sequels, but it looks like it really won't look very sci-fi or fantastical at all. As others have said i was expecting at least another couple of layers of detail. Looks more Beggar City than Mega City.

As for it looking 'cheap', it's too early to tell, but it's fair to say that it most definitely WOULD look cheap had the filmmakers tried to put a literal representation of MC1 up on screen on the budget they had. My hope is that by having modest ambitions of what could be achieved, the finished film will look thoroughly polished and accomplished, and so slick that it will instantly silence the moaners. I still think its going to be a really solid movie.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 02:33:55 pm
It would take more time, work and money to replace/rotoscope the van or any other vehicles for a whole chase scene in post than to just mock-up base futurist versions for the shoot. There'll be variant levels of tech and architecture in this film, a hodge-podge post war setting.


As Steve said: it is what it is. Get used to it. There'll be more FX layers to the shots but the basic look will be of the same tone. I'm hoping it'll be very a atmospheric and consistent look with variant levels of tech and architecture in this film, a hodge-podge post war setting, but it won't be Mo-Pads and flying Weather Stations at least not in this sector of the city.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 12 February, 2012, 02:37:56 pm
If SBT has no interest in this film and has no intention of going to see it, why the ruddy hell is he commenting on this thread and watching half finished footage of it? If I wasn't interested in it I certainly wouldn't be following all these links to catch little glimpses of it.

I like SBT but I get the distinct feeling sometimes that he purposely adopts the most contrary, controversial opinion possible and then revels in the resulting furore. I'm sure he wouldn't agree with me.

I, for one, think the battered, near future look is fantastic. To be honest, there are so many contradictory elements that make very little sense in the comic version that we fans just gloss over, it just couldn't possible be taken seriously on screen. I'm still very excited.

I bet SBT will go see it too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2012, 02:40:57 pm
There's always the chance that things could be pushed a bit more sci fi in any hypothetical sequels. Just look at Batman Begins and The Dark Knight - starkly different films in a visual sense - BB Gotham looks nothing at all like TDK Gotham, but it somehow works.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 02:42:13 pm
Looks like the footage is being pulled.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 02:43:27 pm
Looks like the footage is being pulled.


Not surprised, I hope that bloke just gets a rap on the knuckles.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 02:44:56 pm
The vids are gone but the gifs remain for now.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 02:47:15 pm
Dreddheads remix is still up....lawyers paying him a visit in 3....2....1
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 12 February, 2012, 03:03:57 pm
Got to say the clip with the 'van chase' was immensely disappointing.Having already seen photos of the Justice Dept vehicles and the Lawmaster, I did fear the worse, but adding this old van to the mix too has me worried.This is not 1984, this is meant to be Dredd, we are supposed to see at least some high-tech stuff ,but it feels very lacking at the moment.How can a battered old van out run a Lawmaster, as we know it, unless the terms have changed drastically.
I cant remember the number of sci-fi films I've seen where the vehicles used really add substance and excitement to the film.The vehicles shown so far sadly leave me stone cold.
I also agree with Radiator, hoping to see some glimpses of a high-tech city, for that is looking unlikely as things currently stand.
The uniforms great, cast great, lot of top people on the project and I will see the finished product at least ten times whether it is good or not in the hope of another being made -BUT I really hope there is enough of Dredds world there for it to be worth it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 February, 2012, 03:29:46 pm


Er... how long was that "van chase" footage? Few secs? And some of gives your views of the film based on the unfinished FX footage! Oh take a chill pill.

There no Official yet.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 12 February, 2012, 03:33:29 pm
The van argument... vans haven't  really evolved really.. and wheels are a pretty effective way.of moving around .. although  i don't  think a world that is emerging from a nuclear holocaust the practical easy design.

My only concern is that the footage is quite dark..the 3D will probably make it darker

Also in response to why  the exclusive appearing on a Spanish fan site is probably because they would get a more positive  response than posting it  on here.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 12 February, 2012, 03:38:16 pm
As the shot came from an FX showreel, I think it's likely that what were seeing is the finished product. The background buildings and flyover have been already been added in: if there were going to be more skyscrapers it would make sense to put them in at the same time.

The original photos of the set and Justice Dept vehicles, combined with that 'crappy-old-van' clip, suggest that the art direction is committed to a 'third-world' vibe to the Big Meg. This is not the cluttered and crazily  teeming techno-hive that is described in the comics, ( and that was so well-realised in the opening of the Danny Cannon film ) but it does make sense in terms of a believable Justice Dept: it helps create the sense of a society that is not just a technological frog-leap ahead of ours, so much a society like ours might look as it plunges into a spiral of decay. This is, of course, a deviation from the world of Dredd we love and know but it makes much better sense of the Judge system when you think about it: Desperate times calling for desperate measures and all that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 12 February, 2012, 03:43:20 pm
The cars and vehicles are not going to look futuristic in the sense of Blade runner etc but more like RoboCop which had ordinary looking vehicles despite being set in a Future Detroit. I can live with that.

We're used to the strip being full of fantastical designs like Mo-Pads but these would cost money even if designed using CGI computer only and DR3DD is a mid budget production. 

The Film seems to be set just after the first of the Mega Cities were built so perhaps no mile high skyscrapers either. As always we'll have to wait till something official turns up rather than the digi nuggets we've seen so far.

 
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 03:45:02 pm
So the new film version of Mega City One is going to vary in style from the teeming techno hive from the comics as much as the world of Torquemada in Nemesis Book1 differed from the one in Book9?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 03:47:04 pm
As the shot came from an FX showreel, I think it's likely that what were seeing is the finished product.


No, not really. It's a showreel of one compositor's work and that's all that can be shown. Not the finished image. Other work can be done to it before it reaches us.


Put simply and bluntly: Nowhere in the script is a date given to when it's set, only that the city exists within an irradiated wasteland.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 12 February, 2012, 03:47:22 pm
SBT has been invited to watch the DREDD film on Bluray at my house and hopefully by then there will be a special extended edition of Stallone's version out on Bluray as well. We'll have a double bill of excellence and horror at the same time  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 03:51:39 pm
Also in response to why the exclusive appearing on a Spanish fan site is probably because they would get a more positive response than posting it on here.


It wasn't an exclusive, the Spanish site just nicked it from the showreel which has since been pulled cos it's unofficial.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 03:52:46 pm
We'll have a double bill of excellence and horror at the same time  :thumbsup:[/color]


Don't tell me you'll both be showering your helmets together.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 12 February, 2012, 03:53:46 pm


Er... how long was that "van chase" footage? Few secs? And some of gives your views of the film based on the unfinished FX footage! Oh take a chill pill.

There no Official yet.

Hold on a second there Goaty - it's an old van being chased, a sentence that speaks for itself however long or short said chase may be.
Losing  too much future tech,  would be very disapppointing.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 03:55:02 pm
This has been an apparent feature since the get-go.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 03:56:28 pm
Put simply and bluntly: Nowhere in the script is a date given to when it's set, only that the city exists within an irradiated wasteland.

Hhmm.A barren and infertile wasteland then, is easier to portray than a metropolis. Should've called it The Cursed Earth. ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 03:58:18 pm

Should've called it The Cursed Earth


It's called that too.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 03:58:31 pm
We'll have a double bill of excellence and horror at the same time  :thumbsup:[/color]


Don't tell me you'll both be showering your helmets together.
:lol:
From what I can gather they could do with a wash!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 04:01:14 pm

Losing  too much future tech,  would be very disapppointing.

It might Sherman. But then again, a stripped down version of Dredd could make a welcome change. More action.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 February, 2012, 04:04:14 pm
Personally I am really liking the use of 20th century style vehicles. It feels very Mad Max which I love. And I think it gives it the grim future feel better.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 12 February, 2012, 04:04:26 pm
This has been an apparent feature since the get-go.

Erm No it hasnt.When the other vehicles were critisised on here there were innumerable posts citing that they may just be background vehicles, SFX had to be added etc etc and to just wait.Only now are we getting a better picture.
It can still be a great film and as I said I will see it many times regardless.Nevertheless, I still dearly wish it is recognisable (beyond the uniforms) as Dredds world, but the distinct lack of future tech is currently pointing away from that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 04:24:30 pm
It was apparent to anyone who wasn't deluding themselves and clinging on to a faint hope that there'd be something more futuristic...

The catch wagons were all contemporary, why on earth would they have anything marginally more high-tech elsewhere? Doesn't matter if they were background vehicles or not, they've still got to convincingly sit in the same world as the rest.

The ambulance is more retro, so I can't imagine why people are that surprised that the criminals are driving an old piece of crap as well...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2012, 04:34:08 pm
Yeah, I'd actually forgotten about the ambulance. I remember thinking at the time those pictures leaked that everything looked very late 70s/early 80s - like a retro idea of what the future might be like, going back to the roots of Judge Dredd.

Didn't someone recently say that the first scene in DREDD is almost shot for shot identical to the one from on of the Dirty Harry movies?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 12 February, 2012, 04:35:10 pm
There have been loads of examples of 'old' vehicles in MC-1.
Someone with more get up and go them me could, if they wanted, post an example. I have seen vehivles that look like something from the 1030s in MC-1 in the comic, but as was pointed out earlier, folks seem to have selective amnesia.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 12 February, 2012, 04:35:33 pm
Even though I'm still holding out for something more sci-fi (robots/aliens/spaceships etc) I also like the Verhoevian approach.

If they're still making Robocop they should probably stop now.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 12 February, 2012, 04:37:10 pm
Though I'll settle for mutants in place of aliens.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Noisybast on 12 February, 2012, 04:39:11 pm
If you're hoping to stay relatively unspoiled, don't read the comments on the Ain't It Cool article.
I now know how the movie ends. Bum...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mister Pops on 12 February, 2012, 04:40:04 pm
I don't care, as long as there's tits
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2012, 04:42:52 pm
Don't ever, ever read the comments under any AICN article under any circumstances if you want to keep your faith in humanity intact.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 12 February, 2012, 04:43:11 pm
Aye, what Steve said.

What's interesting for me about this approach is its relationship to the genesis of the strip.  The story we have for its origins is that Dredd was going to be a fairly near-future violent-cop-in-New-York, until Carlos' sweeping cityscape appeared on paper.  So in every way film this is a return to the beginnings of the strip. 

Only problem is, pretty much everyone acknowledges that it was Carlos' fantastical spin that transformed a potentially mundane cop drama into something with enough legs for 35+ years of stories,  2 movie adaptations and sundry toys and games.  But we'll see - I think the footage looks great for what it is, properly gritty, and I'll take a believable Dredd and some real heart over another SFX bonanza any day.  Naturally I'd prefer both, but as Santa always says, wish in one hand, shit in the other: see which one fills up first.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 12 February, 2012, 04:44:25 pm
Don't ever, ever read the comments under any AICN article under any circumstances if you want to keep your faith in humanity intact.

See also: YouTube
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 04:45:01 pm
Don't ever, ever read the comments under any AICN article under any circumstances if you want to keep your faith in humanity intact.

^^^ This ^^^
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 12 February, 2012, 04:48:49 pm
Don't ever, ever read the comments under any AICN article under any circumstances if you want to keep your faith in humanity intact.

See also: YouTube

Indeed. Though Youtube comments are actually useful by comparison. There's a number of times I've found a vid's soundtrack without waiting six months for a reply.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2012, 04:55:19 pm
I personally think that the comments sections on any and all websites should be canned permanently. No good ever seems to come of it, and any rational voices inevitably get drowned out by the losers and loons.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 February, 2012, 04:59:14 pm
Don't ever, ever read the comments under any AICN article under any circumstances if you want to keep your faith in humanity intact.

Coolfan123? That's fucking Scojo! Thank you for ruining anything interesting to the new film, you're a loser!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 12 February, 2012, 05:10:08 pm
It was apparent to anyone who wasn't deluding themselves and clinging on to a faint hope that there'd be something more futuristic...

The catch wagons were all contemporary, why on earth would they have anything marginally more high-tech elsewhere? Doesn't matter if they were background vehicles or not, they've still got to convincingly sit in the same world as the rest.

The ambulance is more retro, so I can't imagine why people are that surprised that the criminals are driving an old piece of crap as well...

Hold on, (thats twice I've had to say that today) Steve.The majority of the film is set INDOORS.Some ,including YOU posted they hoped they would just be background/filler vehicles with more meatier SFX vehicles up front.Michael himself said to wait as VFX effects needed to be added yet.So I am not 'deluded' thank you, I did fear the worst but hoped for the best.

As I said ,it's important that it bears a strong enough relationship to Dredds world or Dredd just becomes a generic future cop.Lets hope that doesnt happen.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 05:31:23 pm
You'll have to point me to what exactly I said - I'm not prepared to trawl through the whole threads trying to find it...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 12 February, 2012, 05:35:09 pm
You'll have to point me to what exactly I said - I'm not prepared to trawl through the whole threads trying to find it...

You said they looked like Potman Pat wagons ( :lol:), hoped they would be background/filler vehicles and that the real meatier futuristic vehicles would be up front.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 05:49:29 pm
Yeah, that was an off-the-cuff pun - after searching for Postman Pat

What I actually said a few posts later was

"What I'm hoping for is they have some meatier vehicles done in post - nothing too outlandish, but something more imposing.

Hopefully these are just background/filler vehicles - they honestly look too small for a catch wagon."

I never thought there was going to be anything more futuristic, just hoped they mightcomp some 3D models of something a bit meatier if they couldn't find practical ones for some wider shots.

e.g. (http://www.paulightarmouring.co.uk/images/upload/1F4861XP.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 12 February, 2012, 05:58:19 pm
I thought they might have a few ARV's or similar but I don't think they had the budget or the inclination.

They'll be no Futuristic looking vehicles in DREDD. They will all be contemporary with little different decor added. It's cheaper and I think they want it too look similar to the war zones we see in the News.

Since most of the Film takes place inside a Block vehicles are simply not that important. If your thinking that's not good enough or you prefer the comic version with it's massive skylines and flying vehicles then that's your preferred version. It's mine too but perhaps we all have our personal 'vision' of MC1.

DREDD is not a multi million pound epic like Avengers or the new Total Recall. Cool, stylish looking Vehicles are not what this Film is about. I thought they'd be a lot more Futuristic too but DNA and Co are making the Film so that's that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 06:19:09 pm
I wonder how the film begins? Is there going to be a narrative voice at the start, like in the Stallone version, outlining Dredd's world? Or are the viewers left to infer this through the dialogue of the characters? I wonder if any futuristic slang or jargon is used?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 12 February, 2012, 06:38:14 pm
I was musing over the Dialogue and pondering if there would be subtitles for the acronyms and megacity speak.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2012, 06:39:30 pm
No Mega-speak, but lots of f-bombs if the leaked script is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 06:46:02 pm
Sounds like Black Hawk Down meets Judge Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 February, 2012, 06:47:05 pm
Someone (not that ScoJo) post this very good point in Empire Forum;

I really like the idea of using old vans and retrofitted stuff in this MC1. Like everything from the old world has just been salvaged and cannibalised. Not like the frikking spaceships and flying bikes from the Stallone film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 12 February, 2012, 06:53:00 pm
I look at it as being set 50 years in the future after a nuclear war that set  whats left of humanity back 50 years if ya catch my drift.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 12 February, 2012, 07:02:08 pm
I look at it as being set 50 years in the future after a nuclear war that set  whats left of humanity back 50 years if ya catch my drift.

Must admit I hadn't thought of that DanboJohnJ.

The more people discuss this the more appropriate the contemporary DREDD future looks. It's starting to make a lot more sense to me now.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 12 February, 2012, 07:19:45 pm
As the shot came from an FX showreel, I think it's likely that what were seeing is the finished product.


No, not really. It's a showreel of one compositor's work and that's all that can be shown. Not the finished image. Other work can be done to it before it reaches us.


Apologies, Joe - you're quite right about that, calling it 'the finished product' was the wrong way to put it.  I just meant that the contentious points (crappy van & composite skyline ) would be unlikely to differ much in the ultimate cut.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 12 February, 2012, 07:20:19 pm
It's clearly set in the mid to late 80's. And all the better for it too. :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Darren Stephens on 12 February, 2012, 07:47:56 pm
It's clearly set in the mid to late 80's. And all the better for it too. :lol:
So that's why the helmets are so big? To cover the judges mullets?  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 12 February, 2012, 08:15:54 pm
It's clearly set in the mid to late 80's. And all the better for it too. :lol:

Yeah seems like they took one look at that budget and said fukkit.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: judge macbrayne on 12 February, 2012, 09:07:22 pm
http://www.facebook.com/
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 February, 2012, 09:22:07 pm
http://www.facebook.com/

What?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 09:23:21 pm
This has been an apparent feature since the get-go.

Erm No it hasnt.When the other vehicles were critisised on here there were innumerable posts citing that they may just be background vehicles,


You didn't hear that from me and suppositions from this forum shouldn't be taken as official anyway. I think it was pretty apparent early on that this wasn't going to be comic Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 09:26:51 pm
I look at it as being set 50 years in the future after a nuclear war that set  whats left of humanity back 50 years if ya catch my drift.

Must admit I hadn't thought of that DanboJohnJ.

The more people discuss this the more appropriate the contemporary DREDD future looks. It's starting to make a lot more sense to me now.

And me, the more I think about it the more I'm getting to like the sound of it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 09:29:30 pm
Even though I'm still holding out for something more sci-fi (robots/aliens/spaceships etc)


I think you'd best jettison those ideas as soon as you can. They ain't comin'.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 12 February, 2012, 09:37:11 pm
Even though I'm still holding out for something more sci-fi (robots/aliens/spaceships etc)


I think you'd best jettison those ideas as soon as you can. They ain't comin'.

That sounds like a bet!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 09:38:43 pm
The script is online.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: A.Cow on 12 February, 2012, 10:01:44 pm
TBH the IMAX screen at Manchesters filmworks didn't seem any larger than the digi screen when I watched Batman and Watchmen

Unfortunately, the IMAX brand became useful enough that they started licensing smaller screens.

True IMAX is the size of a house and tends to make you go "woah!"

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX), section "IMAX Digital Theatre System and Screen Size Controversy".
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 12 February, 2012, 10:25:41 pm
Now, I'm gonna say this as a movie watcher as opposed to a movie maker.. Everything I've seen so far sets stuff up for expansion on the universe in a sequel, depending on how well this one does. It's been done before. Star Wars started out on a few key interior sets, then expanded out into multiple worlds, sets and characters, and that worked.

While I'm also a little skeptical about a few choices made in vehicles, I'm quite sure that in the grand scheme of things it'll all be blended in. It's hard to not focus on a single element if that's all you're seeing. Imagine only seeing Cindy Crawford's mole, and never seeing the bigger picture. Who'd want to climb on top of that? Nobody.. Step back a little, see the bigger picture within its context and you'll have to be beaten off with a crowbar..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 12 February, 2012, 10:29:54 pm
Now, I'm gonna say this as a movie watcher as opposed to a movie maker.. Everything I've seen so far sets stuff up for expansion on the universe in a sequel, depending on how well this one does. It's been done before. Star Wars started out on a few key interior sets, then expanded out into multiple worlds, sets and characters, and that worked.

While I'm also a little skeptical about a few choices made in vehicles, I'm quite sure that in the grand scheme of things it'll all be blended in. It's hard to not focus on a single element if that's all you're seeing. Imagine only seeing Cindy Crawford's mole, and never seeing the bigger picture. Who'd want to climb on top of that? Nobody.. Step back a little, see the bigger picture within its context and you'll have to be beaten off with a crowbar..

Indeed.

Maybe we will witness what will be the transition between old New York and the new Mega City?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 10:36:16 pm




Exactly Mick, I prefer Dredd the fighting underdog than Dredd the pompous dandy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 12 February, 2012, 11:16:43 pm
Even though I'm still holding out for something more sci-fi (robots/aliens/spaceships etc)


I think you'd best jettison those ideas as soon as you can. They ain't comin'.

That sounds like a bet!

What about heatseeking and ricochet bullets? Maybe a jet pack or two? :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: jock on 12 February, 2012, 11:23:54 pm
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM

No.


Yes
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James on 12 February, 2012, 11:25:46 pm
Tidy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 11:36:46 pm
Tidy.


Depends who he's agreeing with.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: jock on 12 February, 2012, 11:38:10 pm
Not Steve!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 12 February, 2012, 11:40:32 pm
Not Steve!

Boom!!

Now we are talking

Nice one Jock
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 12 February, 2012, 11:41:28 pm
Now, I'm gonna say this as a movie watcher as opposed to a movie maker.. Everything I've seen so far sets stuff up for expansion on the universe in a sequel, depending on how well this one does. It's been done before. Star Wars started out on a few key interior sets, then expanded out into multiple worlds, sets and characters, and that worked.

While I'm also a little skeptical about a few choices made in vehicles, I'm quite sure that in the grand scheme of things it'll all be blended in. It's hard to not focus on a single element if that's all you're seeing. Imagine only seeing Cindy Crawford's mole, and never seeing the bigger picture. Who'd want to climb on top of that? Nobody.. Step back a little, see the bigger picture within its context and you'll have to be beaten off with a crowbar..

I was about to say, I was speaking in terms of the franchise. Assuming it becomes one. I understand the first film sets the rules but the plot they've gone with should give them greater leeway when it comes to introducing other ideas seemingly out of the blue.

http://www.facebook.com/

What?

It's a new-fangling social networking site the kids seem to love.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bat King on 12 February, 2012, 11:44:12 pm
Cheers for chipping in Jock!

So leaked images (that I didn't like seeing but I'm letting it go...) aren't even the finished ones.  Cos Jock said 'Yes'.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 February, 2012, 11:44:26 pm
Not Steve!


You little tease.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 12 February, 2012, 11:49:52 pm
Stunned.

Why bother?

You may as well shoot a plate without the van and save yourself the effort of having to remove it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 12 February, 2012, 11:55:59 pm
All good so far. Some lovely guerilla style promo utilising GIF files and showreel footage and positive words from two big names in the know. Thanks Michael and Jock.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 12 February, 2012, 11:58:39 pm
Stunned.

Why bother?

You may as well shoot a plate without the van and save yourself the effort of having to remove it.

I'm not knowledgeable in these thing, but maybe it's just to provide a focus for the stunt guys on the bike, or pedestrians making it easier to act/react, rather than just doing it to nothing.  Or maybe it's due to it's effect on the environment, dust flying up, etc.

Probably more the former than the latter as dust effects can be done pretty well nowadays post production.

Anyway, I'm glad they're replacing the van. Near contemporary setting or not, that was just a bit much.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 12:01:04 am
I'm not knowledgeable in these thing, but maybe it's just to provide a focus for the stunt guys on the bike, or pedestrians making it easier to act/react, rather than just doing it to nothing.


There's other ways of doing that so that save you the hassle of rotoscoping.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 12:05:20 am
All good so far. Some lovely guerilla style promo utilising GIF files and showreel footage


I don't think there was any steering mastermind behind the release of the footage, sheer leakage. It's been pulled.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 13 February, 2012, 12:06:22 am
Big? That's very kind, but I'd hardly say I'm a big name..  :-[
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 13 February, 2012, 12:10:03 am
Big? That's very kind, but I'd hardly say I'm a big name..  :-[
[/quote

You are now to 2000ad fans.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 13 February, 2012, 12:12:31 am
I think he was talking about Joe.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Stan on 13 February, 2012, 12:14:25 am
A pun which would've worked had Michael not been mentioned by name.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 13 February, 2012, 12:16:45 am
Stunned.

Why bother?

You may as well shoot a plate without the van and save yourself the effort of having to remove it.

I'm not knowledgeable in these thing, but maybe it's just to provide a focus for the stunt guys on the bike, or pedestrians making it easier to act/react, rather than just doing it to nothing.  Or maybe it's due to it's effect on the environment, dust flying up, etc.

Probably more the former than the latter as dust effects can be done pretty well nowadays post production.

Anyway, I'm glad they're replacing the van. Near contemporary setting or not, that was just a bit much.

That comp already had some dust added to it by the looks of things. It's a bit weird that it's already gone through one stage of comping with having the background added etc, but not had the main vehicle put in.

Unless with a second revision they thought that the chase needed the van replacing - I really don't see why though, from all the other vehicle stuff I just don't really see the point, unless they're replacing the ambulance etc.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 12:21:30 am

Unless with a second revision they thought that the chase needed the van replacing - I really don't see why though, from all the other vehicle stuff I just don't really see the point, unless they're replacing the ambulance etc.



It had crossed my mind but I don't want to go down that road.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 13 February, 2012, 12:32:21 am
All good so far. Some lovely guerilla style promo utilising GIF files and showreel footage


I don't think there was any steering mastermind behind the release of the footage, sheer leakage. It's been pulled.

Possibly ... but any promo is good for increasing  public awareness.  Some Films with a bit of  pre-release notoriety have gone on to do well in the past.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 13 February, 2012, 01:27:18 am
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM

No.


Yes

Thank Grud for that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 13 February, 2012, 02:08:30 am
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM

No.


Yes

Wonder if they'll do the same for the lawmasters. ::)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 13 February, 2012, 02:09:41 am
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM
Hmmm brains a bit scrambled, so just to be clear the VAN will appear or wont appear in the movie ?
Not that ive got anything about vans mind :)
No.


Yes

Thank Grud for that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 13 February, 2012, 02:10:55 am
Crapcakes, my text didnt come out.

So just to make it clear for unintelligable (In this case me) will the van appear or not ?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 13 February, 2012, 02:50:11 am
Crapcakes, my text didnt come out.

So just to make it clear for unintelligable (In this case me) will the van appear or not ?

I gather from what has been said, no.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 13 February, 2012, 03:53:07 am
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM
No.
Yes

Go Jock, straight from the horse's mouth (as someone who's ACTUALLY SEEN finished footage of the film), and no small relief, it has to be said!  In regards to 'the van shot' in question, including the somewhat sparse skyline, people (including myself, in a moment of doubt, sorry DNA guys) need to realise that whilst it may only have a budget of some $45m, it was shot in South Africa, meaning that $45m is going to be look more like $90m-plus when all is said and done, and considering Michaelvk once described on here the new Mega-City one as looking like "London's Canary Wharf on steroids", and that it looked "amazing", plus the fact Alex Garland himself stated they wanted to achieve "all the scale and spectacle" of the Big Meg onscreen, not to mention the fact John Wagner, Carlos Ezquerra, Jock, and Dave Gibbons have all expressed unabashed approval of what they've seen so far, I think I'll side with Joe on this one, that shot is not the finished article, and the final movie is going to be a visual tour-de-force (with a darker and more neo-noirish tone, not the out-and-out spectacle of the 1995 debacle), my faith is restored, roll on the teaser trailer...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 13 February, 2012, 09:00:05 am
Regarding the 20th century van in the chase clip-perhaps it's a stand in van,pre-fx,much like the motorcycles in this behind the scenes clip from Terminator Salvation`?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjrbYD32toM

No.





Yes



YES!!!I KNEW it!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 13 February, 2012, 10:42:20 am
Could the thought be to lower expectation initially? (why not use stuff from the films development stages to promote it and increase awareness)  . . .  then BAM! all the juicy refined stuff appears nearer the time to cause a pre-release frenzy! :P
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 13 February, 2012, 10:47:52 am
a) that would be a terrible strategy for promoting a film.

b) These leaks aren't official - they were put on a compositor's showreel, and have now been taken down, presumably by order of the filmmaker's lawyers.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 13 February, 2012, 10:51:07 am
I think that's reading too much into it.

The simple answer seems to be that a compositor (who can't tell the difference between Batman and Superman, and has worked on Harry 'Porter' according to his reel) didn't know that you shouldn't put unreleased work on your reel.

I don't think it's part of some grand plan. Just events.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 13 February, 2012, 11:12:19 am
Whatever the promo method used there is definitely a buzz round DREDD at the moment.  Friends of mine that didn't really know this film was in the offing are now chatting about it on Facebook.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: norse_sage on 13 February, 2012, 11:44:15 am
I'm thinking viral marketing here too.

Just seems a bit too co-incidental. Somehow hwo has worked on all those movies in the reel would surely know better.

Nice way to get early some buzz out, prior to a teaser wich most be attached to the right movie, and the more graphic pictures have successfully generated more positive hype and awareness beyond the existing fanbase than any other picture, interview or announcement so far.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 13 February, 2012, 11:50:31 am
Nice to see you taking some leave from fighting the good fight at IMDB, Norse..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 12:00:28 pm
I'm thinking viral marketing here too.

Just seems a bit too co-incidental. Somehow hwo has worked on all those movies in the reel would surely know better.



If they knew better they wouldn't have put incomplete shots up that are unrepresentative of the final product.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 13 February, 2012, 01:41:25 pm
No. No way is an internet forum the way to promote your new product.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: norse_sage on 13 February, 2012, 02:50:37 pm
I'm thinking viral marketing here too.

Just seems a bit too co-incidental. Somehow hwo has worked on all those movies in the reel would surely know better.



If they knew better they wouldn't have put incomplete shots up that are unrepresentative of the final product.

For an official campaign geared toward the general audience, true, there's no way they would do that.
But as a way of spreading the word that the movie won't pull any punches to the niche audience discussing movies on various online webforum, why not?

Unoffical spyshots and what not have a way of getting out, and so those that have made the rounds (like the fat stuntguy on the less than well recieved lawmaster) haven't done the movie any favours. But I would say that these new pictures and even clips have.

They've been making the rounds in all the usual places, Anderson looks good in all of them, Dredd looks good in at least one of them, and we've got two headshots. The movie is being discussed all over the place, not all good mind you, but it isn't being universally smalled either. For a movie with the history this one has, that is really as good as it gets.

I would say that the recent pictures and gifs have created more awareness and hype with niche audiences beyond the 2000AD crowd than any previously released still, interview or announcement combined. They've even turned some of the Stallone fans formerly trolling the Dredd imdb board into converts!

If indeed this was a random leak, it couldn't have worked out better for them even if they had planned it.
Which leads me to speculate that that was just what they did.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 13 February, 2012, 03:04:40 pm
Here!  here!  Sire!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 13 February, 2012, 03:17:35 pm
So, let me get this straight - you think that the compositor was given the tacit OK by Lionsgate to stick a crappy quality letterboxed version of an unfinished shot on his reel, in the hope that it would get picked up?

And then he would have to explain to any new potential employer that he doesn't really make a habit of sticking unfinished, unreleased work on his reel and he can be trusted?

Isn't a more plausible explanation that he's just naive, rather than some elaborate viral?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 13 February, 2012, 03:24:13 pm
For an official campaign geared toward the general audience, true, there's no way they would do that.
But as a way of spreading the word that the movie won't pull any punches to the niche audience discussing movies on various online webforum, why not?

Unoffical spyshots and what not have a way of getting out, and so those that have made the rounds (like the fat stuntguy on the less than well recieved lawmaster) haven't done the movie any favours. But I would say that these new pictures and even clips have.

They've been making the rounds in all the usual places, Anderson looks good in all of them, Dredd looks good in at least one of them, and we've got two headshots. The movie is being discussed all over the place, not all good mind you, but it isn't being universally smalled either. For a movie with the history this one has, that is really as good as it gets.

I would say that the recent pictures and gifs have created more awareness and hype with niche audiences beyond the 2000AD crowd than any previously released still, interview or announcement combined. They've even turned some of the Stallone fans formerly trolling the Dredd imdb board into converts!

If indeed this was a random leak, it couldn't have worked out better for them even if they had planned it.
Which leads me to speculate that that was just what they did.

Well if that's their tactics it's backfired on them, because most of the comments so far on this forum have been mainly one of indifference and negativity to the new film. Just ask SmallBlueThing what he thinks of the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 February, 2012, 03:32:25 pm
So, let me get this straight - you think that the compositor was given the tacit OK by Lionsgate to stick a crappy quality letterboxed version of an unfinished shot on his reel, in the hope that it would get picked up?

And then he would have to explain to any new potential employer that he doesn't really make a habit of sticking unfinished, unreleased work on his reel and he can be trusted?

Isn't a more plausible explanation that he's just naive, rather than some elaborate viral?

No, it very likely he used some footage without their knowledge for the showreel.

As says many times on here, it not official.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 13 February, 2012, 03:38:30 pm
Yes, I know. I was just astonished that people thought it might be a viral.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 13 February, 2012, 03:39:14 pm
Any publicity is good publicity isnt it ? The shots that we have seen in this video arent lame by any standards, shows the grittyness, darkness and gutsier Dredd WE all want.

Regardless of what the "STALLONESMYDREDD-WANNABEES" want or say we will have our vision of DREDD and or near close to it im sure of that.

Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 13 February, 2012, 03:42:57 pm
The idea that they would deliberately leak that shot of the van - a vehicle which according to some may not actually be in the final film - and is by all accounts unfinshed - is utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 13 February, 2012, 03:45:20 pm

Well if that's their tactics it's backfired on them, because most of the comments so far on this forum have been mainly one of indifference and negativity to the new film. Just ask SmallBlueThing what he thinks of the film.

From the last 20 pages in this thread. The freshly leaked photo's and footage has been mainly positive. Even swaying the on the fence boarders to some degree.




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 February, 2012, 03:50:04 pm
Isn't a more plausible explanation that he's just naive, rather than some elaborate viral?
I never considered any other possibility. There's no way in hell this is a viral—it's just some idiot who's made himself less employable.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Bubba Zebill on 13 February, 2012, 03:53:05 pm
Isn't a more plausible explanation that he's just naive, rather than some elaborate viral?
I never considered any other possibility. There's no way in hell this is a viral—it's just some idiot who's made himself less employable.

Exactly!...He just boosted his portfolio by showing everybody in the business that he can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 February, 2012, 04:15:25 pm

That unoffical unfinished drawing for next 2000AD Dredd story here;
(http://i43.tinypic.com/rm02zk.jpg)

So that is example of you don't having to based your views of the Dredd film on untested and unfinished unoffical footage with few secs even old van. Again, just take chill pill!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 13 February, 2012, 04:22:14 pm

That unoffical unfinished drawing for next 2000AD Dredd story here;
(http://i43.tinypic.com/rm02zk.jpg)



The helmet's too big and the pads are too small. This is going to be rubbish.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 13 February, 2012, 04:23:01 pm
ooh is Buttonman working on a new Dredd  ?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Toni Scandella on 13 February, 2012, 05:59:08 pm
While I tentatively welcome that teaser piscure for the next Dredd story, I have to ask...

Is he returning to a Mk 1 Lawgiver, then?  I knew it mightn't as far in the future as we'd hoped, but such an old gun (designed in the 1970's!) being used in the next Dredd story is a taking things a bit too far!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 13 February, 2012, 06:01:42 pm
Ok, so, in the footage, is that Urban's voice or is it a soundbyte from Dredd VS Death?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 06:10:18 pm
This is gonna sound mad but I'm a little disapointed to hear this. Hope its not too far removed from the 'Crappy' van used. And I REALLY hope that it's not a 'Hover' type vehicle like some kinda 'Batwing' thing.:-\
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 13 February, 2012, 06:15:55 pm
This is gonna sound mad but I'm a little disapointed to hear this. Hope its not too far removed from the 'Crappy' van used. And I REALLY hope that it's not a 'Hover' type vehicle like some kinda 'Batwing' thing.:-\

Same here.

Regarding the guy who leaked it, I don't think there are many films where fans would be able to find that gif on some guys portfolio show reel in such a short space of time after uploading. It's actually pretty impressive! But unfortunate for him.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 13 February, 2012, 06:22:48 pm
Ok, so, in the footage, is that Urban's voice or is it a soundbyte from Dredd VS Death?

Don't panic! It's from the video game.

In the movie Dredd will sound like Paul Hogan!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 06:26:24 pm
And further more I want that van to be packed to the roof with stolen Commodore 64s, Walkmans and Gameboys, all ready to be flogged on the mean (and neon lit) streets of Mega City 1 by the ruthless 'Creeps' what stole them. :P
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 13 February, 2012, 06:29:54 pm
I bet they just CG erase the vans wheels and turn it in top a hover van.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 06:32:32 pm
Man I hope not. They can CGI the commodores and shit. I don't mind that! :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 13 February, 2012, 06:38:12 pm
lol
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: weehawk on 13 February, 2012, 07:01:48 pm
Ok, so, in the footage, is that Urban's voice or is it a soundbyte from Dredd VS Death?

Don't panic! It's from the video game.

In the movie Dredd will sound like Paul Hogan!

 :lol:

 Well, I'm hoping he uses that eerie voice he had in Priest.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 07:19:59 pm
So then Dredd,Yeah! He fuckin clocks the 'Commodore Gang' (or the 64ers as they're sometimes known) and gives chase.
They barrel it but he shoots their tyres out whilst doin a tun on the 'Skedway' and all hell breaks lose.
The van is a rite old piece of shit and pretty much just vaporizes there and then.
Shits flyin everywhere.
Walkmans, Gameboys, the lot.
Dredd thinks 'Yeah bitches. U Dead, but, a headphones cable offa a Walkman gets caught in the Lawmasters 'Beast' front wheel.
 Dredd goes arse over tit and lands 'SMACK!' head first on the 'Sked'.
 But do you know what saves him?
Thats rite. :D
 His massive helmet.
Pretty sure you'll find thats how it plays out?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 13 February, 2012, 07:25:33 pm
Shits flyin everywhere.
Walkmans, Gameboys, the lot.

LMAO
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 07:27:53 pm
 :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: satchmo on 13 February, 2012, 07:28:33 pm
It's no joke, think what Filmore Faro would pay for a Commodore 64. He'd cap all our asses for a rusty tin of beans...  :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 07:36:19 pm
It used to drive me up the fuckin wall when the thing crashed. A fuckin cassette tape!!! My stars! U just can't imagine that now can ya.
Bashed that 'Anti-Rad' game though.
Loved it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: satchmo on 13 February, 2012, 07:42:20 pm
Sacred Armour of Antiriad? What a game that was...
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 07:49:32 pm
TRUE DAT!! :D U ever complete it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: satchmo on 13 February, 2012, 08:01:39 pm
Nowhere near  :D Got it for my emulator so I will one day. Probably the same way I eventually finished Cobra- BY CHEATING.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 February, 2012, 08:06:26 pm
There is a little film called DREDD, used be talked about on this thread.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 08:09:59 pm
I got that rock slinging ,cave dwellin, mono browed ape dude suited and booted and all the way out the top of that exploding mutherfukin moutain @ least twice.
Stick with man + no cheats. :D
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: satchmo on 13 February, 2012, 08:17:13 pm
Soz Goaty, Dredd's helmet is too big/ too small/ just right and the film itself looks arsom/ canny good/ rubbish. That's my final word on the subject I'm busy playing Chuckie Egg 2.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 13 February, 2012, 08:31:00 pm
I'm gonna go watch Alien (directors cut). L8trs. :wave:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 13 February, 2012, 08:33:53 pm
I'm gonna go watch Alien (directors cut). L8trs. :wave:
Why comment that on this thread?




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 13 February, 2012, 08:41:12 pm
So then Dredd,Yeah! He fuckin clocks the 'Commodore Gang' (or the 64ers as they're sometimes known) and gives chase.
They barrel it but he shoots their tyres out whilst doin a tun on the 'Skedway' and all hell breaks lose.
The van is a rite old piece of shit and pretty much just vaporizes there and then.
Shits flyin everywhere.
Walkmans, Gameboys, the lot.
Dredd thinks 'Yeah bitches. U Dead, but, a headphones cable offa a Walkman gets caught in the Lawmasters 'Beast' front wheel.
 Dredd goes arse over tit and lands 'SMACK!' head first on the 'Sked'.
 But do you know what saves him?
Thats rite. :D
 His massive helmet.
Pretty sure you'll find thats how it plays out?

You missed abit, so ive edited it for you. :)

So then Dredd,Yeah! He fuckin clocks the 'Commodore Gang' (or the 64ers as they're sometimes known) and gives chase.
They barrel it but he shoots their tyres out whilst doin a tun on the 'Skedway' and all hell breaks lose.
The van is a rite old piece of shit and pretty much just vaporizes there and then.
Shits flyin everywhere.
Walkmans, Gameboys, the lot.
Dredd thinks 'Yeah bitches. U Dead, but, a headphones cable offa a Walkman gets caught in the Lawmasters 'Beast' front wheel.
From the inside the cab, passenger side you hear...
"You plonker ROdney, floor it ya muppet"
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 09:04:07 pm
Am I on twitter?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mister Pops on 13 February, 2012, 09:05:32 pm
PSSHAWWW

Not one mention of a Dreamcast, this movie's gonna suck.

Suck like Big the Cat
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 13 February, 2012, 09:20:48 pm
Ok, so, in the footage, is that Urban's voice or is it a soundbyte from Dredd VS Death?

Don't panic! It's from the video game.

In the movie Dredd will sound like Paul Hogan!

 :lol:

 Well, I'm hoping he uses that eerie voice he had in Priest.


Actually my Paul Hogan comment was more a reaction to speculation fatigue, but now I think about it Hogan has got a "Dead Man" era Dredd face. Save a bundle on makeup too!

I'm sure Urban will do a bang up Job though and he was indeed the best thing in Priest.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 February, 2012, 09:38:50 pm

After read those in this thread last few hours make me feelings like this below;

(http://i43.tinypic.com/24v8jt2.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mister Pops on 13 February, 2012, 09:44:15 pm
Nicely done
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 09:51:32 pm
Heh.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Zarjazzer on 13 February, 2012, 09:53:15 pm
Good 'un Goaty.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: LARF on 13 February, 2012, 09:53:50 pm
Class.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 13 February, 2012, 09:59:49 pm
Zarjaz!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 13 February, 2012, 10:04:04 pm
Nice one goaty.

Is that the final cut or are you adding splattered brains later :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 13 February, 2012, 10:04:44 pm

After read those in this thread last few hours make me feelings like this below;

(http://i43.tinypic.com/24v8jt2.gif)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 February, 2012, 10:14:49 pm
Nice one goaty.

Is that the final cut or are you adding splattered brains later :lol:

No, that for another FX company  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: chuffsteruk on 13 February, 2012, 10:22:03 pm
Can't you find a pic of S**** and put HIS head on there?? :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 13 February, 2012, 10:24:22 pm
Can't you find a pic of S**** and put HIS head on there?? :lol:

Nice idea :) Great animation btw Goaty
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 13 February, 2012, 10:25:29 pm
Can't you find a pic of S**** and put HIS head on there?? :lol:

I did but it on cutting room floor.  ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: NSFTM on 13 February, 2012, 11:10:15 pm
(forum ate my post)

bit concerned about this .. Goaty's glasses are too big and his t shirt is not really in keeping with the traditional 'style' of top i would expect.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: karlurbaninternational on 13 February, 2012, 11:41:54 pm
Nothing new *and maybe this is not so bad...* but have "one" old unsolved thing. I need someone analysing it. (design pics). If it is nothing, I am sorry.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3585551/mediaindex
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2012, 11:44:05 pm
It's some commercial work from a concept designer who worked on Dredd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: M.I.K. on 13 February, 2012, 11:54:26 pm
I don't think it's even commercial work. It seems to be something he's done in his own time for his own amusement.

http://web.me.com/iweightman/Ivan_Weightman,_Art_Direction,_Portfolio,_Concept,_Design,_Tv,_Film,_Blog_site/Blog/Blog.html (http://web.me.com/iweightman/Ivan_Weightman,_Art_Direction,_Portfolio,_Concept,_Design,_Tv,_Film,_Blog_site/Blog/Blog.html)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 13 February, 2012, 11:56:04 pm
Nothing new *and maybe this is not so bad...* but have "one" old unsolved thing. I need someone analysing it. (design pics). If it is nothing, I am sorry.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3585551/mediaindex

Looks pretty cool tho :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: A.Cow on 14 February, 2012, 12:01:02 am
Any publicity is good publicity isnt it ?

Tell that to Gary Glitter.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: M.I.K. on 14 February, 2012, 03:06:52 am
I don't think it's even commercial work. It seems to be something he's done in his own time for his own amusement.

Correction : Street racer picture was done in his spare time, robot designs look like they're for this advert... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H0AivBp9Dc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H0AivBp9Dc)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: karlurbaninternational on 14 February, 2012, 04:53:19 am
Ahhhh! Excellent. Thank you very much. (keeping an eye on that talented man)

Bonus Pic for enjoyment: A third photo from the Dredd Wrap Party :)
http://img258.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-6290/loc214/194624296_262_122_214lo.jpg
(can name names, location, source, if needed)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: karlurbaninternational on 14 February, 2012, 04:59:15 am
http://img258.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=194624296_262_122_214lo.jpg
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 February, 2012, 09:19:22 am
Mr. Urban Int. is that Lena in the hot tub?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 14 February, 2012, 11:11:34 am
From what I've seen/heard, it looks like the humour will be blacker and less whimsical than the comics - more Verhoeven than Wagner. There definitely is humour in the script, despite what many people say - but it's very dry and perhaps doesn't read that funny on the page - there's one or two scenes that should get a big laugh in the cinema provided they're handled well. I should stress again that I've only read the first 12 or so pages of the script so I'm speculating.

Dredd's dialogue - what I read of it - is spot on Wagner though; gruff, terse, cynical - note perfect. He sure as shit ain't gonna be getting all teared up in the locker room about his poor old bro - "I judged him"....

So a lack of humour is quite a deviation from comic strip Dredd; so is a lack of fantastical elements like vampires, zombies aliens and downright weird MC-1 freaks. I've just read a strip were an ourangatan is elected for Mayor of Mega City One. For those of us who have been lucky enough to see some stills from the film, it looks as though the film is focussing on the more murderous aspects of Dredd and his Mega City. Might this put some fans off?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 14 February, 2012, 11:14:34 am
putting some fans off V's potentially creating a new large fanbase ? The fans you put off will still watch it.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 14 February, 2012, 11:58:26 am
The strip itself has toned down those elements, I guess since around the time of the Pit - they're still in the background, but the strip has evolved as well.

I think there's room for some of the aspects like Resyk, Vi-zines, Euthanasiums etc. but since it looks like the movie version is a city on the edge of collapse, there's not much call for the outlandish, they would just be out of place in their version.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 14 February, 2012, 12:37:30 pm
yes I know but do you think this may put some people off?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 14 February, 2012, 12:41:45 pm
No I don't think so.

I think fans of the strip would prefer some satirical elements, but I doubt it has much influence on the rest of the audience.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 14 February, 2012, 12:46:53 pm
I've always tended to associate Dredd with satire, even the most violent parts. It seems the film is going to be different, darker. I am looking forward to see if they manage to pull it off on screen.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 01:13:38 pm
Alex Garland was quoted in the Empire article as saying they have conciously played down the satirical/humourous elements for the movie, as the 'hyper-violent future cop' angle was what most appealed to him reading Judge Dredd comics as a kid, and he wanted to make first and foremost a hi-octane action film.

Seems somewhat of a mistake to me - Wagner and Grant's absurd sense of humour is - even now - what gives the strip a strong sense of identity - but we'll see how it turns out.

Tharg has stated that there is an effort being made to 'do that stuff in the background' - put little gags and weird stuff in for the fans - and you can see evidence of this already - some of the set spy-shots showed Chopper's infamous graffiti tag, and the 'No Creds = No Meds' sign in the leaked clip.

A couple of years ago, John Wagner invited fans via his facebook page to suggest little background details or humourous incidental skits that could be used for this purpose, which he could then pitch to the producers for inclusion in the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 14 February, 2012, 02:27:42 pm
Mr. Urban Int. is that Lena in the hot tub?

Nah, those are the stunt(doubles) girls.. Didn't see Lena at the party. Olivia was there though..
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 14 February, 2012, 02:35:43 pm
Never really thought of Dredd as a 'hyper-violent future cop', I mean , he may wipe out half a billion folk one afternoon, when he has a mind to , but they had been very very naughty.Dredd is a very very nice man  :D

Seriously though, the satire in Dredd and the humour has always stood out far more for me.I can understand them concentrating on the violence and dark side as a starting point though, that will appeal to many.
Having watched the Lethal Weapon series this week, with lots of violence mixed with humour -would they be a good balance/template for any future Dredd movie?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 February, 2012, 02:44:16 pm
Mr. Urban Int. is that Lena in the hot tub?

Nah, those are the stunt(doubles) girls.. Didn't see Lena at the party. Olivia was there though..

Thanks Michael.

Karl looks like he's having fun. Did you get in the hot tub too? :-)


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 14 February, 2012, 03:17:32 pm
The thing with Dredd is that the strip CAN be full of wacky humour and satire but there are numerous great stories where these elements are played down or totally absent. One of my favourite Dredd stories of the last 10 years is Mandroid and there aren't many laughs to be found in that. In fact, it's unrelentingly grim and depressing.

I suppose, ideally, the film should try to present a definitive version of Dredd but that's been tried already and it was a mess. From what I've seen so far, the black humour is there, just not at the forefront.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 14 February, 2012, 03:25:01 pm
The thing with Dredd is that the strip CAN be full of wacky humour and satire but there are numerous great stories where these elements are played down or totally absent. One of my favourite Dredd stories of the last 10 years is Mandroid and there aren't many laughs to be found in that. In fact, it's unrelentingly grim and depressing.

I suppose, ideally, the film should try to present a definitive version of Dredd but that's been tried already and it was a mess. From what I've seen so far, the black humour is there, just not at the forefront.

And one of best stories, America.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 14 February, 2012, 03:32:33 pm
a lack of humour is quite a deviation from comic strip Dredd; so is a lack of fantastical elements like vampires, zombies aliens and downright weird MC-1 freaks.

Humour, yes; not so vampires, zombies, and aliens. They add flavour, sure, but they haven't ever been essential. The Cam Kennedy-drawn 'Back on the Streets' from Prog 435 is likely the best depiction of Mega-City One in microcosm.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 03:39:35 pm
Quote
The thing with Dredd is that the strip CAN be full of wacky humour and satire but there are numerous great stories where these elements are played down or totally absent. One of my favourite Dredd stories of the last 10 years is Mandroid and there aren't many laughs to be found in that. In fact, it's unrelentingly grim and depressing.

I'd say the vast majority of Dredd stories do have a strong element of the absurd or eccentric about them. It's absolutely key to the appeal and longevity of the series. The undercurrent of humour and weirdness is always there - even in more serious stories like America and Day of Chaos.

The city is such a key element of the comic strip - I hesitate to say it's the real main character of Dredd as some tend to do - and to have it reimagined as a desolate slum, verging on collapse seems a missed opportunity to me. Parts of MC1 no doubt are depressing shitholes, but there's so much more to it than that - it has this larger than life playground quality to it and has been so explored and expanded over the years it really feels like a tangible, fully-realised location.

Take that charm and sense of wonder away, and I'm not sure what is there to distinguish out from all the other dystopian future cities.

Still, I have great faith in Garland as a writer - I'd be pumped for this film even if I wasn't a massive Dredd nerd.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 03:49:59 pm
Going back to an earlier discussion about how best to implement Judge Death in the grittier, more realistic version of Dredd 2012...

How about fusing the character with that of Cal?

An insane - possibly mutant with latent powers comaparable with Anderson's - head of the SJS, stages an internal coup within Justice Department and begins a policy of executing mass swathes of the population, gaining the nickname Death, while Dredd and Anderson lead a counter-insurgency...

As the baddies would be a twisted version of the SJS, these 'Dark Judges' would all have Judge Death-like skull insignia on their judge uniforms.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Molch-R on 14 February, 2012, 03:50:29 pm
Quote
The thing with Dredd is that the strip CAN be full of wacky humour and satire but there are numerous great stories where these elements are played down or totally absent. One of my favourite Dredd stories of the last 10 years is Mandroid and there aren't many laughs to be found in that. In fact, it's unrelentingly grim and depressing.

I'd say the vast majority of Dredd stories do have a strong element of the absurd or eccentric about them. It's absolutely key to the appeal and longevity of the series. The undercurrent of humour and weirdness is always there - even in more serious stories like America and Day of Chaos.

The city is such a key element of the comic strip - I hesitate to say it's the real main character of Dredd as some tend to do - and to have it reimagined as a desolate slum, verging on collapse seems a missed opportunity to me. Parts of MC1 no doubt are depressing shitholes, but there's so much more to it than that - it has this larger than life playground quality to it and has been so explored and expanded over the years it really feels like a tangible, fully-realised location.

Take that charm and sense of wonder away, and I'm not sure what is there to distinguish out from all the other dystopian future cities.

Still, I have great faith in Garland as a writer - I'd be pumped for this film even if I wasn't a massive Dredd nerd.

Someone commented that the original film tried to do too much and became a total dog's dinner, which I believe nails it. As Garland has said, this is a striped-down version of Dredd's world that focuses on his role as judge, jury and executioner in a dystopian future. As much as we all enjoy the satire and silliness, on the big screen such things can so easily come across as camp. Plus, *any* comparison with Stallone's awful version of the character will not only sink this movie but also the hope of ever seeing Dredd on the big screen again.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 04:06:08 pm
Oh, absolutely - I'm certainly not one of those flat-earther types who insist the only Dredd they want to see on screen be an exact facsimile of the comic version (complete with Walter the Wobot, synthi-sausages, and Dredd shouting "Hi-Ex!" and "Boot-Knife!" every five seconds) - I'm well aware that changes are absolutely necessary to adapt something like Dredd, and I'm very much in favour of stripping out the more outlandish or sillier elements of Dredd's world...

I just worry that in going all out for gritty, dark, brutal action, we might lose a key part of appeal of the comics and it might end up being a little generic dystopian sci-fi.

As I said though, I'm a huge fan of Garland's work - delighted that it's in his hands - and am very much looking forward to seeing what the tone of the finished film is like.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: James Stacey on 14 February, 2012, 04:07:50 pm
he better bloody shout boot knife at some point. Preferably whist shoving his knife through a perps neck, complete with arterial spray. Now thats gritty.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Danbo on 14 February, 2012, 04:41:11 pm
As long as he doesn't mumble 'full auto rapid fire' or 'Double whammy' whilst dribbling down his chin then I'm happy.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 14 February, 2012, 04:44:19 pm

I am sure the new Dredd would be better without "I knew you'd say that!"  :(
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 04:59:47 pm
I love the ECTB2000AD podcast review/dissection of the Stallone Dredd movie - I've listened to it at least three times now. Alec Worley is so great on it, he sounds like he's in physical pain just talking about the film.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 14 February, 2012, 05:17:47 pm
Just a quick question, apologies if it's been asked before (probably has) -the begining of Dredd, does it has a scroll or voice over to explain things ,or is it just left open?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 14 February, 2012, 05:19:12 pm
The city is such a key element of the comic strip - I hesitate to say it's the real main character of Dredd as some tend to do - and to have it reimagined as a desolate slum, verging on collapse seems a missed opportunity to me. Parts of MC1 no doubt are depressing shitholes, but there's so much more to it than that - it has this larger than life playground quality to it and has been so explored and expanded over the years it really feels like a tangible, fully-realised location.

Well let's face it: the Judges are going to have more work to do in the run-down areas anyway, even in the comic's version, so makes sense that's what the movie's going to focus on. Doesn't mean the other aspects of MC-1 aren't there in this version though. We just may not get to see them this time out.

I've always imagined MC-1 to be a fucking nightmare anyway. The humor and satire have always just lightened up some really depressing and frightening concepts over the years. League Of Fatties, Otto Sump, etc are really pretty bleak ideas when you look at them.

Also, I think MC-1 being portrayed as a civilization on the edge just works better from a dramatic standpoint. The Judges rarely seem too stretched when it comes to upholding their laws in the strip. The people always lose because the presence of The Law is so overwhelming in their lives. Turning that on its head for the movie adds some real danger and, dare I say it, some relevant social commentary for the world we're living in now.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 14 February, 2012, 05:31:10 pm
I think it's also something that John Wagner has addressed over the years, to make them fallible, under strength because of various catastrophes, prone to corruption within etc. so they're not some perfect organisation who can easily deal with any crime.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 14 February, 2012, 05:36:00 pm
So Dredd,Yeah. Sees this guy on the 'Pedway' acting like 'Ten men'. Give'n it 'All that' to randoms as they pass by for no good reason.
 So he goes, 'Oy! Dick'ed! Any more of that shit an I'll come over there and fuckin knock u out'.
Guy goes, 'Fuckoff! U fink ur a fuckin Bad Man with all that leather an ya big daft fuckin 'at'.
So Dredd,Yeah, Proper sees is arse and goes 'Right twat,It's fuckin 'On' now'.
Steams over to him and fuckin 'Blaps' him one right in the temple with his fist.
OOOF!!!.
Guys like 'WTF!!!'.
Dredds like, 'That'll fukin learn ya'.
Guys only got a massive piece of 'Rockcret' on him and dashes it up the side of Dredds ed.
But u know what saves him?
Thats right.
His big massive helmet!
Pretty sure you'll find it plays out something like that. :)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 05:36:44 pm
I can totally understand it from a narrative point of view - recasting MC1 as a hellish slum and the judges as far less powerful and Orwellian is shorthand - you don't have to explain or justify why Dredd and the judges are necessary. If things were presented exactly as they are in the comics, the audience would probably come away thinking Dredd was the just as bad as the villains - fine if that's the sort of story you're going for, but perhaps unwise for the first film.

The vibe they're going for appears to be that the judges just barely keep a lid of things and are somewhat understaffed and desperate.

Quote
the begining of Dredd, does it has a scroll or voice over to explain things ,or is it just left open?

The script starts with a view of the Cursed Earth and a passage explaining the setup - don't know whether this will be done as a v/o or text crawl - text I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 14 February, 2012, 06:49:59 pm
So Dredd,Yeah. Sees this guy on the 'Pedway' acting like 'Ten men'. Give'n it 'All that' to randoms as they pass by for no good reason.
 So he goes, 'Oy! Dick'ed! Any more of that shit an I'll come over there and fuckin knock u out'.
Guy goes, 'Fuckoff! U fink ur a fuckin Bad Man with all that leather an ya big daft fuckin 'at'.
So Dredd,Yeah, Proper sees is arse and goes 'Right twat,It's fuckin 'On' now'.
Steams over to him and fuckin 'Blaps' him one right in the temple with his fist.
OOOF!!!.
Guys like 'WTF!!!'.
Dredds like, 'That'll fukin learn ya'.
Guys only got a massive piece of 'Rockcret' on him and dashes it up the side of Dredds ed.
But u know what saves him?
Thats right.
His big massive helmet!
Pretty sure you'll find it plays out something like that. :)

Are you on some kind of experimental medication? :|
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 14 February, 2012, 06:52:41 pm
Hey moderator, Radiator was giving me the answer.No detail required but scroll or voice over cant really be a secret can it?
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 06:59:05 pm
I put the spoiler on - tend to be cautious because some people really don't want to know info like that.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 14 February, 2012, 07:09:05 pm
So Dredd,Yeah. Sees this guy on the 'Pedway' acting like 'Ten men'. Give'n it 'All that' to randoms as they pass by for no good reason.
 So he goes, 'Oy! Dick'ed! Any more of that shit an I'll come over there and fuckin knock u out'.
Guy goes, 'Fuckoff! U fink ur a fuckin Bad Man with all that leather an ya big daft fuckin 'at'.
So Dredd,Yeah, Proper sees is arse and goes 'Right twat,It's fuckin 'On' now'.
Steams over to him and fuckin 'Blaps' him one right in the temple with his fist.
OOOF!!!.
Guys like 'WTF!!!'.
Dredds like, 'That'll fukin learn ya'.
Guys only got a massive piece of 'Rockcret' on him and dashes it up the side of Dredds ed.
But u know what saves him?
Thats right.
His big massive helmet!
Pretty sure you'll find it plays out something like that. :)

Are you on some kind of experimental medication? :|

Lol. Helps me avoid 'The One Show' ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 14 February, 2012, 07:21:16 pm
 :D ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 14 February, 2012, 07:33:26 pm
Havin said that! Tonights episode does have a dog who can use a cash point on it. Either that or I'm trippin my arse off again! ;)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 14 February, 2012, 07:34:30 pm
http://img258.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=194624296_262_122_214lo.jpg
Could someone kill the link with the hot tub. Some live link sex chat is piggybacking it. The image has been here before with the same results.
Its livejasmin.com I got some tanned babe gyrating her groin at my monitor. Luckily the kids are in bed.




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 14 February, 2012, 07:48:25 pm
Brilliant!  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: vzzbux on 14 February, 2012, 07:55:27 pm
I am not kidding. I would have been pissed off if Robbie had been with me. I did watch for five mins just to make sure.




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Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 February, 2012, 08:03:14 pm
Is this more leaked showreel stuff from the movie then!  :o :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2012, 08:29:24 pm
I can totally understand it from a narrative point of view - recasting MC1 as a hellish slum and the judges as far less powerful and Orwellian is shorthand

As far as I know there are references in the script to other parts of the city that aren't particularly slums -there might be a Resyk too- so it may not be that different from the comic Mega-City-One and, as a post-nuke city, it's less of a stretch of believability by revealing this side more prominently in the first film.



I've always tended to associate Dredd with satire, even the most violent parts. It seems the film is going to be different, darker.


Satire ain't only about being funny or the ridiculous, it can can contain exaggeration, juxtaposition, comparison, analogy etc. The whole set-up in Dredd could easily be seen as a satire on certain cryptofascist/authoritarian tendencies that dwell within the American/British establishment, or anywhere else if you like.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 February, 2012, 08:29:46 pm
Just had my ear to the BBC radio1 and caught the tail end of an interview Zane Lowe was doing. Did'nt get the band name only that they were involved in a 2000ad related sound track 'Drokk!' I think the band are called the Quarkers but I might be wrong. Any possible relation to the Movie ?!!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 08:37:45 pm
It's the bloke from Portishead's side project. Nothing to do with the film afaik.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2012, 08:38:08 pm
Just had my ear to the BBC radio1 and caught the tail end of an interview Zane Lowe was doing. Did'nt get the band name only that they were involved in a 2000ad related sound track 'Drokk!' I think the band are called the Quarkers but I might be wrong. Any possible relation to the Movie ?!!


No it's a side project by Geoff Barrow of Portishead influenced by Mega-City-one:

http://www.invada.co.uk/geoff-barrow-2012-compilation
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 February, 2012, 08:42:35 pm
Cheers chaps . . . I'am now enlightened. I was a fan of Portishead way back and will have to checkout  some of the their new stuff based on this.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2012, 09:02:21 pm
Their most recent album, Third, is very good actually. Has a very bleak sound to it - a sort of haunting, World in Action theme tune vibe, especially the closing minutes of Machine Gun.

Funnily enough, I've been listening to the track We Carry On recently, thinking an instrumental version of it would probably suit the new Dredd film quite well - very grungy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft8-_W2Jc6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft8-_W2Jc6M)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2012, 09:15:30 pm
Funnily enough, I've been listening to the track We Carry On recently, thinking an instrumental version of it would probably suit the new Dredd film quite well - very grungy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft8-_W2Jc6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft8-_W2Jc6M)


It's a bit too undynamic and upfront sounding for incidental music, it could be quite irritating and wouldn't go well under scenes except as background music in a club scene. Has a bit of an early Joy Division sound to the guitar.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 14 February, 2012, 09:16:46 pm
Listen to the 'Threads' mate. It's got this amazin bit right @ the end. Would love to hear that live. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 14 February, 2012, 09:50:57 pm
I've always tended to associate Dredd with satire, even the most violent parts. It seems the film is going to be different, darker.

Satire ain't only about being funny or the ridiculous, it can can contain exaggeration, juxtaposition, comparison, analogy etc. The whole set-up in Dredd could easily be seen as a satire on certain cryptofascist/authoritarian tendencies that dwell within the American/British establishment, or anywhere else if you like.

I know. Gullivers Travels is a great example of satire. Some, but not all, of comic Dredd, puts the word laughter into slaughter. To do this on the big screen takes guts. The film is going to be altogether more sombre in atmosphere; a couple of guys on here have referenced the Mandroid and America stories as being serious unironic Dredd, are there other stories which have divested themselves of the more frivolous aspects of a Dredd narrative?



Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 14 February, 2012, 09:52:29 pm
The Chief Judge's man?

Not many laughs in that as I recall.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: bigjobs67 on 14 February, 2012, 10:00:11 pm
Whats the one where Dredd ends up defending that block full of Muties?
 It's relentless all the way.
 he just marches through it wastin every motherfucker who's attackin it.
Runnin out of rounds until he has to use daft stuff like 'incendries'.
 Then after it's over he gets on his bike with a smoldering half toppled block behind him and control patch through that some knob head has stuff himself into a garbage grinder.
And he just fucks off to deal with it.
Absolute class.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 14 February, 2012, 10:40:01 pm
a couple of guys on here have referenced the Mandroid and America stories as being serious unironic Dredd, are there other stories which have divested themselves of the more frivolous aspects of a Dredd narrative?

It might have laced comedy but I don't think America lacked irony!
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Gonk on 14 February, 2012, 11:01:54 pm
Going back to an earlier discussion about how best to implement Judge Death in the grittier, more realistic version of Dredd 2012...

How about fusing the character with that of Cal?

An insane - possibly mutant with latent powers comaparable with Anderson's - head of the SJS, stages an internal coup within Justice Department and begins a policy of executing mass swathes of the population, gaining the nickname Death, while Dredd and Anderson lead a counter-insurgency...

As the baddies would be a twisted version of the SJS, these 'Dark Judges' would all have Judge Death-like skull insignia on their judge uniforms.


That would make a fantastic plot for a sequel. Most definitely; costume and scenery could be a little more elaborate to evoke the sense of doom and madness. It would contrast well with this first film whose emphasis seems to be on urban warfare.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 14 February, 2012, 11:21:44 pm
I was thinking about a sequel the other day, and I must admit I would love for it to be set in the cursed earth.

Whereas Anderson is Dredd's opposite in this film, I was thinking Koburn could be his opposite in the sequel.

Base the plot on Pat Mills' cursed earth story and bits of Origins, and this would make up for the lack of 'real' mutants in the reboot.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2012, 11:25:42 pm
Judging by the background vehicles, I guess this is from the last scene in the film, affirmatively ending with the ^above^ 80's freeze-frame as Sweet Freedom by Michael mcDonald swells in the background.



(http://img258.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-22968/loc214/194624296_262_122_214lo.jpg)


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 14 February, 2012, 11:53:47 pm
Image is not showing, Joe.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2012, 11:55:51 pm
I gots no problem.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 15 February, 2012, 12:04:20 am
Whats the one where Dredd ends up defending that block full of Muties?
 It's relentless all the way.
 he just marches through it wastin every motherfucker who's attackin it.
Runnin out of rounds until he has to use daft stuff like 'incendries'.
 Then after it's over he gets on his bike with a smoldering half toppled block behind him and control patch through that some knob head has stuff himself into a garbage grinder.
And he just fucks off to deal with it.
Absolute class.

Mutopia or was that the hostage one. Hmm.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2012, 12:09:27 am
"Mutie Block" John Wagner.


"Mutopia" Al Ewing.


Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 15 February, 2012, 12:19:25 am
Thanks for that JOE :) I got the Mutie bit right !  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 15 February, 2012, 02:11:12 am
Looks like its doing the rounds again.

SCOJ0S MOVIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PtjafkaxM04)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 15 February, 2012, 02:14:40 am
Cant edit my posts! Sheesh

HE WHO WILL NOT BE NAMED - HIS MOVIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjafkaxM04&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 February, 2012, 02:19:39 am
Going back to an earlier discussion about how best to implement Judge Death in the grittier, more realistic version of Dredd 2012...

How about fusing the character with that of Cal?

An insane - possibly mutant with latent powers comaparable with Anderson's - head of the SJS, stages an internal coup within Justice Department and begins a policy of executing mass swathes of the population, gaining the nickname Death, while Dredd and Anderson lead a counter-insurgency...

As the baddies would be a twisted version of the SJS, these 'Dark Judges' would all have Judge Death-like skull insignia on their judge uniforms.


That would make a fantastic plot for a sequel. Most definitely; costume and scenery could be a little more elaborate to evoke the sense of doom and madness. It would contrast well with this first film whose emphasis seems to be on urban warfare.

Sounds completely wank.
Title: Re: Dredd (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 15 February, 2012, 04:36:55 am
I love the ECTB2000AD podcast review/dissection of the Stallone Dr