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Gonk

#435
Quote from: Dr. Dog on 10 February, 2012, 04:40:03 PM

Wonkychop, I thought you believed 70s long haired HM as a genre deserved mockery. Above is a quote from you from the DROKK thread:[/quote]


It wasn't a serious debate, just forum banter.  They deserve mockery when they take themselves too seriously and refer to themselves a gods and kings et.c.

I'll give you an example of rock pomposity : David Coverdale in an interview in Sounds "I'm a serious musician and I want the ladies to know there is not a theme park between my legs called manland."

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is bordering on progressive rock. Vol4 is more of a Sabbath sound to me. Don't get me wrong I love the Sabotage ?Technical Ecstasl era, some really interesting albums musically, definitely. If an alien from another planet wanted to know what HM I'd play Vol4 before the others. Or some Motorhead. Take your pick.
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Greg M.

#436
Heavy metal arrogance, whether tongue-in-cheek or delivered entirely without self-awareness (and the genre undoubtedly has leading lights in either camp and at every point along the spectrum) is all part of the fun. I bloody love it.

Back to Sabbath... I'll conceed that Vol. 4 contains the best song Sabbath ever wrote, in the form of 'Snowblind' (though on a different day, I'd probably nominate 'Spiral Architect' from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.)

Mudcrab

#437
Right on topic, I've been watching Metal Evolution on Sky Arts (originally a VH1 series) and just watched one all about the early British stuff, Purple (saw them in Glasgow recently, which made me feel super young, given the rest of the crowd), Sabbath, Rainbow, Priest etc. By all (their) accounts, Vol 4 was when they started experimenting, bringing keyboards in etc. It did get a bit proggy for want of a better word.

Awesome programme, looking forward to the Melvins interviews and stuff in the "grunge" episode.

Especially these days, metal is far too broad a spectrum to be labelled with anything but of course there's a camp element in it, it's a performance art after all. I've always been the type to prefer "underground" stuff, or a band's "older stuff" cos you know, it's more serious innit. Maybe that makes it more camp, who knows. More importantly, who cares? We love what we love. Once it gets more mainstream and more commercial you hear it more out of context i.e. not live, so it seems more ridiculous.

Compare Rainbow's Stargazer (all Dio's dragons and sorcery stuff) to Since you've been fucking gone *ugh*. Which is more silly? Depends on your point of view I guess but I certainly prefer Stargazer cos it's arsom, the latter being a kind of pop rock abortion. And so on, could witter about it for years, not just up to the early 80s.

Seems there's always been a trend for "early" great stuff to develop into more commercial, weaker music. Early heavy music making way to glam, early 80s new wave heavy metal to hair metal, grindcore making way to horrible metalcore these days. These days he says, grindcore being 25 years old now!

But back to Sabbath, I always tend to think of them in terms of Ozzy, cos it's the origins of doom/stoner stuff. Dio's Sabbath I like some of, totally forgot about the Gillan phase! Die Young, what a song!

"[Metal] It's not meant to be serious." - Buzz Osbourne (Melvins)

P.S. Greg (all comes back to Sabbath  :lol:), I would counter Snowblind with Sweet Leaf, depends on the night  :D
NEGOTIATION'S OVER!

Definitely Not Mister Pops

'If you're not into metal,
you are not my friend'

Metal Warriors- Manowar
You may quote me on that.

Greg M.

Quote from: Mudcrab on 10 February, 2012, 07:19:06 PM
Right on topic, I've been watching Metal Evolution on Sky Arts (originally a VH1 series) and just watched one all about the early British stuff, Purple (saw them in Glasgow recently, which made me feel super young, given the rest of the crowd)

I was there too: great stuff (not least Don Airey doing the 'I Belong To Glasgow' bit on the keyboard), though I wish they'd played something off 'Purpendicular', which, to these ears, is one of the greatest albums ever.

Quote from: Mudcrab on 10 February, 2012, 07:19:06 PM

P.S. Greg (all comes back to Sabbath  :lol:), I would counter Snowblind with Sweet Leaf, depends on the night  :D

Not just saying this 'cos you mentioned it, but Sweet Leaf would indeed have been the other song I'd have considered for the top spot.

Quote from: pops1983 on 10 February, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
'If you're not into metal,
you are not my friend'

Metal Warriors- Manowar

Listening to 'The Gods Made Heavy Metal' off 'Louder Than Hell' right now - earlier comments about deadpan metal egomania brought me straight back to Manowar.  :)

Mudcrab

#440
lol, good quote and Greg, sorry, Die Young is Dio of course, what am I thinking of? I dunno, don't know the album well  :-[

And yeah, Manowar lol, a real man's band!

Youtube frenzy time. Oh my, here's a reall WOMAN's band  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_lNRzDlgJ8&feature=related
NEGOTIATION'S OVER!

Greg M.

Y'know, 'Born Again' is the oddest and most fascinating Sabbath artefact of 'em all... the very concept (Ian Gillan fronting Sabbath) pretty much defies all reason, the cover's the most garish and foul of images, the actual sound quality is aggressively horrible - a big mad sonically congealed mess that pretty much perfectly fits the cover art - and the whole thing was universally panned at 'birth' by everyone who reviewed it and almost everyone who played on it. But by golly, I love it beyond all reason!

Mudcrab

Listening now, strange indeed. Loving Disturbing the Priest!

Also, with the most marvellous turn of synchronicity, just as I searched for "Born Again" on youtube, I got a text from a mate, new baby daughter just born  :D
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Gonk

You can keep Sweet Leaf and Snowblind, I'll have Fairies Wear Boots for top song about illicit substance abuse.
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Mudcrab

Not illicit at the time I don't think (just). Alan Grant could tell you about that  :D

Anyway, thanks to the youtube frenzy, here's a selection of bizarre Melvins stuff should you wish to enjoy...

Great song. Not camp at all remember  :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-nmcfiC3nM&feature=related

Not a song but  :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFn1UUI6bj8&feature=related

Incredible cover of Into the Void, would post Symptom of the Universe, but this "discovered" is more fucked up and sludged up (down)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m0QcEv2xwU

Newer song, in the recent (last 3 albums) 2 drummer phase (with Big Business)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLu2FAb7NY

A classic, the most metal song they've ever done I think...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAl3A2pYFhM&feature=related

As I've said on many occasions, fuckin' love the Melvins, best live band I've ever seen. Ally Pally gig with Slayer, Sleep etc will be about the 10th time I think.
NEGOTIATION'S OVER!

Definitely Not Mister Pops

So I'm watching  BBC4 (because I'm dead intellectual like that) and How the Brits Rocked America is on. I forgot how much I love this tune.
You may quote me on that.

bigjobs67

Just listened with fresh ears to 'Sams Town' by the Killers. It's proper good! All over the place!
'Overwhelming, I'm I not!

Mudcrab

Quote from: pops1983 on 10 February, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
So I'm watching  BBC4 (because I'm dead intellectual like that) and How the Brits Rocked America is on. I forgot how much I love this tune.

Good tune, always liked Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, from when I listened to my older bro's records back in the day to when he  returned and showed how much he inspired stuff like Nine Inch Nails and whatnot. Even that song the Sugababes did (don't laugh) mixed with Are Friends Electric gets me cos of the mad keyboards.

Heh, so back to metal, dearly hoping Yob play this at Ally Pally. It's the one I mentioned before, bit of Doctor Who bass (starts about a minute in), bit of Rush a la 2112 (the stop/start bit) and just everything that metal means to me, from Acid Rock to 70s heavy rock to Stoner Doom. I do believe it's about Siddhārtha Gautama Buddha (yeah I looked that full name up  :D) himself, the Quantum Mystic. Love it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUrxgvS8Is&feature=related 
NEGOTIATION'S OVER!

vzzbux

Looking back at some of the old Judas Priest vid's.
It's a palm to the forehead moment. followed by "Oh yeh, of course Rob Halford was gay, I see it now. How could I not have noticed".
He had a bit of a Freddy Mercury Marc Almond love child look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhY9GOhFwN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm6AGd3qE5U




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Drokking since 1972

Peace is a lie, there's only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.

Definitely Not Mister Pops

Quote from: Mudcrab on 10 February, 2012, 10:16:53 PM
Even that song the Sugababes did (don't laugh) mixed with Are Friends Electric gets me cos of the mad keyboards.


Not laughing mate, the rest of the Sugerbabes back catologue is banal drivel, but the convolution of Gary Numan with an obscure rapper produced an inspired piece of pop
You may quote me on that.