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Started by The Legendary Shark, 09 April, 2010, 03:59:03 PM

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Richmond Clements

QuoteNow, it may be nothing more sinister than a load of powerful people getting together for cocktails and nibbles, but with so many of our own elected representatives attending, including the last three prime ministers, isn't it reasonable to ask just what they're doing?

Indeed.
Whcih is still a world away from
QuoteBilderberg have allegedly greenlighted airstrikes on Iran.

My opinion: I think we give these groups too much in being paranoid about them. Governments are simplily not competent enough, and are to large to run any kind of worldwide Illuminati type deal.

The Legendary Shark

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 June, 2010, 01:12:09 PM
Governments are simplily not competent enough, and are to large to run any kind of worldwide Illuminati type deal.

Well they're doing a pretty good job on global warming, which is far more likely to be a result of the sun's magnetic field periodically letting in fewer or more cosmic ray particles as it progresses through its natural cycle than man made carbon dioxide. You can't tax sunlight, but you can tax emissions. (Nb, there's nothing wrong with cutting out pollutants, but carbon dioxide is vital - more carbon dioxide = more plants = greater crop yields, for example. Carbon dioxide makes up 0.038% of Earth's atmosphere, with man-made Co2 accounting for less than half of 1% of that figure. By far the biggest greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is water vapour.)

They're also doing a pretty good job of ignoring the vast benefits of social money (debt free money created by governments as opposed to debt-based money created by banks) as well. I won't bang on about this subject any more here as you all know how important I think it is to address this.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that a small group of people is controlling the entire world and everything that goes on in it, but I do buy a scenario where the same small group of people enjoy far too much influence over global policy for personal financial and political gain. One might say "it was ever thus," but that doesn't mean it's a state of affairs that should continue or even remain uninvestigated. If there's a 5% chance that this small group of people are fleecing the rest of us every chance they get, shouldn't it be investigated? If there was a 5% chance that the police thought any of us might be up to similar things on a smaller scale (bribing, bullying or making secret deals with local, community level parish or town councils), we'd be investigated in a shot.
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Richmond Clements

QuoteWell they're doing a pretty good job on global warming, which is far more likely to be a result of the sun's magnetic field periodically letting in fewer or more cosmic ray particles as it progresses through its natural cycle than man made carbon dioxide.

Okay, at with this breathtaking statement, I shall withdraw from the conversation.

The Legendary Shark

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Dandontdare

Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 06 June, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
For all you out there who don't believe the truth, here it is  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw26ihYzBgo

Vile and offensive. They murder aid workers and then put a "funny" spoof on you tube. Ha fucking ha. Maybe you'd find a joke song about dead squaddies in afghanistan equally amusing, as long as it was posted with a wink?

And Vzzbux, the boats did not enter israeli waters. The israelis have unilaterally imposed an illegal 25 mile blockade around the Gaza coast, but this attack took place well outside even that.


Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 07 June, 2010, 02:02:36 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1542332/Cosmic-rays-blamed-for-global-warming.html
Oh it's in a book published by a scientist. Must be true then. Shame how almost all the other scientists in the field disagree. Science isn't a democracy, but when the vast majority of experts (of which none of us are) agree on somethimg, I'm inclined to take their word for it, until someone actually comes up with some proof.

Richmond Clements

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 07 June, 2010, 02:02:36 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1542332/Cosmic-rays-blamed-for-global-warming.html

You're quoting an article in the Telegraph as evidence?
An article where a scientest- an expert in the field- says:
QuoteGiles Harrison, a cloud specialist at Reading University said that he had carried out research on cosmic rays and their effect on clouds, but believed the impact on climate is much smaller than Mr Svensmark claims.

Mr Harrison said: "I have been looking at cloud data going back 50 years over the UK and found there was a small relationship with cosmic rays. It looks like it creates some additional variability in a natural climate system but this is small."

http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/nope-cosmic-rays-still-not-driving-global-warming-continued/

The Legendary Shark

The point is, nobody understands what's really going on. Yes, it makes sense to act on what we know, but we need to expand what we know so we do the right thing and not just the profitable thing.

Just about the biggest thing in the solar system is the sun's magnetic field, which acts much like the Earth's magnetic field in keeping cosmic radiation at bay. This field fluctuates over time, letting in more or fewer cosmic rays as it does so. There is some evidence to show that other planets in the solar system are warming, too. Anyway, if you want to investigate this further, there's a Channel 4 documentary called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" that presents the non-anthropogenic side of the argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs&fmt=18

As for me, I simply don't know who's right, or indeed if anyone is. I just think that any reasonable possibilities must be investigated, and as the Sun is the hottest thing in the vicinity, to rule it out is folly.
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Peter Wolf

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Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 June, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
QuoteBilderberg have allegedly greenlighted airstrikes on Iran.

I don't even know where to start with this...

Ummm- evidence?
Also, why would an industrialists drinking club be bothered about such things?

I dont know where to start either since its such a big subject.

The same goes for Israel but its well worth pointing out that not every Israeli supports that kind of action by any means as there were mass peace protests inside Israel by Israelis but you dont dont get to hear about it because mainstream media censors it completely.The same goes for the Israelis or Jews/Orthodox Jews who do not supoort the actions of the Israeli govt in regard to the Palestinians.

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The CO2 tax scam is dead in the water.Almost...........

Back to Bilderberg:

They operate under Chatham House rules but for the first time this year the mainstream media in the UK are covering them including The Guardian [Charlie Skelton] amongst others instead of the usual media blackout and denial of their existence.I have been talking about them for years and i have looked into them so if anyone says i am paranoid or any of that kind of nonsense it matters not because i know i am right.

They are one of the main architects of Global Governance but they are beginning to realise that its a non starter because too many people like myself are onto them

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 June, 2010, 01:12:09 PM

Whcih is still a world away from
QuoteBilderberg have allegedly greenlighted airstrikes on Iran.

My opinion: I think we give these groups too much in being paranoid about them. Governments are simplily not competent enough, and are to large to run any kind of worldwide Illuminati type deal.

The information about airstrikes on Iran being greenlighted was the result of investigations by Jim Tucker who has been investigating their activities for 30 years +.The information was leaked to Jim Tucker who was in attendence of it this years event who has very credible and reliable sources.Its basically intelligence gathering and any intelligence is only good as its source but you appreciate that its the nature of intelligence to not have absolute 100 percent concrete evidence to back it up.

Your second comment : "My opinion: I think we etc etc....."

That believe it or not IS correct and is about the strength of it but i do disagree with you about the paranoia aspect because you can never be paarnoid or curious enough regarding their activities and when a subject stops being a Conspiracy Theory and becomes Conspiracy Fact then paranoia becomes reduntant.

The NWO/Global Governance project is dead on arrival and is a non starter as it simply cannot be done.Beraucracy on that kind of scale is never going to work because its fraught with difficulties and there are far too many variables.Look at what has happened with Greece which is throwing the whole EU/Euro project into complete dissaray.They are incapable of exercising control to that extent.When its game over for Bilderberg the dark suited corrupt control freaks will scatter and go into hiding.Its not a case of IF but WHEN.

The other main obstacle is that the Globalists/Bilderbergers/Trilateralists etc are actually in serious trouble because there is so much heat on them and awareness within the public at large of their activiities that they simply do not know what to do about it.They admit this themselves and very recently Zbiginiew Brerzinski who is THE top political advisor/Strategist of the Trilateral Commission said in a speech to a selection of Globalists at a Trilateral Commission conference in Ireland a month ago said : "For the first time in history we have a world population that is politically aware"

Too right.

:lol:

That will do for now.
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House of Usher

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 07 June, 2010, 02:48:42 PM
The point is, nobody understands what's really going on. Yes, it makes sense to act on what we know, but we need to expand what we know so we do the right thing and not just the profitable thing.

Hmm. 'The profitable thing' is not to go dampening people's consumption of fuel, automobiles, air conditioning and consumer goods through environmental taxes. If it were, George W. Bush would have been all for it instead of trying to block carbondioxide reduction targets at every turn. For years the 'do nothing' approach has been advocated by business interests that would be harmed by people buying, using and wasting less. Whatever motives there are for tackling global warming, profitability isn't right there at the top of the list (and by 'tackling' I of course mean using a sieve to bail out a leaking boat).
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Richmond Clements

QuoteAnyway, if you want to investigate this further, there's a Channel 4 documentary called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" that presents the non-anthropogenic side of the argument:

Now I know you must be taking the piss! No one could seriously be still quoting this programme as evidence!

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/

The Legendary Shark

Carbon tax. Very profitable.

Nobody mentioned evidence, just the "non-anthropogenic side of the argument."

The "truth," I'd venture to suggest, is probably rather more complicated than either side yet understands. Both camps tend towards zealotry in their arguments, which is not very scientific but very, very human. If you tried to pin me down, I'd lean towards the non-anthropogenic camp but with the belief that it's probably just as well that we stop pumping dangerous pollutants into the environment just as a matter of respect for the planet and its inhabitants.

On the plus side, nobody's arguing against the desirability of debt-free money any more, so I must be winning that one!

I love this thread!
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House of Usher

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 07 June, 2010, 03:21:13 PM
Carbon tax. Very profitable.

This is usually the bit where the safety curtain comes down and the stage manager comes out front and anxiously asks the audience "is there an economist in the house?"
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Peter Wolf

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I am staying out of the debate about Climate Change because i will just repeat what i have said before but what i will say is the subject should NEVER have been hijacked by political/business/financial/social engineering interests in the first place.

If those factors were ruled out of the equation right from the start and there was clear and open and unbiased scientific debate and research on the subject we would already be a LOT closer to the solution/s than we are now because we are really no nearer to finding solutions than we were 10years ago when there was NO action and NO debate on the subject.

Whats more its the same interests that are trying to reduce atmospheric CO2 while at the same time dumping unknown quantities of Aluminium and Barium and god knows what else into the atmosphere on a daily basis as part of a Geo-Engineering project which has been disclosed as a way of controlling climate change.It really makes sense to exasapate what might well be a natural phenomena by conducting experiments with the atmosphere with unknown consequences.

Yes that really makes sense.

Anyway it should be prefectly obvious to anyone that politicians and big business are not capable of solving enviromental problems as is clearly evidenced by the Gulf Of Mexico oil leak debacle.

What is it now 40 + days + with no stoppage and NO solutions except for BP releasing 1 million gallons + of the Neurotoxin Pesticide/Dispersant Corexit into the sea with unknown consequences beyond certain death for the immediate ecosystem.
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Old Tankie

Why don't the Aid charities take their aid into Gaza through the Egyptian crossing points at Kerem Shalom and Rafah?  Oh! silly me!  Of course........the Egyptians have closed these crossing points.  Funny how this action doesn't seem to make the headlines!!  I wonder why?!!!  ;)

COMMANDO FORCES

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Quote from: Dandontdare on 07 June, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Vile and offensive. They murder aid workers and then put a "funny" spoof on you tube. Ha fucking ha. Maybe you'd find a joke song about dead squaddies in afghanistan equally amusing, as long as it was posted with a wink?

I would laugh at a funny spoof and crap song about dead squaddies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Falklands, Northern Ireland, in fact anywhere.
Most squaddies would be the same, in fact we love anti war songs and films as well.
I find it very strange that the footage that you watched of 'peace activitsts' attacking a boarding party with metal bars, knives and sidearms is overlooked as you believe that the 'peace activists' did nothing wrong.

At a guess, I am probably the only forum member who was part of a Maritime Counter terrorism unit who has actually boarded ships and oil rigs. So because of this I probably know what type of mission objectives were issued. At an informed guess, I would say they were on a mission to just board the ship and search it for banned items (I hope you will agree with that DDD).
Now when doing this, all personnel will be heavily armed as they are the 'military' and you have to be ready for a contact situation, if the situation arises.

Obviously when I went onto a ship a few extra things happened before the teams fastroped onto the target. The Israeli commandos did not do any of these, as the situation did not warrant it. Once on it seems (as I am looking at the footage, I don't know what footage you have seen but it's obviously different) as if a certain amount of 'peace activists' decided to try and kill the commandos by using the weapons mentioned earlier.
Now this is when the mission objective would change, the commandos would try to secure a safe RV area and defend it until more troops arrive or the situation was under control, whichever came first.
Let me tell all you peace lovers out there, what would you do if a group of 'peace activists' came at you with weapons and tried to kill you by throwing you over the side of the ship. I bet you wouldn't have let them batter you to death as is the pack mentality, which is what I saw on those videos.
A double tap to the closest threat might stop the rest continuing their attack, who knows. All this aiming to wound in a hot zone is a load of old bollocks by the way!

It's strange how the next ship just let the commandos on board and let the search go ahead. Perhaps there were no activists on board.

Now I know there are two sides to every story, something which many people seem to 'always' forget but I would not take the word of any 'peace activist' from that ship as, let me think, what are they bound to say. At the moment I will go with the video footage that my eyes have seen.
As for collecting mobiles and camera's and such items, I presume this might be because the footage would show the commandos running amok and killing people willy nilly. It would have nothing to do with SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures).

Do you honestly think that the commandos mission was to board that ship and kill people, if you do think that then god help us all. Next you'll be saying that New Labour did an excellent job in government, leaving the country facing economic ruin.

By the way here's a wink for you  ;)