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Started by Goaty, 06 September, 2011, 11:51:16 PM

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Goaty



CHILL OUT everyone, I am for one, that would really looking forward to this release of new Dredd, I like everything about that! Like that Judge uniforms, helmet, Karl Urban, looks of the film, with its photos.

Just simple ignore those rumours, and counts the days/weeks/months till the film came out!

Gonk

Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 02 February, 2012, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: wonkychop on 02 February, 2012, 03:35:43 PM
Yes radiator, the medium of film is completely different to the comic.  A huge star like Urban is going to raise Dredd's profile and if this means deviating from the comic version Dredd in order to reach a wider audience, it's all for the good and I'm willing to swallow it. It's just that Stallone's Dredd tried this and went too far.

So in the span of two posts you went from vehemently opposing my view to accepting it after Radiator agrees?  ::)

I'm happy Dredd is keeping the helmet on. But if it were a brilliant film from top to bottom, well-written and well-acted...but Dredd takes his helmet off, I can ignore that and I'm happy. Seems you're on that wagon, too, now that someone else is on board.  :D


I'm not vehemently opposed to anyone's views, that's why I can see both sides of the argument. In translating a comic strip to film there are bound to be changes from the original story. The comic is aimed at a very specific group, the film a much, much, wider audience. Not everyone "gets" the thing about Dredd's helmet. It's inevitable that a director or actor isn't going to be too happy with the lead role having his face obscured throughout the film. For the sake of cinema I'm prepared to swallow some alterations to the Dredd theme, like any rational adult would. My point is if this goes too far as in the last Dredd film, then what is left is a pastiche superhero film.
coming at a cinema near you soon

JOE SOAP

Quote from: wonkychop on 02 February, 2012, 08:43:01 PM
It depends on your criteria for judging I suppose, this is a Hollywood film we're talking about with millions to spend on promotion, and not some unknown film company with jack shit to promote their film.  One thing is for sure, it won't be anything like the last, so that is a reason for us to be cheerful.


It's not a Hollywood film, it's an indie with an average budget.

Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty)

Quote from: Bat King on 02 February, 2012, 08:47:56 PM
Crickey.  Forum seems to be going into overdrive with panic and counter panic... (OK I'm exagerating some of you are not panicking so much)

I'm quite glad we haven't been flooded in hype like we were with the Stallone debacle.

That said, I'd like a few more teasers, but no spoilers.
Im not panicking so much with John Wagner giving a thumbs up and Carlos Ezquerra being involved Im confodent its going to be a decent film.
Too much over analysing methinks.
Never rub another mans rhubarb

NSFTM

Well it must be true.. someone on a forum on some site knows someone who talked to someone on another site about a.rumour that something may have been Changed.

Another reason why the lack of news about the film is dangerous..people fill the silence with half truths, rumour and speculation.  and before you know it what was rumour becomes the perceived truth
It Could Be That The Sole Purpose Of Your Life Is To Serve As A Warning To Others

NSFTM

Quote from: NSFTM on 02 February, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Well it must be true.. someone on a forum on some site knows someone who talked to someone on another site about a.rumour that something may have been Changed.

Another reason why the lack of news about the film is dangerous..people fill the silence with half truths, rumour and speculation.  and before you know it what was rumour becomes the perceived truth
j

Sorry came across all yoda towards the end
It Could Be That The Sole Purpose Of Your Life Is To Serve As A Warning To Others

Beaky Smoochies

Ever'yone needs to cool it a little with this so-called 'revelation' about Dredd's alleged behind-the-scenes shenanigans - alleged being the operative word here - I agree with NSTFM, that whole "I know something because someone who knows someone who..." is par the course on the interweb, and I would take it not so much with a pinch of salt, but a veritable pillar of salt... nothing's proven until it's proven, period!

If, however, it turns out to be canon, then it is what it is, and nothing we can do about it, let's just hope we get an unrated 'director's cut' version on the home release... hold on a minute- behind the scenes disagreements, reshoots of footage, mandated cuts to tone down excessive violence, hopes of a 'director's cut' home release, haven't we been here before, it all sounds awfully familiar :-X...?
"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people there is LIBERTY!" - Thomas Jefferson.

"That government is best which governs least" - Thomas Jefferson.

Beaky Smoochies

Upon further consideration on this subject, this might be (if true, that is) about the U.S. rating for Dredd rather than general concern over the ultra-violence in the actual film, the same thing happened with RoboCop in 1987, when the MPAA threatened that film with the dreaded NC-17 rating (putting it on a par with hardcore porn, and meaning they couldn't advertise) unless Paul Verhoeven cut the extreme violence back, he cut a few shots and got the R-rating they wanted, the same thing may apply to Dredd, with the DNA Films upper echelons' worried about the MPAA and how they would rate the movie, possibly leading them to re-shoot individual shots to just trim down the extreme violence a tad, the film won't be any less, just a few frames less gorier than originally shot, of course, I may be wrong about all this, but it was just an afterthought after I posted the above...
"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people there is LIBERTY!" - Thomas Jefferson.

"That government is best which governs least" - Thomas Jefferson.

Gonk

Quote from: NSFTM on 02 February, 2012, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: NSFTM on 02 February, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Well it must be true.. someone on a forum on some site knows someone who talked to someone on another site about a.rumour that something may have been Changed.

Another reason why the lack of news about the film is dangerous..people fill the silence with half truths, rumour and speculation.  and before you know it what was rumour becomes the perceived truth
j

Sorry came across all yoda towards the end

What? You went over my helmet.




...start worrying, this guy's been seen wandering around on set of the new Dredd flick.
coming at a cinema near you soon

IndigoPrime

One thing that's probably worth noting if this rumour of a rumour has any hint of truth at its foundation: cuts don't mean entire scenes; often, violent movies can appease ratings bodies by cutting seconds or even fractions of seconds from certain shots.

As for a lack of news, I'll be worried if the situation's the same in, say, August (it won't be), but for the level of film Dredd is, the amount of stuff we've seen to date seems about right. This is, in the scheme of modern films, a low-budget effort. It's not Spider-Man and it's not Iron Man. Dredd won't have the marketing budget for a huge and extended campaign, and so I suspect we'll see a few more dribs and drabs before things ramp up in the few months before the release date.

radiator

In a way, there's something a little reassuring about the rumours, as they seem to suggest the reason for the behind the scenes troubles and reshoots were down to studio pressure regarding the violence/tone in the film, rather than concerns about overall quality or lack thereof.

Steve Green

If this is the case, I think it's more like the Robocop situation where the only 2 scenes which really got cut back were Murphy's death, which was pretty sustained in the unrated one - and Kinney's death by ED-209, which became almost comical in the extended cut.

Compare that to Eraser which got very heavily edited, almost to the level of an airline version.

If it's the former, I don't think it will hurt the film that much...

A lot of 'ifs' though

radiator

Everything I've heard about the film so far is that it's extremely intense and high octane from the word go.

If that's the case, and the problem is with the overall intensity, then yeah, there might be a problem.

If it were just the one or two problematic scenes, I doubt that would be a problem at all.

Didn't MichaelVK say something about DREDD having some firsts in terms of movie gore? Sounds like it could be quite spectacular - really, really hoping we get a directors cut Blu Ray if this all palaver turns out to have some basis in truth.

Teivion

With regards to ratings, advertising budgets etc etc, you can have a look at lots of stats etc here:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/filmtvinfo/stats/BFI-Statistical-Yearbook-2011.pdf

Page 29 onwards being the most relevant.

Pretty interesting to reflect on in relation to the talk on here about Dredd's budget, ratings, advertising spend, distribution etc etc
( sorry but my brain is unwilling to put the comments together with stats to make a summary. Lunch breaks are too short for such concentration !)




Fuzzed

I don't want gore. I'd like a Dredd that can handle combat with the minimum of fuss and max effect, and if that means blood spurting, fine, but I'm actually after great technique. If they want guts floating towards the screen cut out, they'll get no complaints from me.

It's Feb and I'm actually at the stage now where I'm all zen about it all. I really don't think there is anything to worry about re Dredd. Not anymore anyway. Whatever the holdup was, it all seems to be sorted. Some posts back, there was an estimate for a trailer around March (Joe Soap's estimate, I think) and I'm happily, and calmly, waiting for that to happen.

Besides, been rewatching a lot of the Garland works, and he can tell a good story, and I love me a good story. I can take a helluva lot of probs elsewhere if the story sucks me in.