Main Menu

The Great Unreprinted list

Started by AlexF, 10 August, 2016, 08:41:36 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

AlexF

There are various threads on here asking for stuff to get reprinted in collected editions, or Megazine floppies at the very list, but I don't know if there's a definitive list of all the strips that haven't been given this treatment. Anyway, I couldn't resist having a go. Hope this is the right place to post it!
It's a long list, but really not as long as you might think.

AlexF

2000AD -what hasn't been reprinted (yet), in loose chronological order...

MACH One – most but not all stories were reprinted across Extreme Editions 6 and 9
MACH Zero – not reprinted in anything like an easy-to-find volume
Supercovers / Future Shocks (a covers collection generally might be fun one day; at this point most Future Shocks have been reprinted; the ones that haven't are probably really not good, as was often the case in the very early days)

-going a little off-piste:
Mind Wars – technically a Starlord series
Holocaust – also a Starlord series
Timequake – originally a Starlord series, but with one brief outing in 2000AD
Angry Planet – technically a Tornado series; Hebden/Belardinelli is not to be sniffed at!
The Mind of Wolfie Smith – began in Tornado, but had two long-running series in 2000AD
Captain Klep – likewise; the Kevin O'Neill stuff from Tornado is pretty decent
Storm / the Lawless Touch / Victor Drago – all Tornado only
(Given that Ro-Busters + Strontium Dog cover StarLord, and Blackhawk includes the full Tornado run, this is all possible in theory at least)

Tharg the Mighty
– a fair chunk of the early outings for Tharg were actually in Best of Monthly 63, but there are plenty of others. The most famous / notorious would be the episodes from Prog 500 and 1280, I guess.
The Helltrekkers – was reprinted across 6 issues of the Megazine, which is admittedly better than 29 Progs, but not exactly a collected edition. On the other hadn, it's not very good, is it?

Universal Soldier
– the first series is reprinted in 'Tharg presents Sci Fi thrillers', but
two follow-up series have never been reprinted. This may be because a) Writer Alan McKenzie won't give permission for Book II, and definitely b) because he himself didn't have permission to use an old IPC character, Kelly, who features prominently in Book III! -see also Kelly's Eye, another never-reprinted series.

Most of McKenzie's other work for the Prog has also never been reprinted, because he claims copyright on his characters.

Bradley – has had a handful of stories reprinted in Best 105 and Classic 2000AD 2.
Luke Kirby – Summer Magic (unquestionably the best) was reprinted in full in Best 111, but that's it.
Moonrunners, Brigand Doom, Mean Arena (the McKenzie/Williams version) and RAM Raiders have never been reprinted.

Similarly, writer Hilary Robinson also owns copyright on her characters
-   so no easy reprints of Medivac 318 (which is an odd case anyway as it features continuing stories set in a world she had already created in a bunch of short prose stories); no Zippy Couriers; no Chronos Carnival.
-   her work on Tales from the Doghouse, which is charming, has been reprinted in Megazine floppies.

Tyranny Rex – has been reprinted almost in its entirety, but not in an especially convenient way. Stories from the Progs appear in Extreme Edition 21, and Megazine floppies 366, 367 and 368. None of the stories from annuals/specials (including the one that explains why she's suddenly a nun) have been reprinted.

Bix Barton – first two outings were reprinted in Extreme Edition 5, but plenty of stories left
Armoured Gideon – book 1 has been reprinted twice (Best of 115 and EE23); so far none of the rest
Below Zero – the last of a trilogy starring Tanner; I hold out hope this'll appear in a floppy, although it's annoyingly just too long to fit in a single issue.
Dry Run
Harlem Heroes – the solo Slice and Silver outings, plus the second series, haven't been reprinted. Can't see it happening in a hurry, either!
Rogue Trooper Fr1day-style. 'The War Machine' has been reprinted a bunch of times. It's great. Virtually none of the follow-up series, which ran intermittently from Progs 712-1012, and were mostly a bit rubbish, have been re-run. (There's some great art from Henry Flint and Greg Staples in there, mind)
Junker
Tao de Moto
RoboHunter
– rightly enough, none of the Mark Millar serials have been reprinted. (All the Peter Hogan/Rian Hughes ones are in the Complete Droid Files, although the repro quality isn't the best. Could do with a colour version!)
Dead Meat
Trash
The Clown
– book 1 was reprinted in 2 two chunks (most annoying!) in Classic 2000AD 10 and 11; book 2 never
Skizz – book II, which I really enjoyed, was reprinted ages ago by Hamlyn. It's surely overdue to reprinted in a collection with the much-beloved original. Book III has some good ideas in it, mixed in with some dreck. But it's not so bad it'd devalue a complete collection?
Kola Kommandoes
Wire Heads
and ParaSites (which isn't actually a sequel, although it does take place in the same basic world. Please don't reprint these, Tharg...)
Timehouse (criminally underrated fun)
Big Dave
Maniac 5 x2
Dynosty
Soul Gun Warrior x2
The Grudge Father x2
Mambo x3
Strontium Dogs
– the Ennis stuff has been reprinted in Meg floppies (295, 305, 306), and some of the Hogan stuff (Meg 320); I guess the rest may follow one day?
Urban Strike!
Vector 13
(I guess a whole collection might be a bit much but there's gold in there.)
Darkness Visible
Outlaw
Witchworld
(which didn't even finish in the Progs, let alone get a reprint)
I was a Teenage Tax Consultant (not nearly as fun as it sounds, sadly)
The Spice Girls / BLAIR 1 / A Life Less Ordinary (just... no)
Sancho Panzer
Badlands
Red Fang
Vanguard
Roadkill
(This may have been in the back of a floppy...)
Satanus unchained!
Dead Men Walking
The Scrap
The 86ers
RoboHunter
– the Samantha Slade years
Dead Signal
London Falling
Stalag 666
Necrophim
Damnation Station


Probably a bit soon for this lot:
Grey Area
Ulysses Sweet
- Grant Morrison's original short stories were reprinted in EE28 and in a Future Shocks collection; Guy Adams's follow ups haven't been reprinted, but should be!
Outlier
Black Shuck
The Order
Orlok the Assassin
Helium
Deadworld
The Alienist
Survival Geeks
Brink


Then there are some collections that never quite happened, sadly. I guess a floppy might have to suffice?
VCs – Abnett & Williams' final book
Lobster Random – the last story in the Prog hasn't been reprinted, and in fact the series itself is kind of crying out for a final story. (see also Caballistics, Inc)
Atavar – books 1 and 2 were bound together, but not book 3.
Various missing episodes of Sinister Dexter, and a whole bunch of newer stuff, most especially including 'and no dumb minions' and Malone.

Some newer stuff has been American-comic-ified, but I don't know if that counts as a reprint collection:
Zaucer of Zilk
Aquila
Jaegir


and then there's the stuff that is hopefully on the reprint slate:
Judge Dredd Case Files forever and ever amen
Volume 3 for Defoe, Kingdom, Stickleback, Savage
Volume 2 for Ampney Crucis (and another, potentially concluding series, too?)
Another lovely hardback to continue Brass Sun

And then there's the Megazine, which doesn't have much greatness left to reproduce:
Straightjacket Fits
Soul Sisters
Pan-African Judges
Pandora
Cabal
Judge Hershey
The Creep
Young Middenface
(not to mention grown-up Middenface...)
Strange Cases / Tales from the Black Museum
Blood of Satanus
(a series ripe for reappraisal, but I might be in a minority there)
Tempest (best of this bunch by some margin)
Complete Johnny Woo
Black Atlantic
Citi-Def
Samizdat Squad

-and obviously Lawless can't get a trade soon enough!


What did I miss / get wrong?

Albion

Mother Earth
Kid Cyborg

Have they been reprinted?
Having read them recently I'm not sure many would want them to be.  :-\

Also the Steve White and Dan Abnett Flesh series from the 90's?
Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side.

Jim_Campbell

Quote from: Albion on 10 August, 2016, 08:56:41 AM
Also the Steve White and Dan Abnett Flesh series from the 90's?

Didn't Pat have a minor strop about that one?

Great idea for a discussion, BTW, Alex!
Stupidly Busy Letterer: Samples. | Blog
Less-Awesome-Artist: Scribbles.

Albion

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 August, 2016, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: Albion on 10 August, 2016, 08:56:41 AM
Also the Steve White and Dan Abnett Flesh series from the 90's?
Didn't Pat have a minor strop about that one?

I'd be surprised if he hadn't. I've just read it on my Prog Slog. I'd completely forgotten about it.
Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side.

I, Cosh

Excellent work. Time to pick some holes in it!

Fairly certain Red Fang was reprinted in a Meg floppy recently.

Think there's a difference in status between the strips which crossed over into 2000AD from Starlord, etc as compared with those which concluded.

The first volume of Medivac 318 will be reprinted in Meg 377.

In that last thread, somebody said that Wolfie Smith had been reprinted in one of the more obscure Quality reprints. I can't confirm but I'd be very surprised if it was more than one of the stories.

A fair smattering of Vector 13 stories have also made their way into the Meg reprints too, but by no means all.
We never really die.

matty_ae

Looking at that well compiled list you can see why a Rebellion have reprinted Monster from Eagle.
I'd rather see Thirteenth Floor, Doomlord and Pat Mills Dan Dare reprinted in their entirety over all of that work.

Magnetica

I'm pretty sure it has been mentioned before that Rebellion don't (necessarily) hold the rights to any Starlord or Tornado strip that didn't carry on into 2000AD.

Re having a colour edition of Robo Hunter, if memory serves most of it was in black and white anyway, apart from possibly the Mark Millar era stuff and certainly the later Samantha Slade stuff for which there are already floppies (not sure if complete though).

I, Cosh

Quote from: The Cosh on 10 August, 2016, 09:08:11 AM
Fairly certain Red Fang was reprinted in a Meg floppy recently.
Meg 356 if anyone's keeping score.

Also, all of The 86ers was reprinted in this GN.

Quote from: AlexF on 10 August, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
Then there are some collections that never quite happened, sadly. I guess a floppy might have to suffice?
Lobster Randomthe last story in the Prog hasn't been reprinted, and in fact the series itself is kind of crying out for a final story. (see also Caballistics, Inc)[/b]
Meg 362/363.
We never really die.

Frank

Quote from: AlexF on 10 August, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
The Helltrekkers ... it's not very good, is it?

There's a pattern to that list. I had no idea Medicav 318 was due to be reprinted - interesting to see how that one plays out legally, but it belongs with the rest of the stuff on that list.

You know when new members post on the Welcome thread, they'll go through the three act structure of HOW I DISCOVERED THE PROG - WHY I STOPPED BUYING THE PROG - HOW I REDISCOVERED THE PROG. That reads like a list of all the stories folk mention in Act Two.



AlexF

Flesh: Chronocide (which I kinda like) was reprinted with the floppy in Meg 312. Is it also in the Dino Files? Which I assume also cover the more recent stuff by James McKay, too, but I could be wrong!

Good to know that the 86ers got their due. The Rogue Case Files also did the Hitman stories, didn't they?

I'm also hoping/assuming that a lot of this list will be covered by the next year's worth of Meg floppies. Well, except for the ones that aren't good, which is apparently an objective measure!

This might be a dangerous question to ask, but does anyone know if creators get the same sort of royalties (if any) from floppies and from 'proper' collections?

I, Cosh

Quote from: AlexF on 10 August, 2016, 10:20:11 AM
Good to know that the 86ers got their due. The Rogue Case Files also did the Hitman stories, didn't they?
Yes.
We never really die.

Frank

Quote from: AlexF on 10 August, 2016, 10:20:11 AM
does anyone know if creators get the same sort of royalties (if any) from floppies and from 'proper' collections?

From memory, the deal negotiated in the late eighties meant Fleetway/Egmont had serialisation and first reprint rights. I think it was only when the story was reprinted again, or collected in a TPB that creators were due royalties.

That was obviously intended to preserve Best Of 2000ad Monthly as a pure profit venture, but maybe it explains why those terrible US reprint (2nd reprint) titles suddenly disappeared.

The current owners would have inherited those arrangements from Egmont; I've never heard if Rebellion renegotiated those contracts, either with individual creators or across the board.



GordonR

Of my stuff alone, The 86ers, Aquila and Jaegir have all been collected (the latter two very recently) so I'm assuming there must be a few other things on that list that probably don't quite belong there.

GordonR

Quote from: Butch on 10 August, 2016, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 10 August, 2016, 10:20:11 AM
does anyone know if creators get the same sort of royalties (if any) from floppies and from 'proper' collections?

From memory, the deal negotiated in the late eighties meant Fleetway/Egmont had serialisation and first reprint rights. I think it was only when the story was reprinted again, or collected in a TPB that creators were due royalties.

That was obviously intended to preserve Best Of 2000ad Monthly as a pure profit venture, but maybe it explains why those terrible US reprint (2nd reprint) titles suddenly disappeared.

The current owners would have inherited those arrangements from Egmont; I've never heard if Rebellion renegotiated those contracts, either with individual creators or across the board.

No, no, no, no.

Amazingly, things have changed since these precious nuggets of more than a quarter century-old information that you hold onto so tightly.

Royalties/reprint rates are paid on all work collected or reprinted, at the same rates across the board.  This has been the case for as long as I've been working on the titles....so at least twenty three years, then.